US censures China for passing law against foreign NGOs

[sweetgrape]

dude, I did not address my original post to you, nor did I mentioned you in any tag, that means the only way you read my post is that you actively read my post. That already a sign.

Then after you read my post for whatever reason, maybe you are bored, maybe you are just doing it random, I will give you that, but to say you kill time to reply my post, and nothing else? dude, are you a professional post answerer? Otherwise, what you said does not make sense. Cos you don't kill time with answering stuff that you don't know, nor addressed to you. I did not ask you to reply my post, so you have to have a reason to do so if you answered it.

and then after you have answered it, you said you don't care about what I say? Either you are a troll who go on random reply to kill time, or you care, so, I am afraid you have to pick your poison.

You also can think I care, whatever you like, hehe.

 

[jhungary]

You also can think I care, whatever you like, hehe.

Well, anyway, what you said made as much sense as Arnie in this video...

Gotta take my advice and stop here

 

[xunzi]

The US funding NGOs is nothing new. We should have taking precaution way earlier. What we did now is kind of late but better late than be sorry.

 

[jhungary]

While it is possible for the CIA to sneak a few people into an NGO it would be unlikely to have the whole group on the payroll (unless there are relatively few members). Most people who would dedicate themselves to charitable work (http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Crunchy Granola types) aren't exactly the most ardent government supporters.



hey, just ignore them.

lol, this is a common misunderstanding.....

CIA don't have any preference on sending their officer overseas, however, to keep an official cover, which would allow deniability, most CIA officer were send with cover either as a businessman, or a NGO rep. Those are one of the easier way to gain credential to act as a cover, because most NGO don't check where their volunteer from (Well, not as hard as other stuff like a student visa or things like that)

That's why the NGO hate us, because they don't like their people mixed with the government...

 

[Zsari]

Then you can argue since everything is funded by the US Government (either directly or indirectly), then everything have relationship with anything else. So can I say CIA have something to do with my sewage and disposal since both budget coming out of a single government?

Beside, I wasn't the one who Argue CIA is funding those NGO directly, your people did, I said, it's stupid to believe so.

Mind you, NGO is not entirely funded by USAID funding (Hence all the annoying donation campaign) and there are just a thin line for NGO to accept USAID money to begin with, most NGO do not trust USAID or US Government in a scale you will probably don't believe. But that's basically a moot point since NGO basically do whatever the heck they want to do, with or without any consultation with the US government.

And you got it all wrong with regime change to. Again, you probably watching too much TV. As I said, I found it funny to see and hear people keep saying CIA's business is to topple regime worldwide....Do you even know the CIA charter? CIA is an intelligence organisation, not an espionage organisation.

"Freedom House and the National Endowment for Democracy stress their commitment to freedom of thought and democracy, but both cooperated with a CIA-organized propaganda operation in the 1980s, according to documents released by Ronald Reagan’s presidential library.

One document showed senior Freedom House official Leo Cherne clearing a draft manuscript on political conditions in El Salvador with CIA Director William Casey and promising that Freedom House would make requested editorial “corrections and changes” – and even send over the editor for consultation with whomever Casey assigned to review the paper."

http://www.commondreams.org/views/2015/01/09/cias-hidden-hand-democracy-groups

"Since its founding in 1947, the CIA had been deeply involved in secretly funding and manipulating foreign non-governmental voluntary organisations.

These vast operations circled the globe and targeted political parties, trade unions and business associations, youth and student organisations, women's groups, civic organisations, religious communities, professional, intellectual and cultural societies, and the public information media. The network functioned at local, national, regional and global levels.

Over the years, the CIA exerted phenomenal influence behind the scenes in country after country, using these powerful elements of civil society to penetrate, divide, weaken and destroy organisations on the left, and indeed to impose regime change by toppling governments.

Such was the case, among many others, in Guyana, where in 1964, culminating 10 years of efforts, the Cheddi Jagan government was overthrown through strikes, terrorism, violence and arson perpetrated by CIA agents in the trade unions.

About the same time, while I was a CIA agent assigned to Ecuador, our agents in civil society, through mass demonstrations and civil unrest, provoked two military coups in three years against elected, civilian governments."

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article4332.htm

The list goes on and on. While the funding for AID, NED and other NGO doesn't come from CIA, there is plenty of evidence in CIA coordinating and directing these organizations in conducting covert activities abroad.

 

[jhungary]

"Freedom House and the National Endowment for Democracy stress their commitment to freedom of thought and democracy, but both cooperated with a CIA-organized propaganda operation in the 1980s, according to documents released by Ronald Reagan’s presidential library.

One document showed senior Freedom House official Leo Cherne clearing a draft manuscript on political conditions in El Salvador with CIA Director William Casey and promising that Freedom House would make requested editorial “corrections and changes” – and even send over the editor for consultation with whomever Casey assigned to review the paper."

http://www.commondreams.org/views/2015/01/09/cias-hidden-hand-democracy-groups

"Since its founding in 1947, the CIA had been deeply involved in secretly funding and manipulating foreign non-governmental voluntary organisations.

These vast operations circled the globe and targeted political parties, trade unions and business associations, youth and student organisations, women's groups, civic organisations, religious communities, professional, intellectual and cultural societies, and the public information media. The network functioned at local, national, regional and global levels.

Over the years, the CIA exerted phenomenal influence behind the scenes in country after country, using these powerful elements of civil society to penetrate, divide, weaken and destroy organisations on the left, and indeed to impose regime change by toppling governments.

Such was the case, among many others, in Guyana, where in 1964, culminating 10 years of efforts, the Cheddi Jagan government was overthrown through strikes, terrorism, violence and arson perpetrated by CIA agents in the trade unions.

About the same time, while I was a CIA agent assigned to Ecuador, our agents in civil society, through mass demonstrations and civil unrest, provoked two military coups in three years against elected, civilian governments."

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article4332.htm

The list goes on and on. While the funding for AID, NED and other NGO doesn't come from CIA, there is plenty of evidence in CIA coordinating and directing these organizations in conducting covert activities abroad.

lol, citing 2 articles from blog like Information clearing house and use it as an official reference?? Should I actually take your point seriously??

So, if I start a blog and claim Xi Jinping is a transvestite, and since I am also an ex-company man, (I worked with NSA as part of US Military Intelligence services in 2004-2006) Then I must be right, and Xi Jinping must be a transvestite and he like to dress up in women clothes then?

LOL.

You need to have a more established evidence rather than 2 dude that "talked" about what they see or what they suspect, those are "hearsay" and circumstantial.

By the way, I did not claim CIA did not conduct covert activities aboard, they did it for intelligence collection, but they don't do espionage mission, those are two different things, and as I look at your post, you have no idea why the two are different.

 

[TaiShang]

Over 660,000 social organizations registered in China
Xinhua, May 1, 2016

China had 664,841 registered social organizations as of the end of March, the Ministry of Civil Affairs said on Sunday.

The registered organizations include 329,000 social groups, 4,841 foundations and 331,000 private non-enterprise units, according to the ministry.

A private non-enterprise unit is a community organization established by enterprises, public service units, social organizations and other community forces and individual citizens with non-state assets to engage in non-profit service activities.

Private non-enterprise units include schools, hospitals, eldercare centers and museums.

"Private non-enterprise units, with their rapid development in China, have played a critical role in social undertakings," said Huang Ru, deputy head of the social organization management bureau under the Ministry of Civil Affairs.

According to Huang, private non-enterprise units will be renamed social service agencies after China's Charity Law takes effect in September, and they will take part in charity activities through providing free professional services to the disabled, the poor and the elders.

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[Zsari]

lol, citing 2 articles from blog like Information clearing house and use it as an official reference?? Should I actually take your point seriously??

So, if I start a blog and claim Xi Jinping is a transvestite, and since I am also an ex-company man, (I worked with NSA as part of US Military Intelligence services in 2004-2006) Then I must be right, and Xi Jinping must be a transvestite and he like to dress up in women clothes then?

LOL.

You need to have a more established evidence rather than 2 dude that "talked" about what they see or what they suspect, those are "hearsay" and circumstantial.

By the way, I did not claim CIA did not conduct covert activities aboard, they did it for intelligence collection, but they don't do espionage mission, those are two different things, and as I look at your post, you have no idea why the two are different.

So you are denying CIA's Bay of Pigs invasion, Operation Mongooes, and the Iran Contra scandal that even lead to the congress in passing the Borland amendment in restricting CIA operation? There are plenty of de-classified documents detailing CIA's operations far beyond intelligence collection, including the Tibetan program.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CIA_Tibetan_program

 

[jhungary]

So you are denying CIA's Bay of Pigs invasion, Operation Mongooes, and the Iran Contra scandal that even lead to the congress in passing the Borland amendment in restricting CIA operation? There are plenty of de-classified documents detailing CIA's operations far beyond intelligence collection, including the Tibetan program.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CIA_Tibetan_program

Dude.........I now seriously think you have a problem with Basic English.

1.) I never said CIA did not involve in any covert operation, CIA did conduct covert operation overseas, and in whatever mission that would require an Human Intelligence (HUMINT) input, this would falls into the CIA jurisdiction.

So, to answer your question, if Bay of Pig, Operation Mongooes and Iran Contra have any intelligence and/or counter intelligence aspect, then yes, CIA would be involved. However, we are not talking about being involved. We are talking about leading the operation. For that Bay of pig and Operation Mongooes is led by a Air Force Major General Edward Landsale, which would suggest US Air Force is the one that lead the operation (Otherwise it would have been then CIA director John A McCone who lead the operation had it was a CIA Project.)

CIA never had a department to overthrown other country, they can, however, play into someone else's operation. Say if US Government want to overthrown some regime, they will task the Military for it (In the Bay of Pig case, USAF) and CIA would work with USAF in this occasion and support the operation by PROVIDING INTELLIGENCE OR TRAINING

2.) Iran-Contra is a different case, that was started as a Arms for Hostage operation, and it was NSC (National Security Council) who altered the operation to use the slush fund to fund the anti-communist rebel. CIA involvement was basically the middle man.

3.) Let's for argument sake, and let's say you are right, those are CIA operation, it was more than 40 years ago. (Bay of Pig -1960s, Iran-Contra - 1970s, Tibetian - 1950s) Do you even know CIA back 40 years ago is a different department than CIA now?

CIA have a bigger role than it was today then after the dissolve of OSS (which basically an "All-in-one" Clandestine agency.) CIA between 50s - 80s have basically been the same type of organisation as with OSS and back then, espionage would consider one of its objective. But since late 1990s to early 2000s CIA have broken into 3 different parts. Central Intelligence, National Intelligence and National Clandestine Office. Which the three have a different chair and belong to a different department.

We are talking about CIA now, not CIA 50 years ago. So, again, what you said have no point.

EDIT:: Edited to highlight the answer for the next post.

 

[Zsari]

Dude.........I now seriously think you have a problem with Basic English.

1.) I never said CIA did not involve in any covert operation, CIA did conduct covert operation overseas, and in whatever mission that would require an Human Intelligence (HUMINT) input, this would falls into the CIA jurisdiction.

So, to answer your question, if Bay of Pig, Operation Mongooes and Iran Contra have any intelligence and/or counter intelligence aspect, then yes, CIA would be involved. However, we are not talking about being involved. We are talking about leading the operation. For that Bay of pig and Operation Mongooes is led by a Air Force Major General Edward Landsale, which would suggest US Air Force is the one that lead the operation (Otherwise it would have been then CIA director John A McCone who lead the operation had it was a CIA Project.)

CIA never had a department to overthrown other country, they can, however, play into someone else's operation. Say if US Government want to overthrown some regime, they will task the Military for it (In the Bay of Pig case, USAF) and CIA would work with USAF in this occasion and support the operation by PROVIDING INTELLIGENCE OR TRAINING

2.) Iran-Contra is a different case, that was started as a Arms for Hostage operation, and it was NSC (National Security Council) who altered the operation to use the slush fund to fund the anti-communist rebel. CIA involvement was basically the middle man.

3.) Let's for argument sake, and let's say you are right, those are CIA operation, it was more than 40 years ago. (Bay of Pig -1960s, Iran-Contra - 1970s, Tibetian - 1950s) Do you even know CIA back 40 years ago is a different department than CIA now?

CIA have a bigger role than it was today then after the dissolve of OSS (which basically an "All-in-one" Clandestine agency.) CIA between 50s - 80s have basically been the same type of organisation as with OSS and back then, espionage would consider one of its objective. But since late 1990s to early 2000s CIA have broken into 3 different parts. Central Intelligence, National Intelligence and National Clandestine Office. Which the three have a different chair and belong to a different department.

We are talking about CIA now, not CIA 50 years ago. So, again, what you said have no point.

The Bay of Pigs Invasion, known in Latin America as Invasión de Playa Girón (or Invasión de Bahía de Cochinos or Batalla de Girón), was a failed military invasion of Cuba undertaken by the CIA-sponsored paramilitary group Brigade 2506 on 17 April 1961. A counter-revolutionary military, trained and funded by the United States government's Central Intelligence Agency (CIA), Brigade 2506 fronted the armed wing of the Democratic Revolutionary Front (DRF) and intended to overthrow the increasingly communist government of Fidel Castro. Launched from Guatemala, the invading force was defeated within three days by the Cuban Revolutionary Armed Forces, under the direct command of Prime Minister Fidel Castro.

The Cuban Revolution of 1952 to 1959 had forced dictator Fulgencio Batista, an ally of the United States, into exile. He was replaced by the 26th July Movement led by Castro, which severed the country's formerly strong links with the US after expropriating American economic assets, and developing links with the Soviet Union, with whom, at the time, the United States was engaged in the Cold War. US President Dwight D. Eisenhower was concerned at the direction Castro's government was taking, and in March 1960, Eisenhower allocated $13.1 million to the CIA to plan Castro's overthrow. The CIA proceeded to organize the operation with the aid of various Cuban counter-revolutionary forces, training Brigade 2506 in Guatemala.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bay_of_Pigs_Invasion

 

[jhungary]

The Bay of Pigs Invasion, known in Latin America as Invasión de Playa Girón (or Invasión de Bahía de Cochinos or Batalla de Girón), was a failed military invasion of Cuba undertaken by the CIA-sponsored paramilitary group Brigade 2506 on 17 April 1961. A counter-revolutionary military, trained and funded by the United States government's Central Intelligence Agency (CIA), Brigade 2506 fronted the armed wing of the Democratic Revolutionary Front (DRF) and intended to overthrow the increasingly communist government of Fidel Castro. Launched from Guatemala, the invading force was defeated within three days by the Cuban Revolutionary Armed Forces, under the direct command of Prime Minister Fidel Castro.

The Cuban Revolution of 1952 to 1959 had forced dictator Fulgencio Batista, an ally of the United States, into exile. He was replaced by the 26th July Movement led by Castro, which severed the country's formerly strong links with the US after expropriating American economic assets, and developing links with the Soviet Union, with whom, at the time, the United States was engaged in the Cold War. US President Dwight D. Eisenhower was concerned at the direction Castro's government was taking, and in March 1960, Eisenhower allocated $13.1 million to the CIA to plan Castro's overthrow. The CIA proceeded to organize the operation with the aid of various Cuban counter-revolutionary forces, training Brigade 2506 in Guatemala.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bay_of_Pigs_Invasion

So, literally, all the stuff I said a post ago goes right out of the window

Oh well, anyway, you are free to believe anything you say, and I am tired of typing a bunch of word just to be countered by some blog and Wikipedia. Well, I am not going to reply to you anymore, feel free to believe whatever

 

[Zsari]

http://nsarchive.gwu.edu/nsa/publications/DOC_readers/bpread/bpread.htm

Bay of Pigs Declassified
The Secret CIA Report
A National Security Archive Documents Reader
Published by the New Press
Edited by Peter Kornbluh


For decades, the CIA's top secret postmortem on the April 1961 Bay of Pigs invasion has been the holy grail of historians, students, and survivors of the failed invasion of Cuba. But the scathing internal report on the worst foreign policy debacle of the Kennedy administration, written by the ClA's then-inspector General Lyman Kirkpatrick, has remained tightly guarded -- until now.

Dislodged from the government through the Freedom of information Act, here is an uncompromising look at high officials' arrogance, ignorance and incompetence, as displayed in their attitude toward Castro's revolution and toward the Cuban exiles the CIA had organized to invade the island. Including the complete report and a wealth of supplementary materials, Bay of Pigs Declassified provides a fascinating picture of the operation and of the secret world of the espionage establishment, with stories of plots, counterplots, and intra-agency power struggles worthy of a Le Carré novel.
Includes:

• the complete text of the CIA report
• a critical introduction
• the newly declassified response to the report from Richard Bissell, who masterminded the operation
• the first joint interview with the managers of the invasion, Jacob Esterline and Colonel Jack Hawkins
• a comprehensive chronology
• biographies of the key participants