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US airdrops supplies in east Afghanistan

Minus Russian routes... yes the only alternative would still be by air.

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US has an alternative supply route via georgia-azerbaijan- turkmenistan and/or georgia-azerbaijan-kazakastan-uzbekistan and/or georgia-azerbaijan-kazakastan-krygystan-tajikistan even if russia also blocks its supplies.You should at least read the map properly before posting.

To people who believe that an army cannot be supplied by air,i would like to point to an instance from WWII.
Britishers constructed stillwell road to supply chinese army which was fighting against japanese but in the end majority of supplies were delivered through air.
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If pakistan enforce enough cumulative(strategic and economical) cost on transit,it could become economical for americans to fly all of their supplies.
 
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US has an alternative supply route via georgia-azerbaijan- turkmenistan and/or georgia-azerbaijan-kazakastan-uzbekistan and/or georgia-azerbaijan-kazakastan-krygystan-tajikistan

You have no clue what you are talking about do you?
 
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US has an alternative supply route via georgia-azerbaijan- turkmenistan and/or georgia-azerbaijan-kazakastan-uzbekistan and/or georgia-azerbaijan-kazakastan-krygystan-tajikistan even if russia also blocks its supplies.You should at least read the map properly before posting.

To people who believe that an army cannot be supplied by air,i would like to point to an instance from WWII.
Britishers constructed stillwell road to supply chinese army which was fighting against japanese but in the end majority of supplies were delivered through air.
Ledo Road - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
If pakistan enforce enough cumulative(strategic and economical) cost on transit,it could become economical for americans to fly all of their supplies.

ISLAMABAD, Pakistan—General David Howell Petraeus, the 10th Commander of the US Central Command (CENTCOM), has negotiated, bargained and networked with Tajikistan, Turkmenistan, Uzbekistan, Azerbaijan, Armenia, Kyrgyzstan and Kazakhstan. General Petraeus, in his desperate search for an alternative supply route, went as far as Latvia.

there have also been major — strategically consequential — disappointments. Kyrgyzstan took a hefty $2 billion from Russia and in return put General Petraeus on notice to vacate the Manas Air Base (Uzbekistan had told the US to vacate the Karshi-Khanabad Air Base some four years ago).

What is General Petraeus now left with? Four things: one, Pakistan's National Highway N-5. From Karachi, Hyderabad, Moro and Khairpur a total of 671 km all of which is safe from outside attacks. N-5 then enters Multan on to Sahiwal, Lahore, Gujranwala, Gujrat, Jhelum and Rawalpindi, a total of 1,021 km all of which is safe. N-5 then crosses the Indus River into Nowshera, Peshawar and then Torkham, a total of 127 km almost all of which is extremely vulnerable. Two, Pakistan's Indus Highway or N-55. From Karachi to Peshawar via Kotri, Dadu, Shikarpur, Kashmor, Dera Ghazi Khan, Dera Ismail Khan, Lakki Marwat, Bannu, Kohat and into Peshawar. Three, Pakistan's RCD Highway or N-25. From Karachi to Chaman via Hub, Bela, Khuzdar, Quetta to Chamman and then into Kandahar; a total of 813 km almost all of it is secure except for when it crosses the border into Afghanistan (there has been a recent connection to Gwadar). Four, Pakistani refineries producing most of the jet fuel for NATO forces.

Last but not least, most of the mentioned are members of the SCO.
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Who do you think they will listen to China and Russia or America? So yes, better stick to expensive air mailing and Georgia would be a questionable option considering the sea route is blocked by both Iran and Turkmenistan. If America wants easy and secured access, they have a lot of convincing and explaining to do. Please learn to read the map properly and learn the relations they have with Russia, China and Pakistan. All the hassle just to get secure access and sufficient supplies into Afghanistan will not incur additional cost? Trust it would be easier and more effective when they had Pakistan and Russia on its side :azn:
 
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Good lord!

Have the Indians taken leave of their senses again?

This airdrop is from within Afghanistan; Pakistani blockade affects supplies into Afghanistan. And this Indian blabbering about supplies being flown in, not through Pakistan or NDN, is moronic to the max. Do these Indians think supplies are dropped straight from space? Those planes need flyover rights over the countries in transit and those flyover rights are also subject to approval by Pakistan or Russia.
 
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Good lord!

Have the Indians taken leave of their senses again?

This airdrop is from within Afghanistan; Pakistani blockade affects supplies into Afghanistan. And this Indian blabbering about supplies being flown in, not through Pakistan or NDN, is moronic to the max. Do these Indians think supplies are dropped straight from space? Those planes need flyover rights over the countries in transit and those flyover rights are also subject to approval by Pakistan or Russia.

:lol::lol::lol:

Bharatis are what you call 'Bholas'. They think they're utterly smart and know what they're talking about, but you know deep down that they're morons who have no idea what they're saying.
 
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Last but not least, most of the mentioned are members of the SCO.

Who do you think they will listen to China and Russia or America? So yes, better stick to expensive air mailing and Georgia would be a questionable option considering the sea route is blocked by both Iran and Turkmenistan. If America wants easy and secured access, they have a lot of convincing and explaining to do. Please learn to read the map properly and learn the relations they have with Russia, China and Pakistan. All the hassle just to get secure access and sufficient supplies into Afghanistan will not incur additional cost? Trust it would be easier and more effective when they had Pakistan and Russia on its side :azn:

Anyway, you Chinese can't block American supply route because that is not your territory and whole world know Chinese support American war in Afghanistan because China think that Uighur militants are related to Al-Qaida and abrupt US withdrawal would intensify militants in Xinjiang. :rofl:

Also, Russians still allowing the supply route to Americans because they have same common interest of keeping Afghanistan free from militants safe-heaven particularly the Chechan insurgents. Russian allowed Americans to use Northern Distribution Network just months after South-Ossetia war in 2009 when US-Russia tensions were at peak. Last month on 11 Nov 2011 Vladimir Putin admired US role in stablizing Afghanistan.

Uzbeks, Kazakhs, Tajiks self interest are not what you are trying to prove. They are Afghanistan immediate neighbours and always fear that militant takeover of Afghanistan will spill over in their country. Iranians care more about Shia Hazaras as Taliban regime did widespread slaughtering of these people.
 
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Everyone underestimates our airdrop capabilities.

The C-130 Hercules, operated by its crew from the 451st Air Expeditionary Wing at Kandahar Airfield, Afghanistan, airdropped 18,000 pounds of fuel to Oklahoma Army National Guard Soldiers of the 1st Battalion, 279th Infantry, using the Joint Precision Airdrop System while high above the reach of enemy weapons.

Dropped at 17,000 feet, the AGU navigated the bundles to the center of the drop zone.Utilizing airdrops with the GPS-guided parachutes allows us that avenue to use in case we can't get resupplied by helicopters or vehicles by the road, which is a typical case come winter.

Quoting myself. Read again geniuses.

As for airspace and supply routes......i hear they have already set up alternates inorder to compensate.
 
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November 30, 2011 | 0338 GMT
By George Friedman

Days after the Pakistanis closed their borders to the passage of fuel and supplies for the NATO-led war effort in Afghanistan, for very different reasons the Russians threatened to close the alternative Russia-controlled Northern Distribution Network (NDN). The dual threats are significant even if they don’t materialize. If both routes are cut, supplying Western forces operating in Afghanistan becomes impossible. Simply raising the possibility of cutting supply lines forces NATO and the United States to recalculate their position in Afghanistan.

The Pakistani decision to close the border crossings at Torkham near the Khyber Pass and Chaman followed a U.S. attack on a Pakistani position inside Pakistan’s tribal areas near the Afghan border that killed some two-dozen Pakistani soldiers. The Pakistanis have been increasingly opposed to U.S. operations inside Pakistani territory. This most recent incident took an unprecedented toll, and triggered an extreme response . The proximate reason for the reaction is obvious; the ultimate reason for the suspension also is relatively simple. The Pakistani government believes NATO, and the United States in particular, will fail to bring the war in Afghanistan to a successful conclusion. It follows that the United States and other NATO countries at some point will withdraw.

Some in Afghanistan have claimed that the United States has been defeated, but that is not the case. The United States may have failed to win the war, but it has not been defeated in the sense of being compelled to leave by superior force.

Pakistan has closed supply lines as a punitive measure before . Torkham was closed for 10 straight days in October 2010 in response to a U.S. airstrike that killed several Pakistani soldiers, and trucks at the southern Chaman crossing were “administratively delayed,” according to the Pakistanis
This time, however, Pakistan is signaling that matters are more serious. Uncertainty over these supply lines is what drove the United States to expend considerable political capital to arrange the alternative NDN.

This alternative depends on Russia. It transits Russian territory and airspace and much of the former Soviet sphere, stretching as far as the Baltic Sea — at great additional expense compared to the Pakistani supply route. This alternative is viable, as it would allow sufficient supplies to flow to support NATO operations. Indeed, over recent months it has become the primary line of supply, and reliance upon it is set to expand. At present, 48 percent of NATO supplies still go through Pakistan; 52 percent of NATO supplies come through NDN (non-lethal); 60 percent of all fuel comes through the NDN; and by the end of the year, the objective is for 75 percent of all non-lethal supplies to transit the NDN

Therefore, Dmitri Rogozin’s threat that Russia might suspend these supply lines threatens the viability of all Western operations in Afghanistan. Rogozin, the Russian envoy to NATO, has been known to make extreme statements. But when he makes those statements, he makes them with the full knowledge and authorization of the Russian leadership. Though he is used to making statements that the leadership might want to back away from, it is not unusual for him to signal new directions in Russian policy . This means the U.S. and NATO militaries responsible for sustaining operations in Afghanistan cannot afford to dismiss the threat. No matter how small the probability, it places more than 100,000 U.S. and allied troops in a vulnerable position.

For the Russians, the issue is the development and deployment of U.S. ballistic missile defenses in Europe. The Russians oppose the deployment, arguing it represents a threat to the Russian nuclear deterrent and therefore threatens the nuclear balance. This was certainly the reason the Soviets opposed the initial Strategic Defense Initiative in the 1980s. Carrying it forward to the 2010s, however, and the reasoning appears faulty. First, there is no nuclear balance at the moment, as there is no political foundation for nuclear war.Nevertheless, the Russians vehemently opposed the system, threatening to deploy Iskander short-range ballistic missiles and even tactical nuclear weapons in Kaliningrad and other locations in response. The Russian concern is obviously real, but it is difficult to believe it is the nuclear balance they are concerned about. Rather, it is the geopolitical implications of placing BMD infrastructure in Central Europe.

The Russians see the inclusion of other military forces at the locations of the interceptor and radar deployment as creating a belt of nations designed to contain Russia. Given the uncertain future of Europe and the increasing relative power of Russia in the region, the United States has an interest in making certain any disruption in Europe doesn’t give the Russians opportunities to extend their political influence.

The Russians have threatened actions for years, and in the past few weeks they have become increasingly vocal on the subject of BMD and on threats. Rogozin obviously was ordered to seize on the vulnerability created by the Pakistani move and introduced the now-indispensible NDN as a point where the Russians could bring pressure, knowing it is the one move the United States cannot tolerate at the moment. Whether they intend to shut down the supply line is questionable. Doing so would cause a huge breach with the United States, and to this point the Russians have been relatively cautious in challenging fundamental U.S. interests. Moreover, the Russians are worried about any instability in Afghanistan that might threaten their sphere of influence in Central Asia. However, the Russians are serious about not permitting a new containment line to be created, and therefore may be shifting their own calculations.


It is a rule of war that secure strategic supply lines are the basis of warfare. If you cannot be certain of supplying your troops, it is necessary to redeploy to more favorable positions. The loss of supply lines at some point creates a vulnerability that in military history leads to the annihilation of forces. It is something that can be risked when major strategic interests require it, but it is a dangerous maneuver. The Russians are raising the possibility that U.S. forces could be isolated in Afghanistan. Supply lines into the landlocked country never have been under U.S. or NATO control. All supplies must come in through third countries (less than a third of American supplies come by air, and those mostly through Russian airspace), and their willingness to permit transit is the foundation of U.S. strategy.The United States and NATO have been exposed as waging a war that depended on the willingness of first Pakistan and now increasingly Russia to permit the movement of supplies through their respective territories. Were they both to suspend that privilege, the United States would face the choice of going to war to seize supply lines — something well beyond U.S. conventional capacity at this time — or to concede the war. Anytime a force depends on the cooperation of parties not under its control to sustain its force, it is in danger.

Pakistan, Russia and the Threat to the Afghan War | STRATFOR
 
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Minus Russian routes... yes the only alternative would still be by air.

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Yes but the air belongs to someone as well. They can't go through OUR air.

Tell you what. America can first ship the goods to the moon. Then when the Moon and Afghanistan align, they can shoot a rocket straight to Kabul.

That route can't be stopped. Unless Aliens intervene of course.
 
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Quoting myself. Read again geniuses.

As for airspace and supply routes......i hear they have already set up alternates inorder to compensate.

And the alternates are?

A genius here previously said they go through Muscat, some do, very little, but how do they go into Afghanistan? Definitely not through Iran, now the Pakistani route is also blocked, so above whom would you fly them?

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Yes but the air belongs to someone as well. They can't go through OUR air.

Tell you what. America can first ship the goods to the moon. Then when the Moon and Afghanistan align, they can shoot a rocket straight to Kabul.

That route can't be stopped. Unless Aliens intervene of course.

Better still, rogue aliens, and they somehow , miraculously, have a ISI dogtag on them!!
 
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Anyway, you Chinese can't block American supply route because that is not your territory and whole world know Chinese support American war in Afghanistan because China think that Uighur militants are related to Al-Qaida and abrupt US withdrawal would intensify militants in Xinjiang. :rofl:

Also, Russians still allowing the supply route to Americans because they have same common interest of keeping Afghanistan free from militants safe-heaven particularly the Chechan insurgents. Russian allowed Americans to use Northern Distribution Network just months after South-Ossetia war in 2009 when US-Russia tensions were at peak. Last month on 11 Nov 2011 Vladimir Putin admired US role in stablizing Afghanistan.

Uzbeks, Kazakhs, Tajiks self interest are not what you are trying to prove. They are Afghanistan immediate neighbours and always fear that militant takeover of Afghanistan will spill over in their country. Iranians care more about Shia Hazaras as Taliban regime did widespread slaughtering of these people.

You forgot about the SCO, its framework and what they are there for? You are a sorry sight and I pitty you my friend :lol:

America is doing precisely what you are trying to defend them of. They have crippled and removed the stability of Afghanistan making it a more dangerous place and is trying to drive so-called terrorists into other countries. The sooner they are forced out the better. We will then have China, Russia, Pakistan, Iran and co tightening up the borders and see peace restored to Afghanistan.

I suggest you learn more about your neighbouring countries as well as the SCO, the geography and keep up with the politics. Only remembering about last year will not make you appear any more clever. I understand why you are butthurt about this, without American presence in that particular part of the region, you will not have a place to stand there nor do you want to see a peaceful Pakistan and China.

If you find the border and Xinjiang issues funny, then I feel sorry for you, you have evolved from what could have been a normal human being to one that is constantly living in fear, jealousy, hate and has nothing constructive nor positive to offer to the community here. We can all see that you are struggling to overcome your inferiority complex:)
 
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Good lord!

Have the Indians taken leave of their senses again?

This airdrop is from within Afghanistan; Pakistani blockade affects supplies into Afghanistan.

This what Indians are telling your fellow Pakistanis. You could have read their post before jumping in for those pin heads.

And this Indian blabbering about supplies being flown in, not through Pakistan or NDN, is moronic to the max. Do these Indians think supplies are dropped straight from space? Those planes need flyover rights over the countries in transit and those flyover rights are also subject to approval by Pakistan or Russia.

And Pakistan hasn't enforced blockade of air space, you wouldn't know a squat what they are flying over your heads. So tell your Pakistanis stop making assumptions on something which hasn't happened.
 
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Last but not least, most of the mentioned are members of the SCO.
541px-SCO_(orthographic_projection).svg.png

Who do you think they will listen to China and Russia or America? So yes, better stick to expensive air mailing and Georgia would be a questionable option considering the sea route is blocked by both Iran and Turkmenistan. If America wants easy and secured access, they have a lot of convincing and explaining to do. Please learn to read the map properly and learn the relations they have with Russia, China and Pakistan. All the hassle just to get secure access and sufficient supplies into Afghanistan will not incur additional cost? Trust it would be easier and more effective when they had Pakistan and Russia on its side :azn:

I hope Pakistan becomes a member state of SCO very soon.

:pakistan: :china:
 
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