khanasifm
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That is not true.The Israelis are strategic allies with India. Do you think they will sell them to us? Oh they are already investigating a case where some Israeli technology made its way to Pakistan via a Turkish firm. Probably that was the refuelling trucks ordered from Turkey in Musharraf era. There was a thread on that here
https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/israel-sells-pakistan-military-equipment.156739/
I think time to point the middle finger. Arab countries already established direct and indirect relations for a long time. It is just a bogus excuse. Arabs never cared for Pakistan except as a source of cheap labour or to have good time.The Pak government will never order them as they have a clause in their passports to satisfy the Arab world to not recognise the State of Israel. Not that it benefits them but that's the way some things are...
I beg to differ on the help part sir. Any Muslim country is a matter of concern for the Israelis. Though I agree on the diplomatic affairs part sir.That is not true.
If Pakistan establishes ties with Isreal there is no question that help wont be forthcoming. Give credit to Musharaff who was close to getting this done. I find it silly, essentially no reason why it is not being done given the Arabs are already in alliance with Isreal anyway.
Isreal never had any concerns with Pakistan.
I think time to point the middle finger. Arab countries already established direct and indirect relations for a long time. It is just a bogus excuse. Arabs never cared for Pakistan except as a source of cheap labour or to have good time.
Even turkey wanted pakistani pilots to train their pilots on their f-16's, U.S vetoed it even.
From where pakistan will get spare parts of f-16 during war ?
Just wowPlease read a book in the market name "in the line of fire"
https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/141550.In_the_Line_of_Fire
And author the president of Pakistan admitted to even take money for kids .
FOr PPP & PML if you have any proof we all are ears
Secret memos 'show Pakistan endorsed US drone strikes'
well that appears to be a common tirade. This is not true. Put yourself in their shoes - same i can say is for Pak vs India - there will always be differences. If Egypt and others put aside differences and normalised; do you see a massive Isreali build up on Egyptian side ... no.I beg to differ on the help part sir. Any Muslim country is a matter of concern for the Israelis. Though I agree on the diplomatic affairs part sir.
The most absolute pressing concern for PAF right now is not just that they wont get more F-16s, but its is finding it harder to replace mirages and older F-7s because there will be no more F-16s.
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The next thing would be to acquire 2-3 squadrons of J-10 or Flankers (preferably flankers). The J-10 is more likely but is not ideal, but you need modern equipment with better safety and maintainability for your pilots. This will allow you to get modern aircraft that are still quite highly potent while not quite as capable as the Rafale, Flanker or F-16IN, it will be a serious threat to them, especially if it is married to some tech off J-31 and J-20 with respect to better radar and better electro-optical systems and passive targeting modalities.
I do concur with this assessment; J10 needs to be evaluated vs F-16 as it will be a symetrical move and there is no reason to believe performance cannot be improved with further inputs; I do not concur though with capping JF-17 to 150; the reasonable number is 250-300. given the geographical sphere of operations.The PAF therefore needs to be up front and honest with the Chinese and re-evaluate the latest J-10 and point out where it is still lacking vi-a-vi PAF's desire for the F-16. With J-20 technology available, an upgraded j-10 would not be behind in any real aspect (other than engine performance to what the Block 52 F-16 can do; which is the best the PAF can hope to acquire). The PAF should be helping the Chinese build up the J-10 to level of the Eurofighter; PAF has experience training with RAF Eurofighters.
Lets Compare the F-16 Block 70 offered to the Indians and the Current J-10C (knowing the Chinese are working on GaN Aesa Technology). Build quality, the service life of each aircraft, Engine Thrust and Life Cycle are all issues that need to be addressed. IF the PAF focuses on building a top of the Line J-10; it can cap the JF-17 at 150; and recapitalize the rest with up to 150 J-10C/D/E and Look to acquiring 100-120 Turkish Fifth Gen Fighters when it retires the F-16s. Over the years technologies derived from the J-10 and Turkish programs can be applied to the Jf-17 and these three planes can be all you would need; all single engine, and all affordable but still modern.
as far as a heavy bomber to launch a hand full of cruise missiles; the thread is more to a large number of cheap cruise missiles launched from a few hundred kilometers increasing the chances of a destroying more targets and causing more disruption to the enemy.
Typhoons are comingThe Chinese "Clankers" (just made up the name ) are not available for exports. And they are not a good idea for PAF anyway. The Typhoon would be a cheaper and better option if that's the case. Yep, it's way cheaper than a Flanker, especially with the new process changes that BAE has proposed. Their goal is to reduce CPFH to that of the F-16. The Clankers will be 3 times as expensive.
Anyway, a dedicated 5th gen aircraft will be a reality only after 2030. PAF will lose an entire decade if they don't make a decision on at least a stop gap aircraft like the F-16V, if not a proven next gen aircraft like Gripen.
I do concur with this assessment; J10 needs to be evaluated vs F-16 as it will be a symetrical move and there is no reason to believe performance cannot be improved with further inputs; I do not concur though with capping JF-17 to 150; the reasonable number is 250-300. given the geographical sphere of operations.
That is not true.
If Pakistan establishes ties with Isreal there is no question that help wont be forthcoming. Give credit to Musharaff who was close to getting this done. I find it silly, essentially no reason why it is not being done given the Arabs are already in alliance with Isreal anyway.
Isreal never had any concerns with Pakistan.
I think time to point the middle finger. Arab countries already established direct and indirect relations for a long time. It is just a bogus excuse. Arabs never cared for Pakistan except as a source of cheap labour or to have good time.
I do concur with this assessment; J10 needs to be evaluated vs F-16 as it will be a symetrical move and there is no reason to believe performance cannot be improved with further inputs; I do not concur though with capping JF-17 to 150; the reasonable number is 250-300. given the geographical sphere of operations.
Sir if Pak gets some squadrons of J10b it shall be more then enough to counter Rafael as I personally think that no one outside Chinese military knows much about their fighters true capabilities especially modernized versions. The J10b shall certainly have more powerful AESA with more range than JF17 due to size and more power, similarly more capable ECM suit of Western origin may also be included.
On the other hand perhaps Pak may get few squadrons of J16 for Naval and Surface attack roles ( fighter bomber). One may assume that J15-16 are more or less indigenous products of China already having some 5th gen tech, though not having true stealth features.
The ties should be there first to end atrocities in Palestine if done then Pak or any other nation need not to contact Israelis behind close curtains. Many religious sites of Muslims and Christians are there in the area which are out of access to many due to hostile attitude of Israel. Israel should adopt the policy to live and let live
Nope..... Leasing is the worse option financially. THis is not a car you lease.Financially viable option can be lease of J10B 2 squadrons for 10 years till the 5th Gen is available