‘US-based group working to establish caliphate’

[Muhammad-Bin-Qasim]

I do wonder which country would found the Caliphate,

Saudi Arabia as "the home of Islam"?
Pakistan because it is the Islamic state?
Eygpt as the "home of Sunii Islam?
Iran as the origional Islamic empire
Indonesia as the lagest Muslim population?
New Zealand because were really nice people andtheworld would be a better place if we ran it?

Problem is everyone thinks they are the obvious choice and their Islam is the right one, i just dont see the rulers of each country passing the batton and going home to live a quiet life even if their people liked the idea.

Astute observation... you hit the nail on the head so to speak...

This is our biggest hurdle... Efforts to re establish the Caliphate have been going on for many years, the west has only made an issue out of it after Bin Laden started talking about it as well... In my limited experience, we have had lesser problems in the west (although it is changing very fast as bigots in the west are now calling for banning even the mention of the word Caliphate) but the main hurdle remains the current governments and puppet regimes in the Muslim world...

As for the issue about where would be the best place for it to come... Again to my limited knowledge the focus is not on ONE country... It will come simultaneously in a few Muslim countries within less than five years time... God willing

After that the puppets ruling above us are fair game...

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I just saw NewZealand as an option... LOL... You think the Kiwis could ever support such a thing? It has to be a place where the public opinion is somewhat in its favor... and the influentials amongst the people support it... no other way

 

[Vassnti]

I just saw NewZealand as an option... LOL... You think the Kiwis could ever support such a thing? It has to be a place where the public opinion is somewhat in its favor... and the influentials amongst the people support it... no other way

Lol it was sort of tounge in cheek, however it does have the advantage of being small insignificant and not having pissed anyone off. All the others on the list have atleast rubbed some one with a large Muslim population the wrong way.

Though it does raise a question how Mulsim does a country need to be? 50% Muslim 30% yes NZ with only a few thousand Muslims could hardly be reagarded as an Islamic country but i wonder about places like India with large Muslim minorities.

 

[Muhammad-Bin-Qasim]

Lol it was sort of tounge in cheek, however it does have the advantage of being small insignificant and not having pissed anyone off. All the others on the list have atleast rubbed some one with a large Muslim population the wrong way.

Though it does raise a question how Mulsim does a country need to be? 50% Muslim 30% yes NZ with only a few thousand Muslims could hardly be reagarded as an Islamic country but i wonder about places like India with large Muslim minorities.

Vassnti... Although for a system to change, you do need public opinion in your favor... When the prophet Muhammad pbuh arrived in Madina, even though the majority of the population of the city were not Muslims, however they had heard about the Prophet and were willing to observe and go along with the changes in the system that Muhammad introduced... The Jews even signed treaties with Muslims at that time...

There is another aspect to it as well... New Zealand wont be the prime field for such a work because the land should have at least an army that is willing to defend the borders... If we have an Islamic state by a miracle in New Zealand, its soldiers will hardly bother if Australia decided to put an end to the Islamic experiment... because almost all of them wont even be Muslims... So the best place for such a thing is a land and people who are willing to raise the flag for the cause so to speak...

Think of the legacy? Does Islam has a legacy in NZland? None... Does Islam has a legacy in the Muslim world? Yes it certainly has... and this is one of the reason why Muslims have a different approach to Islam compared to Christians approach to Christianity... For Christians the church was ruthless and prohibited all progress... For Muslims our experience with Islam has been on the contrary, much more liberating...

Hope that answers the question...

 

[Parashuram1]

Mr. Qasim, establishing a theocracy of any religion or faith will not have perennial results. As you know, the Ottoman empire had some really bad time during its collapse. Establishing something like that and that too with a religious intention will naturally bring people of the region not in faith to be up in arms.

Now I know that Ottoman had some positive policies towards some of its minorities and it has been well recorded, however in today's world of different faiths and more awareness you tell me, how many would tolerate a single faith that is not theirs to be their "state religion" or a form of system that has never been theirs?

Hardly anyone. Every era of mankind has seen a different form of politics taking shape which forms as a result of observation of public's change in thinking. A Caliphate is something in today's time that will not even work on the blanket Muslim countries around the world, let alone the non-Muslim ones. Take a good look around your region.

From Morocco to Pakistan, almost every country is Muslim. There are millions like you are share your intention to restart something that had its significance in its hayday. But today, this is not happening and it comes down to non-religious yet effective and considerable policies like nationalism, which had been banned in Ottoman empire.

For one moment, forget the Ottomans and think about today's Saudi Arabia. Until a few years ago, national pride was discouraged severely there in order to keep religion as the sole identity of the country. However, today elements of nationalism are increasingly noticable as I myself have seen interacting with various Saudi nationals. It is quite a natural thing to feel for one's country.

What I am trying to convey here is that this group whatever it claims to be and the existence of such groups will only put a certain group of people in the dark spot more and more.

Global order has changed and people now want more to do with material needs rather than how many have come under one form of government's rule or how much province has been captured by an empire or which religion is the state religion.