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US - China Cold war begins, Will India join?

This discussion is interesting, and any "War" will be lukewarm, and more related to competition over resources, trade and influence toward such.
A Number of Points:
1. Weakness of Global Economy
2. Need for China to Alter its development model (far too dependent upon the demand of others; grave weakness not strength; and no India and Pakistan don’t get all neo-colonial, neo-imperialist on me, a necessary evolution for China, as other evolutions required for SA; even SEA)
3. Weakness at present in Developed World Economies; likely evolutions of inverse relationship to China’s needs from the past through present, rather than power into the future
4. India; needing to Break License Raj(as Pakistan, other SA countries), graft and corruption to move toward economic and development potentials
5. US Dollar is not a benefit to the US people or the US economy, but necessary for the development of the global peoples (despite much delusional banter to the contrary); a benefit that could be withdrawn were it to be required
6. Chinese Reserves is Not a Weakness for the US; it is the asset side of the Chinese Banking Systems Balance Sheet, against which debt has been issued, money growth has been encouraged (printing money), and savings and assets in the Chinese Economy have been enabled
Now for the real deal
1. Plethora of Development Partners on Global Scene
2. Great Regional Competition for Resources (NEA, SEA, and SA)
3. Issues related to Population India (400 Million over next several decades); otherwise in SA and Africa
4. Issues Related to Competition for Economic Development
5. Likely Evolution of Development in MENA due to recent uprisings (Yes, they and Africa and LA would like to manufacture; not simply consume and send natural resources; in a rather more real colonial manifestation than the fictions that abound otherwise)
6. Issues related to Water, Arable Land, Human Resource Development, Etc…associated with the next point
7. Human population; growth unabated in Asia and, likely at unfortunate levels in Africa limiting potential, slowing pace of development
8. Strength in Markets, in demand; correspondent weakness where lacking in evolutions to enable it; not simply production, but domestic consumption, and services will be the real issue in the coming economic era’s, it has to because of continued population growth and a plethora of development partners; otherwise reversions anti-thetical to many necessary foundations upon which some regions stability will depend; especially those with large populations.

So recent evolutions (recent being a couple of decades)
1. Growth In Energy Usage (likely future evolution)
2. Growth in Competition for Energy Resources (SEA, Africa, LA, NA, MENA, and Arctic)
3. Urbanization: Lessening Arable Land; people build on Flatlands, on Former farmlands
4. Growth in Need for Arable Land (China 2 Million Hectares being farmed abroad); India only producing 60% of its pulses, and likely need of similar
5. Water; Mekong: Energy, Livelihoods (36 Million People; most relying on it for Fish and Rice); Dams Upriver for Energy into Laos, Cambodia, Thailand, and SW China
6. Water: Himalayas; Similar Potential For Disruption; Water 3000Km to Beijing; and Regional Energy
7. Competition for Markets; Similar Levels of Development, Similar Comparative Advantages, Simples Types of Products
8. Increase in Tensions and Competitions for Resources across the Important SEA region (South China or East Sea, Myanamar)
9. Increase in Competition for Resources (India and China in Asia; Africa, LA, NA, and elsewhere)
10. Human Capital Development: Need for Increase in Quantity and Quality than time for the maturation of such to influence the practices for the alteration of systems; think generations not a single lifespan.

Ok, so, National Ego’s, Real and Lasting divergent strategic needs and perspectives, real and divergent variance in interests, and need for alteration to global economic development models.

So, yes, we are in an era of instability, and uncertainty, with growing regional capabilities and interests in Asia. But, this is an Asian issue. Pandering to notions of yesteryears, ancient dynasties, seeming insults, is but an indication of little maturity in these matters. One would hope, but for pandering to their populaces, which is very dangerous in such an environment, that your leader’s perspectives would be very different than those posted on boards such as these.
Will there be a military build-up, likely and for very good reasons.
(String of Pearls, Chinese need for resources in juxtaposition to India’s, and South East Asia’s, as well as traditional players in such markets, where large swathes of traditional players needs have been met).
Movement of China to claim historical legacies (myths) and the natural posturing and actions of others in response. (South China Sea – East Sea): maturity and joint development; heavy-handedness on China’s part will not work; will only eventuate in the case of China’s need to divert from domestic economic troubles and/or resource deficiencies, and will lead to very real counter-reactions; like military build-ups elsewhere. But moving its power closer to the Middle East and East Africa seems to have already set the course with ASEAN in the middle, and some shifting alliances resultant. This should settle as ASEAN realizes the need for unity in these matters; as toward common market for investment and trade, and for longer-term resource needs. The opening of Myanmar will create both opportunities and competition inter-regionally that could be beneficial toward such.

But the Question as to US-China Cold War is a Red-Herring. The countries, and one would hope their leaders, in the region, should not be seen as squabbling little children on the playground, choosing which team to play for, and whom to be against (in such terms as likely they will occur on other terms). There are real and existent threats that come from the similar nature of challenges and weaknesses in the region, experienced by countries in the region.

As usual, the US is a balancer in these matters, and will most likely be important toward such.

Things would be very interesting were it not to be however. (consider that for a moment; a possibility? Perhaps a better forum topic.)


I am sure there are levels of maturity in the leadership of your countries toward realizing such; if not at the grassroots level.

The interests of Russia in these matters is interesting. As so much of its foreign policy is based around the control of natural resources (while so much of it in its landmass is inaccessible and will remain such for many decades). Truly, an interesting next several decades.
 
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It is in India's interests to align with US. Here is why.

1. U.S in the recent times have proved how it can be a powerful ally especially by bringing India out of nuclear isolation. It is in India's interest to take advantage of a powerful ally in U.S for other global issues as well.
2. NAM was useless as was seen during the 1962 war when the countries in NAM gave a lip service and was "non-aligned" - true to the name.Even in 1965, NAM provided little support to India.
2. 1965 war was stalemate as we never had the support of super power.
3. 1971 - India gave a decisive blow to Pakistan as India had signed a treaty with USSR few months before the war. If not, USSR would have kept quiet and India would have called for a cease fire fearing the US carrier group near India. In short, India was decisive in war only after it aligned with a super power.
4. Imagine a quick strike by China - Is India ready now to push back Chinese troops as India does not have the firepower in the Indo-China border. If India is aligned with US, there is an assured weapons support as seen during the 1962 war though it was late.
5. Pakistan will be China's ally going forward and if there is an Indo-Pakistan conventional war, India need to be cognizant of China opening another front. If U.S is an ally, China will think twice about opening another front.
6. The reason for 5 holds good for Chinese aggression as well.(with no Pakistan participation).
7. Alignment with US is for economy reasons as well. SCO or ASEAN+3 will be dominated by China and many a time, it may not be in the best interests of India. Whereas TPP is an anti-Chinese trade group which is fostered by US. Japan may join in future. Likewise Korea will join TPP in future. It is in India's interests to join any of these trade groups and what best than TPP.


Anyone thinking that Russia will be a long term partner of India based on previous experience, Russia is going to be a partner of China to offset US/western influence. In future, Russia may not standby India.

agreed but we must not be overdependent on US

while being US ally means getting high tech weapons,remember we wont sign CISOMA and hence wont get best US weapons

we should keep increasing our economic and military might so one day we can handle china-alone

being ally with US may be good from economic POV this alliance must not come at the cost of friendship with Russia

we cant be dependent on US for help in war against china(if occurs),we must be ready to fight and win on our own
 
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no we are happy to become a regional player we dont want to become a global power,,,,,,,
 
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