US B-52 bombers fly close to Guangdong coast

[Misay]

The American move reminded me of this picture.

 

[Beast]

The US would be able to target facilities deep within Chinese territory using a combination of stealthy JASSM, AGM-86C/D, or Tomahawks. People seem to forget that the B-52 is capable of launching these weapons at standoff ranges, and that any Chinese air defense systems on the mainland would be quickly and efficiently eliminated in the opening stages of a conflict.

Tomahawk are slow moving cruise missile. It will not be Gulf war one situation where these tomahawk can penetrate a major power air defense easily. Even Iraq in the 90s still capable of intercepting a few tomahawk. Just like in Syria war where Syria airdefense still managed to protected their airfield against US cruise missile attack.

Not to mention a major power like China in the 2018. China possess high speed YJ series cruise missile which is something American do not have. I will bet China missile has a higher chances of defeating US air defense than american pathetic Tomahawk.

 

[j20blackdragon]

The US would be able to target facilities deep within Chinese territory using a combination of stealthy JASSM, AGM-86C/D, or Tomahawks. People seem to forget that the B-52 is capable of launching these weapons at standoff ranges, and that any Chinese air defense systems on the mainland would be quickly and efficiently eliminated in the opening stages of a conflict.

Jiangnan Shipyard is building large destroyers 8 at a time.

Dalian Shipbuilding is building large destroyers 8 at a time.

052D has 64 VLS cells.
055 has 112 VLS cells.

That's a lot of air defense. If you're gonna attack, better do it soon. Probably should have attacked yesterday.

 

[S10]

American air force answered for the calling of Chinese officer about Taiwan issues. They will attacked China if China launchs an invasion toward Taiwan

Heh a pair of B-52s won't make it within 500km of Chinese coast during wartime without being intercepted. Long range radars can probably spot the huge targets from a thousand kilometers away. This is purely a symbolic gesture with little tactical value.

The US would be able to target facilities deep within Chinese territory using a combination of stealthy JASSM, AGM-86C/D, or Tomahawks. People seem to forget that the B-52 is capable of launching these weapons at standoff ranges, and that any Chinese air defense systems on the mainland would be quickly and efficiently eliminated in the opening stages of a conflict.

Same can be said of US bases in the first and second island chains, where they will be subjected to a barrage land-based of medium and intermediate ballistic missiles. That's not to mention cruise missiles launched from surface ships, submarines and bombers. You'd have to be a total moron to think US can eliminate Chinese air defences efficiently without suffering catastrophic losses. Serbian air defences held out for more than a month under the combined might of NATO bombardment, and they're a fraction of China's capabilities.

 

[timmy_area51]

they're gonna strike china with another pearl harbor , they can't tell the difference .

 

[lcloo]

The US would be able to target facilities deep within Chinese territory using a combination of stealthy JASSM, AGM-86C/D, or Tomahawks. People seem to forget that the B-52 is capable of launching these weapons at standoff ranges, and that any Chinese air defense systems on the mainland would be quickly and efficiently eliminated in the opening stages of a conflict.

Tell you a little open secret, these are from the Chinese defence dept, Guam is under 24 hour surveillance and any air craft that take off and lands in Guam is known instantly by the Chinese. And their flight path tracked from the moment of take-off. He didn't said how, but you can expect eyes and ears from outer space to deep oceans focusing on all US military bases, especially on the Western Pacific.

 

[gambit]

Serbian air defences held out for more than a month under the combined might of NATO bombardment, and they're a fraction of China's capabilities.

Actually, the Serbs survived because of restrictive NATO ROEs. Those who thinks -- and it looks like you are not in that camp -- understands that if the US was in charge of the air campaign over Yugoslavia, it would have been Desert Storm redux. You think China's air defenses are not mapped by US?

 

[timmy_area51]

Madeline Albright was in charge of the US f-117 nighthwaks at the time

 

[rott]

The US would be able to target facilities deep within Chinese territory using a combination of stealthy JASSM, AGM-86C/D, or Tomahawks. People seem to forget that the B-52 is capable of launching these weapons at standoff ranges, and that any Chinese air defense systems on the mainland would be quickly and efficiently eliminated in the opening stages of a conflict.

Are you seriously a Canadian? I've never read a more stupid post than this.
If what you say and you believe it to be true. Canada should appoint you as The Ministry of National Defence.

 

[Akasa]

Heh a pair of B-52s won't make it within 500km of Chinese coast during wartime without being intercepted. Long range radars can probably spot the huge targets from a thousand kilometers away. This is purely a symbolic gesture with little tactical value.

What assets do China have that can detect and engage B-52s 2000 km from the Chinese coast? Over-the-horizon radars have neither the resolution or the tracking capability to provide a firing solution to an offshore destroyer or fighters.

Same can be said of US bases in the first and second island chains, where they will be subjected to a barrage land-based of medium and intermediate ballistic missiles. That's not to mention cruise missiles launched from surface ships, submarines and bombers. You'd have to be a total moron to think US can eliminate Chinese air defences efficiently without suffering catastrophic losses. Serbian air defences held out for more than a month under the combined might of NATO bombardment, and they're a fraction of China's capabilities.

Sure, but US defenses on Guam and other Pacific islands are specifically meant to deal with such threats. BMD radars and US satellites would easily detect any IR signature coming from a Chinese ballistic missile launch and give the THAAD, SM-3, or Patriot batteries plenty of time to formulate a response.

Are you seriously a Canadian? I've never read a more stupid post than this.
If what you say and you believe it to be true. Canada should appoint you as The Ministry of National Defence.

I suggest that you put your emotions aside and go through my post again with a bit more scrutiny and attention to the points presented there.

 

[rott]

What assets do China have that can detect and engage B-52s 2000 km from the Chinese coast? Over-the-horizon radars have neither the resolution or the tracking capability to provide a firing solution to an offshore destroyer or fighters.



Sure, but US defenses on Guam and other Pacific islands are specifically meant to deal with such threats. BMD radars and US satellites would easily detect any IR signature coming from a Chinese ballistic missile launch and give the THAAD, SM-3, or Patriot batteries plenty of time to formulate a response.



I suggest that you put your emotions aside and go through my post again with a bit more scrutiny and attention to the points presented there.

Ignored for more stupidity.

 

[j20blackdragon]

The best way to launch a conventional attack in the future is not with the B-52 or any conventional turbofan-powered bomber.

You simply de-orbit GPS-guided tungsten rods from space and hit your targets at hypersonic speed. The weapon system would be pre-placed in orbit like a satellite. A weapon like this would have global reach. Even hardened underground bunkers would not survive such an attack. The hard part is to develop a reusable space launch system that is both reliable and economical.

But once you have such a launch system, you can place as many tungsten rods in orbit as you like.

Also think about the cost of the munitions. A Tomahawk cruise missile is a million dollars each. Tungsten rods would be dirt cheap in comparison.

 

[S10]

What assets do China have that can detect and engage B-52s 2000 km from the Chinese coast? Over-the-horizon radars have neither the resolution or the tracking capability to provide a firing solution to an offshore destroyer or fighters.

Sure, but US defenses on Guam and other Pacific islands are specifically meant to deal with such threats. BMD radars and US satellites would easily detect any IR signature coming from a Chinese ballistic missile launch and give the THAAD, SM-3, or Patriot batteries plenty of time to formulate a response.

I suggest that you put your emotions aside and go through my post again with a bit more scrutiny and attention to the points presented there.

http://english.chosun.com/site/data/html_dir/2017/03/14/2017031401319.html
https://spaceflightnow.com/2018/03/...e-reconnaissance-fleet-successfully-launched/

Long range radar and spy satellites enough for you? You don't think that fighter jets and AEW aircrafts would be dispatched to intercept B-52s once they're detected? You're actually stupid enough to think B-52s can achieve tactical surprise in this day and age. China's rocket forces have over a thousand missiles aimed at Taiwan alone, able to redirect their destination at any given time towards US bases in Asia. How many of those do you think you'll be able to intercept?

On the contrary, I suggest you get rid of that fantasy of yours where only Americans are able to have sophisticated network of sensors for early warning and detection. This isn't the 1990's, so feel free to pull your head out of your backside.

Actually, the Serbs survived because of restrictive NATO ROEs. Those who thinks -- and it looks like you are not in that camp -- understands that if the US was in charge of the air campaign over Yugoslavia, it would have been Desert Storm redux. You think China's air defenses are not mapped by US?

Chinese IADS is at least two generations ahead of Serbians, and apparently you think US airbases in Asia aren't monitored? I like to see how you plan to achieve surprise in an era where China has array of land, sea and space based sensors for early warning. If you think you can catch China by surprise without being bloodied, you'd be in for a rude awakening.

 

[Akasa]

http://english.chosun.com/site/data/html_dir/2017/03/14/2017031401319.html
https://spaceflightnow.com/2018/03/...e-reconnaissance-fleet-successfully-launched/

Long range radar and spy satellites enough for you? You don't think that fighter jets and AEW aircrafts would be dispatched to intercept B-52s once they're detected? You're actually stupid enough to think B-52s can achieve tactical surprise in this day and age. China's rocket forces have over a thousand missiles aimed at Taiwan alone, able to redirect their destination at any given time towards US bases in Asia. How many of those do you think you'll be able to intercept?

On the contrary, I suggest you get rid of that fantasy of yours where only Americans are able to have sophisticated network of sensors for early warning and detection. This isn't the 1990's, so feel free to pull your head out of your backside.

Please enlighten us as to how exactly a terrestrial imaging satellite would be able to detect, track, & coordinate kinetic solutions against a group of B-52 aircraft. I suggest that you review your own sources and arguments before formulating a response.

The same thing goes for your point on long-range radars. What type of radars does China have that can track a target from 2000-3000 km away and still have the resolution needed to deal with aircraft-sized targets at high speed? The sea- and land-based air surveillance radars specifically designed to detect aircraft & missiles have a range of 400-500 km, whereas the Chinese OTH radars (the only systems capable of tracking targets at 1000+ km) will not have the sufficient resolution or processing power to deal with aircraft.

You need to stop posting irrelevant links and actually name a few systems that have the capabilities you speak of. Not only would the Chinese have trouble finding a group of B-52s a few thousand kilometers from the Chinese coast, but they would also have to contend with a barrage of low-observable terrain-hugging cruise missiles.

 

[gambit]

Chinese IADS is at least two generations ahead of Serbians,...

Then it will take US a couple days longer to render it useless.

...and apparently you think US airbases in Asia aren't monitored?

Of course we are aware that China is TRYING to monitor US.

I like to see how you plan to achieve surprise in an era where China has array of land, sea and space based sensors for early warning. If you think you can catch China by surprise without being bloodied, you'd be in for a rude awakening.

By the time the PLA see it, it will be too late. Sure, we would probably be bloodied, but you WILL be defeated. Guess which is worse?

This is the constant problem for you guys on this forum -- lack of respect for history.

This is a military oriented forum, which means as a participating member, you should put mind to the military side of history. But you guys have not. You think that just because you post lots and lots of pictures of shiny new toys and cite a lot of numbers, you know what you are talking about or that you 'analyzed' when all you did was circularly affirmed your own biases.

The current version -- not generation -- of the PLA have no ties to its past. Am not talking about institutions or names. Every organization have a core mission and its execution of that core mission defines it and provides intellectual, psychological, moral, and even emotional continuity to later generations of it. The core of a military, ANY military, is warfare. You can cite the art of warfare, the skills of warfare, or the instruments of warfare. But all of those falls under the general heading of warfare. For any organization, the lack of experience in its core mission is always a negative. For the military, it is contradictory in the sense you train for war and yet hope that it never come. So you train in ways that would take you to as close to real warfare as much as possible.

For decades, your PLA deviated from its core mission as evident by its commercial interests. Your generals and admirals were, and many still ARE, essentially businessmen playing soldiers and sailors. The maximum useful term of service is approximately 30 yrs when a person, enlisted or officer, are able to contribute to the core mission, but usually that time of contribution is about 20 yrs when the physical rigors of service and time takes it toll on the body and the person is readied for a less stressful change. That means your PLA have had 3 generations of businessmen playing soldiers and sailors instead of focusing on the arts, skills, and instruments of warfare. It is no exaggeration when I said that the current PLA have no ties to its past. That is why I say the 'version' of the PLA, and not a generation because the word 'generation' implies continuity. Like father to son.

What I learned in Professional Military Education (PME) stayed with me after my service. I am a member of the Air Force Association. I am an Old Crow. I keep up with military news in general and of US airpower in specifics. In the context of the theme of this forum, you guys are nothing to me. None of you in this forum ever served so you do not know what it is like to have this kind of devotion. To you, the military is a video game. To me, and a few other Americans on this forum, it is very much a lifestyle, even if we are no long on active duty. My support for my military is real. Your 'support' for the PLA is as shallow as a puddle of piss, as in the Trump-speak: Fake News.

This version of the PLA is struggling with everything that should defines it. You do not need a Ph.D in History to see it. Just one yr will suffice. It has no arts or skills to use the shiny instruments of warfare in its hands and is struggling to learn new arts and skills. No wonder you NEED bad news about US to take your mind away from the current state of the PLA.

So in the harsh examination light of history, when compare the PLA that is led by businessmen against the US military led by combat experienced warriors, you think you can win? Of course you would think so. You have no choice. It is actually an embarrassment for you to be forced to think so.