US behind Dir, Chitral attacks

[Uchiha]

Big question: what is Pakistan going to do about it?

Answer: Absolutely nothing. Just like every other violation whether complicit or duplicitous.

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What will this do and how much weight will it hold? The general world population perception is that all top pak officials are in the pockets of the Americans.

You're ignorant as * man, the general world population thinks our military generals are terrorists, only Pakistanis know that they are in USA's hands

 

[karan.1970]

Over optimism to say the least...... sometimes reading between the lines helps.

http://www.defence.pk/forums/pakistans-war/131699-skeletons-cupboard.html

Sorry.. What did I miss..?? I thought the post was about how American forces are indulging in attack on Pakistani soil..

 

[karan.1970]

Mullen's 'hot air' would be irrelevant in this case, since these attacks have been occurring over the last several months, so you can't associate the attacks with Mullen's comments.

Second, these attacks are against Paramilitary Posts, villages and innocent civilians in Dir and Chitral, and therefore not any sort of 'operation against the Haqqani network'.

Which means USA has been putting boots on the ground in Pakistan even before the Senate disposition.. May be they are choosing wrong targets( that is if what you say is true about the target of the attacks), but then the statements of Kayani and PM about boots on the ground wont be allowed look pretty hollow..

One of the 2 has to be incorrect..

 

[Areesh]

Created were those who started speaking what the Pakistani Army wanted them to speak.

Anyways, the point is, one cannot take seriously the claims of 'eyewitnesses' in Pakistan. Not when they directly benefit the Pakistani Army.

Speculation-Guess work.

 

[karan.1970]

The US has already been using 'Suicide Bombers' ala TTP, in Pakistan ...

Of which there is no evidence and indeed not even any motive.

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[Spring Onion]

Which means USA has been putting boots on the ground in Pakistan even before the Senate disposition.. May be they are choosing wrong targets( that is if what you say is true about the target of the attacks), but then the statements of Kayani and PM about boots on the ground wont be allowed look pretty hollow..

One of the 2 has to be incorrect..

Boots on ground ??? my foot that too the left one with boot on indeed.

they are pisssed to core owing to the reason that our Pakistani forces despite all odds have pushed terrorists out of Bajaur and Dir so in frustration Americans and its anti-Pakistan buffoo.n.s attack our civilians in Dir and our FC posts at night.

 

[karan.1970]

Boots on ground ??? my foot that too the left one with boot on indeed.

they are pisssed to core owing to the reason that our Pakistani forces despite all odds have pushed terrorists out of Bajaur and Dir so in frustration Americans and its anti-Pakistan ******** attack our civilians in Dir and our FC posts at night

Bare footed ??

 

[Rafi]

What all Pakistani's have to realize is that india is our eternal enemy, look how they are wetting themselves in anticipation of a confrontation between Pak and the US. I hope those misguided idiots who look across the border, thinking of friendship - wake up and smell the coffee, the entity to the east cannot be trusted.

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

Anyways, the point is, one cannot take seriously the claims of 'eyewitnesses' in Pakistan. Not when they directly benefit the Pakistani Army.

That is not a logical position to take, nor a logical argument to make.

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Which means USA has been putting boots on the ground in Pakistan even before the Senate disposition.. May be they are choosing wrong targets( that is if what you say is true about the target of the attacks), but then the statements of Kayani and PM about boots on the ground wont be allowed look pretty hollow..

One of the 2 has to be incorrect..

They 'picked the wrong targets' as went in to the 'wrong agency' completely, and started killing innocent civilians?

This wasn't a 'wrong target, rather a cold blooded massacred of civilians and soldiers that had nothing to do with the Haqqani network - let me make that clear first.

Second, what US support for these terrorists indicates is that they are not, or cannot, put 'US boots' on the ground, and are instead using covert militias/terrorists to destabilize Pakistan.

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Evidence: Eyewitnesses mentioned
Motive: Destabilize Pakistan and render it weak till US objectives are complete so that in the mean time Pakistan has limited options to push back against US unilateralism and irrational policies.

 

[Windjammer]

Sorry.. What did I miss..?? I thought the post was about how American forces are indulging in attack on Pakistani soil..

Bare footed ??

Exactly.......there is a marked difference between a military boot and an Afghani Flip Flop. !!
Just yesterday some three dozen died......without their boots on.

 

[The HBS Guy]

That is not a logical position to take, nor a logical argument to make.

It is a completely valid argument.

The crackdown of Pakistani Army on the attempt of journalists, both foreign and domestic, to report from the village are well documented.

The Pakistani Army cracked down on the entire village with an iron fist in order to prevent the truth from coming out, little did they know that the truth was out already.

Hence, I'm sure how you can cite eyewitness accounts in Pakistan, especially when they speak in favor of the Pakistani Army. There's all pobability of those accounts being manupulated or even implanted.

 

[MastanKhan]

Created were those who started speaking what the Pakistani Army wanted them to speak.

Anyways, the point is, one cannot take seriously the claims of 'eyewitnesses' in Pakistan. Not when they directly benefit the Pakistani Army.

Hi,

You can replace it with the indians, the americans. the afg's---it is a double edged sword---works both ways.

 

[karan.1970]

That is not a logical position to take, nor a logical argument to make.

They 'picked the wrong targets' as went in to the 'wrong agency' completely, and started killing innocent civilians?

This wasn't a 'wrong target, rather a cold blooded massacred of civilians and soldiers that had nothing to do with the Haqqani network - let me make that clear first.

I am not debating whether the targets were right or wrong by mistake or by design, simply that there have been ground attacks on Pakistan even before Mullen's statement in senate..

Second, what US support for these terrorists indicates is that they are not, or cannot, put 'US boots' on the ground, and are instead using covert militias/terrorists to destabilize Pakistan.

Ok.. So is Pakistan fine as long as its Afghan boots backed by USA ??

Evidence: Eyewitnesses mentioned
Motive: Destabilize Pakistan and render it weak till US objectives are complete so that in the mean time Pakistan has limited options to push back against US unilateralism and irrational policies.

Eyewitnesses - Pakistani - No credibility in the given scenario
Motive: Pakistan does not have many options even without this being true.. Not a strong enough motive imo

 

[karan.1970]

Exactly.......there is a marked difference between a military boot and an Afghani Flip Flop. !!
Just yesterday some three dozen died......without their boots on.

So as claimed by a lot of Pakistani, USA attacks Pakistan using Afghan proxies and that is fine with Pakistan?? Afghanis entering and attacking do not constitute violation of sovereignty ??

 

[humanfirst]

Have pak army or pak govt ever accused u.s.a for helping terrorists in those attacks?