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‘International forces behind Dir, Chitral attacks’
By Qaiser Butt
Published: September 29, 2011
ISLAMABAD: While the foreign office remains firm in its stance that Pakistan has been forced to retaliate against Afghan militant attacks, a senior official of the defence ministry has claimed that foreign forces in Afghanistan are behind recent cross border attacks in Pakistan.
According to the official, international forces raised a Coalition Special Operation Force (CSOF) to ‘directly and indirectly attack security forces and civilians in the bordering towns of Pakistan’.
He further told The Express Tribune that Islamabad had filed formal complaints with the US and Nato against armed attacks on its security forces in Dir and Chitral. “We are waiting for their reply,” he added while requesting anonymity.
American news website the Long War Journal in a report last week confirmed that the CSOF was fighting against the Taliban in Afganistan’s Nuristan province – an area mostly under the control of the Taliban and other allied fighting groups.
Furthermore, noted strategy expert Brig Shaukat Qadir told The Express Tribune that the CSOF, which, he said, was established by the US to sponsor violence in Pakistan, was used by foreign forces to attack Pakistani bordering towns.
Meanwhile, a senior official in the foreign affairs ministry has confirmed that several rockets were recently fired as ‘retaliatory action’ on militants by Pakistani security forces in the Afghan province of Kunar.
The official made it clear that the attacks were part of retaliatory action against the militants who in the last two months have been constantly attacking Pakistani security forces and defence installations in Dir and Chitral from Kunar.
While the Khyber-Pakhtunkhwa government has repeatedly blamed US and Nato forces in Afghanistan for sponsoring militant attacks on civilian and security forces in Dir and Chitral, the foreign affairs ministry refrains from accusing foreign troops.
“We are aware that a third party is directly involved in anti-Pakistan violence in our tribal regions,” the source said while requesting anonymity.
Ruling out Afghanistan
“Islamabad is aware that the Afghan government is not responsible for the border violations,” the foreign office source said, adding that a militarily fragile country would not attack Pakistan on its own.
He also referred to the recent statement by the Afghan foreign ministry’s spokesman regarding the ongoing tug-of-war between Pakistan and the United States. He said Kabul was perturbed by the development. “The Afghan foreign ministry’s deputy spokesman Dr Faramarz Tamanna said that Afghanistan welcomes any regional and international pressure on Pakistan but believes that a deterioration of relationship between America and Pakistan can’t help regional peace”.
Pakistan’s foreign office believed that peace between Islamabad and Kabul was much more in the interest of Afghanistan. He said that after the recapture of the Waigal district in Nuristan by Afghani Taliban in March this year, foreign forces in Afghanistan sponsored attacks on the Pakistani bordering towns.
Published in The Express Tribune, September 29th, 2011.
‘International forces behind Dir, Chitral attacks’ – The Express Tribune
 
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This was an allegation made back when the attacks took place as well, with the media reporting eyewitnesses claiming they saw ISAF air support for the terrorists attacking Dir and Chitral.

That these terrorist groups are able to organize, train and launch attacks into Pakistan from Afghanistan, comprising hundreds of insurgents at a time, itself indicates a level of support from US and Afghan forces.

http://www.defence.pk/forums/pakistans-war/116148-east-afghanistan-al-qaeda-taliban-central.html
 
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So then all talk of Mullen being full of hot air is incorrect?? The attacks with boots on the ground have already begun??
 
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I think the time has come that these statements start coming from the mouths of top Pak officials. All Party Conference is being conducted. Politicians and military leaders have to come out with a strong message. US is watching. Those in US establishment, sincere but oblivious to ground realities should be made aware of Pakistan's side rather then the usual face saving propaganda they are used to hearing from the heads of CIA and military.

The major cross border terrorist attacks from afghan side, the lack of US and NATO checkposts, their limited control of territory should be mentioned and how CIA infiltrated Pakistan with spies like Raymond Davis and how Obama came to his defence by calling him a diplomat. All should be spoken about loud and clear for the world to hear.
 
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Big question: what is Pakistan going to do about it?

Answer: Absolutely nothing. Just like every other violation whether complicit or duplicitous.

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I think the time has come that these statements start coming from the mouths of top Pak officials.

What will this do and how much weight will it hold? The general world population perception is that all top pak officials are in the pockets of the Americans.
 
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now if any of such attack happen from Afghanistan we have to take strong action against it and if NATO is involved and provide air support to them then we have to shoot them down......enough is enough
 
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So then all talk of Mullen being full of hot air is incorrect?? The attacks with boots on the ground have already begun??
Mullen's 'hot air' would be irrelevant in this case, since these attacks have been occurring over the last several months, so you can't associate the attacks with Mullen's comments.

Second, these attacks are against Paramilitary Posts, villages and innocent civilians in Dir and Chitral, and therefore not any sort of 'operation against the Haqqani network'.

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Big question: what is Pakistan going to do about it?
Regular Army troops have been deployed now in the region, and the security services have been attacking suspected terrorist hideouts in Eastern Afghanistan and escaping terrorists with artillery and rocket barrages.
 
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Big question: what is Pakistan going to do about it?

Answer: Absolutely nothing. Just like every other violation whether complicit or duplicitous.

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What will this do and how much weight will it hold? The general world population perception is that all top pak officials are in the pockets of the Americans.

when a country's top official makes a statement, it holds a lot of weight. I don't believe in this rhetoric that Pak officials are in American pockets. And neither does the world hold that perception. Yes, of course there are individuals who hold that view out of frustration or gullibility or being immature but that's not important. Fact is that current Pak gov't is a legitimate political establishment that has come into power through a fair public election. And when a top official from this gov't makes a statement on this current scenario it will hold a lot of weight as appose to what a newspaper analyst would say.

As for what good it would do, I could go on an on, but I would say enough of being on defensive and trying to clear name after every allegation. There are many skeletons in American establishment's and CIA's closet that Pak gov't and the ISI knows of. Pull the reigns a little and let them have it. Tell them how untrustworthy the collaboration with CIA can get when behind your backs they send contractors like Raymond Davis. How they recruit Pak civilians and launch secret missions in guise of children vaccination. Remind them of border incursions from their 'controlled' side which has resulted in deaths of many Pakistani soldiers.

Turning the other cheek after not just getting slapped by them but punched and kicked on the first cheek is only going to destroy you. Taking it sitting thinking what good will speaking up do will destroy you. Americans love to go after people like that. However, they are cautious to take on those who give it back just as hard. Ahmedini-ijad I'm talking of.
 
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This was an allegation made back when the attacks took place as well, with the media reporting eyewitnesses claiming they saw ISAF air support for the terrorists attacking Dir and Chitral.

That these terrorist groups are able to organize, train and launch attacks into Pakistan from Afghanistan, comprising hundreds of insurgents at a time, itself indicates a level of support from US and Afghan forces.

http://www.defence.pk/forums/pakistans-war/116148-east-afghanistan-al-qaeda-taliban-central.html

The entire episode of Geo's expose of Kasab's village and the subsequent Pakistani crackdown on those villagers proves how easily the Pakistani Army can create and destroy 'eyewitnesses' at its own convenience.

Hence, I wouldn't take the claims of Pakistani 'eyewitnesses' at their face value. Not when they say something that would directly benefit the Pakistani Army.
 
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The US has already been using 'Suicide Bombers' ala TTP, in Pakistan ...

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The entire episode of Geo's expose of Kasab's village and the subsequent Pakistani crackdown on those villagers proves how easily the Pakistani Army can create and destroy 'eyewitnesses' at its own convenience.

Hence, I wouldn't take the claims of Pakistani 'eyewitnesses' at their face value. Not when they say something that would directly benefit the Pakistani Army.

Eyewitnesses were 'removed' perhaps, but when were they 'created'?
 
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Eyewitnesses were 'removed' perhaps, but when were they 'created'?

Created were those who started speaking what the Pakistani Army wanted them to speak.

Anyways, the point is, one cannot take seriously the claims of 'eyewitnesses' in Pakistan. Not when they directly benefit the Pakistani Army.
 
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