US censures China for passing law against foreign NGOs

[Götterdämmerung]

Well done, China. The US or EU NGOs that are not tainted with blood can be counted with two hands.

At the grassroots level, most members of those NGOs have indeed good intentions to help, but they are also gullible pawns of the people in the higher echelon of the organisations.

 

[sweetgrape]

I think the CIA (Which is actually not responsible for recruiting any overseas asset) doing a very good job misinforming the Chinese regrading how capable they are.

Every time I saw, read, hear that NGO or any "aid-agency" are controlled by CIA and as a recruitment tool I laugh out really loud, those people have no idea how espionage work, if anyone have half a brain would have know and understood that you don't recruit local asset with foreign organisation......May as well put a CIA recruitment ads on any Chinese Classified ads

By the way, CIA don't recruit any foreign agent, people say this is those who watch too much TV. CIA only train American intelligence officer, all overseas asset does not work for CIA nor American government, heck, most overseas agent don't even know they are feeding information to the Americans...lol

Hehe, you know "too much"!!!

 

[jhungary]

Hehe, you know "too much"!!!

I know enough...

Let me tell you another thing. It's absurd, even stupid for people to claim CIA funded these Non-Profit NGO.

If you have an intelligence agency, would you be publicly financing NGO so people would know your operational budget??

All CIA budget is black, which means you cannot trace where it come from and where it gone. That way, you mask your true operational budget (which you can use to deduce operational capability). Now, if CIA really did fund those NGO, not only you will know how much they spend on each NGO (As their budget is publicized), but also you will know the handle that the CIA use for operational support, then you can assume and arrest every one involved in that handle or offshore account.

CIA Budget must be laundered before and after use to conceal its trace/root, funding NGO did the exact opposite on what it supposed to, to say the fund any public organisation is a big LOL. Nobody in the right mind would be this stupid.....

But meh, seems like either CIA have that reach so you guys actually believe what you guys just said, or well, you did not think it thought. Either way, every time I heard about this stuff, I just can't stop laughing.

 

[sweetgrape]

I know enough...

Let me tell you another thing. It's absurd, even stupid for people to claim CIA funded these Non-Profit NGO.

If you have an intelligence agency, would you be publicly financing NGO so people would know your operational budget??

All CIA budget is black, which means you cannot trace where it come from and where it gone. That way, you mask your true operational budget (which you can use to deduce operational capability). Now, if CIA really did fund those NGO, not only you will know how much they spend on each NGO (As their budget is publicized), but also you will know the handle that the CIA use for operational support, then you can assume and arrest every one involved in that handle or offshore account.

CIA Budget must be laundered before and after use to conceal its trace/root, funding NGO did the exact opposite on what it supposed to, to say the fund any public organisation is a big LOL. Nobody in the right mind would be this stupid.....

But meh, seems like either CIA have that reach so you guys actually believe what you guys just said, or well, you did not think it thought. Either way, every time I heard about this stuff, I just can't stop laughing.

Hehe, sound it is very "logical".

I don't care how they operate this, it is not the point, and this is hard to get, the question is that it is public secret that many Western NGO, even China NGO are sponsored by USA government(intelligence department) in public or secretly, for USA, these NGO can help them much in espionage activities, they may even not involve in something directly, but they play important role in espionage, for western, NGO is a public channel, transferring information, collecting information become easier, they are not alone, not all things are done by it alone.

 

[qwerrty]

Hehe, sound it is very "logical".

I don't care how they operate this, it is not the point, and this is hard to get, the question is that it is public secret that many Western NGO, even China NGO are sponsored by USA government(intelligence department) in public or secretly, for USA, these NGO can help them much in espionage activities, they may even not involve in something directly, but they play important role in espionage, for western, NGO is a public channel, transferring information, collecting information become easier, they are not alone, not all things are done by it alone.

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'Matter of death and life': Espionage in East Timor and Australia's diplomatic bungle
By Steve Cannane, Sashka Koloff and Brigid Andersen
Updated 26 Nov 2015, 3:11pm

East Timor's most senior leaders have accused Australia of committing a crime and acting immorally after a spying scandal that rocked the relationship between the two countries.

Australian spies bugged government building

It all began in 2004, when under the guise of an aid project to help renovate the Palace of Government in Dili, spies from Australia's foreign intelligence service ASIS snuck in and installed listening devices.

They were targeting East Timor's prime minister at the time, Mari Alkatiri, and his negotiating team, who were in talks with the Australian government over a treaty dealing with oil and gas deposits in the Timor Sea.

The Greater Sunrise oil and gas field in the Timor Sea is worth an estimated $40 billion and the treaty would map out how it was divided between East Timor and Australia.

full story..

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-11-25/east-timor-greater-sunrise-spy-scandal/6969830

 

[Reashot Xigwin]

NGO fills in the crack that government fails to fill or reluctant to do. Like MSF for example. NGOs are fine by my book.

 

[Zsari]

I know enough...

Let me tell you another thing. It's absurd, even stupid for people to claim CIA funded these Non-Profit NGO.

If you have an intelligence agency, would you be publicly financing NGO so people would know your operational budget??

All CIA budget is black, which means you cannot trace where it come from and where it gone. That way, you mask your true operational budget (which you can use to deduce operational capability). Now, if CIA really did fund those NGO, not only you will know how much they spend on each NGO (As their budget is publicized), but also you will know the handle that the CIA use for operational support, then you can assume and arrest every one involved in that handle or offshore account.

CIA Budget must be laundered before and after use to conceal its trace/root, funding NGO did the exact opposite on what it supposed to, to say the fund any public organisation is a big LOL. Nobody in the right mind would be this stupid.....

But meh, seems like either CIA have that reach so you guys actually believe what you guys just said, or well, you did not think it thought. Either way, every time I heard about this stuff, I just can't stop laughing.

Its not CIA who funded the NGO. The funding directly come from congress for the NGOs. CIA essentially got out of the regime change business where organization such as NED replaced their function there. So yes, one can correctly argue that they are not part of CIA, but its also pointless since both are arms of the US government.

 

[jhungary]

Its not CIA who funded the NGO. The funding directly come from congress for the NGOs. CIA essentially got out of the regime change business where organization such as NED replaced their function there. So yes, one can correctly argue that they are not part of CIA, but its also pointless since both are arms of the US government.

Then you can argue since everything is funded by the US Government (either directly or indirectly), then everything have relationship with anything else. So can I say CIA have something to do with my sewage and disposal since both budget coming out of a single government?

Beside, I wasn't the one who Argue CIA is funding those NGO directly, your people did, I said, it's stupid to believe so.

Mind you, NGO is not entirely funded by USAID funding (Hence all the annoying donation campaign) and there are just a thin line for NGO to accept USAID money to begin with, most NGO do not trust USAID or US Government in a scale you will probably don't believe. But that's basically a moot point since NGO basically do whatever the heck they want to do, with or without any consultation with the US government.

And you got it all wrong with regime change to. Again, you probably watching too much TV. As I said, I found it funny to see and hear people keep saying CIA's business is to topple regime worldwide....Do you even know the CIA charter? CIA is an intelligence organisation, not an espionage organisation.

Preempt threats and further US national security objectives by collecting intelligence that matters, producing objective all-source analysis, conducting effective covert action as directed by the President, and safeguarding the secrets that help keep our Nation safe.

https://www.cia.gov/about-cia/cia-vision-mission-values

They collect the intelligence, they don't "ACT" on the intel, that is for decision maker from some other department which I will not admit nor denied it existence, but one thing for certain, if that organisation do exist, they are not operating on US Governmental Funding.

Hehe, sound it is very "logical".

I don't care how they operate this, it is not the point, and this is hard to get, the question is that it is public secret that many Western NGO, even China NGO are sponsored by USA government(intelligence department) in public or secretly, for USA, these NGO can help them much in espionage activities, they may even not involve in something directly, but they play important role in espionage, for western, NGO is a public channel, transferring information, collecting information become easier, they are not alone, not all things are done by it alone.

I am not saying anything, nor asking you not to believe, I am simply saying it's stupid because this would be quite a stupid way to collect intelligence, I myself have been in the intelligence game for 4 years (3 working for NSA/US Army, 1 working with private contractor) I am not here to stop you from being stupid. hell, I want you to believe that CIA is that strong, because that would means CIA is doing right in its misinformation front.

Just saying what you said does not make sense. That's all.

 

[sweetgrape]

I am not saying anything, nor asking you not to believe, I am simply saying it's stupid because this would be quite a stupid way to collect intelligence, I myself have been in the intelligence game for 4 years (3 working for NSA/US Army, 1 working with private contractor) I am not here to stop you from being stupid. hell, I want you to believe that CIA is that strong, because that would means CIA is doing right in its misinformation front.

Just saying what you said does not make sense. That's all.

You think I care or take what you say seriously? I also want you believe we are stupid and think your CIA are strong. hehe.

BTW, what you said does not make sense too.

 

[jhungary]

You think I care or take what you say seriously? I also want you believe we are stupid and think your CIA are strong. hehe.

BTW, what you said does not make sense too.

If you don't care what I said, you would not have reply to my post, which wasn't directed to you in the first place.

And there is an old saying. If you want to mislead me, you would not be this stupid to tell me up front. Usually, people being this in you face stupid are simply slow on the uptake.

 

[sweetgrape]

If you don't care what I said, you would not have reply to my post, which wasn't directed to you in the first place.

And there is an old saying. If you want to mislead me, you would not be this stupid to tell me up front. Usually, people being this in you face stupid are simply slow on the uptake.

I reply to you, so I care? hehe, just killing time, don't think too much.

Talking about misleading others, have to accpet that, you are better than me.

 

[jhungary]

I reply to you, so I care? hehe, just killing time, don't think too much.

Talking about misleading others, have to accpet that, you are better than me.

If you don't care about what I said to OTHERS, then tell me why you butt in with a conversation between me and @Hamartia Antidote?

 

[sweetgrape]

If you don't care about what I said to OTHERS, then tell me why you butt in with a conversation between me and @Hamartia Antidote?

I have said, reply not mean I care, just for killing time, very casual comments, don't take it serious, you also have said, it make no sense.

 

[jhungary]

I have said, reply not mean I care, just for killing time, very casual comments, don't take it serious, you also have said, it make no sense.

dude, I did not address my original post to you, nor did I mentioned you in any tag, that means the only way you read my post is that you actively read my post. That already a sign.

Then after you read my post for whatever reason, maybe you are bored, maybe you are just doing it random, I will give you that, but to say you kill time to reply my post, and nothing else? dude, are you a professional post answerer? Otherwise, what you said does not make sense. Cos you don't kill time with answering stuff that you don't know, nor addressed to you. I did not ask you to reply my post, so you have to have a reason to do so if you answered it.

and then after you have answered it, you said you don't care about what I say? Either you are a troll who go on random reply to kill time, or you care, so, I am afraid you have to pick your poison.

 

[Hamartia Antidote]

I think the CIA (Which is actually not responsible for recruiting any overseas asset) doing a very good job misinforming the Chinese regrading how capable they are.

Every time I saw, read, hear that NGO or any "aid-agency" are controlled by CIA and as a recruitment tool I laugh out really loud, those people have no idea how espionage work, if anyone have half a brain would have know and understood that you don't recruit local asset with foreign organisation......May as well put a CIA recruitment ads on any Chinese Classified ads

By the way, CIA don't recruit any foreign agent, people say this is those who watch too much TV. CIA only train American intelligence officer, all overseas asset does not work for CIA nor American government, heck, most overseas agent don't even know they are feeding information to the Americans...lol

While it is possible for the CIA to sneak a few people into an NGO it would be unlikely to have the whole group on the payroll (unless there are relatively few members). Most people who would dedicate themselves to charitable work (http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Crunchy Granola types) aren't exactly the most ardent government supporters.

If you don't care about what I said to OTHERS, then tell me why you butt in with a conversation between me and @Hamartia Antidote?

hey, just ignore them.