US aircraft carrier group deployed for ‘routine patrols’ in S. China Sea

[antonius123]

The question is, how do you know which way the US is coming from?

You need to intercept and shoot down the US fighter, before that, you will need to know where they are coming from? China have a very big coast, which mean you need to spread thin the asset to cover all the coast, when your defense spread thin, you cannot concentrate your work, meaning you cannot concentrate your attack on the incoming US force.

Simple! You want to attack Beijing, you will have to fly fighters and bombers from Korea, or Okinawa.

Once US start to accumulate her machine wars in Osan/Okinawa, soon China is putting her eye on those bases.

Guam, Japan, South Korean if you want close range
Singapore, Diego Garcia which is out of Chinese DF-whatever range
Australia and Hawaii if you want to be totally out of Chinese reach

You want to fly drones and F22 to Beijing from Singapore/Australia/Hawaii?

You do know average airfield repair take 6 hours to repair a runway to serviceable status. Combat engineer will fix a runway within 6 hours.

In a war between how long you can keep launching missile to keep those base out of commission and how quickly the ground engineer can fix the runway, the ground engineer will always win.

Let alone can DF-26 really be able to take out these airfield? Do bear in mind SLBM or IRBM does not just exist now, we have been fighting with our airfield in range of both IRBM and SLBM before, what make you think Chinese DF-26 or DF-21 is any better than Scud or Saber?

If the engineers and tools to repair are still alive. 6 hours is enough for China to send numerous DF-26 to single airbase nearby. Not to mention sending J-16 to clean up the airfield.

first of all, you can never blinded US satellite completely, there are more than 3000 US satellite orbiting the world at any moment, to blind the US completely, you will need to take down at least 90% of those and in theory, if there are 5 satellite remaining in different LOS position on earth orbit, the GPS system can still be continue. Only a few of them the Chinese can reach, the other are in high orbit which is outside the ASBM range.

3000 GPS satellites? Are you sure? Please check!!

China doesn't need to kill all GPS satellites circling the earth.

Yes, you may not be able to watch world series live during a Chinese-US war, but the military will still have their satellite.

Also, age of flight begin before GPS, how do people go where they want to go, bomb drop where they want to drop before 1990? Or did we not fight war with Air Force before GPS and not use bomb before GPS? Even without GPS, we have a lot of option. IRS, INS, Beam Riding, LATRIN POD and so on.

That's why the war took years and tolls.

Why do US need to station their Carrier 1500km from Chinese Coast?
When their aircraft non-refuel operational range is 3000-4000 km away?

The same question : why US need carriers?

Why did US not use Germany base to attack Iraq instead of Kuwait/Saudi/Italy base or carriers in gulf?

And from where the US will fly the refueling tankers to attack China?

Also, how do you suppose the Chinese sub and Surface ship not being destroyed by US Navy to begin with?

IF sea war happen, that means there won't surprise attack to Beijing anymore.

Once sea war happen, China will be ready to launch DF-26 aimed to carriers and US air bases, and prepare hundred of fighter to fly to attack US carriers.

That is because you are still looking at the whole defense as a single thing.

You do not count the time for Chinese force to redeploy elsewhere to another area once the previous area have fallen. Your unit cannot teleport, your tank cannot appear in Beijing from heibe out of thin air. You need time to transport the tank from one location to another, and when you start transferring these asset, that is where they are more vulnerable.

In case of a defensive line is broken, it will take time for China to regroup and redeploy to a second or third defense line, but for the attacking US troop, they don't need to regroup as they are already in the same spot at the same area. Does that make sense to you?

LOLs. You are dreaming to send tanks and troops before wiping out whole Chinese defence system? That is suicidal. Don't you learn from Iraq war?

China don't need to redeploy army/airforce to Beijing if Beijing has fallen, what she need to do is to ensure that US fighter and bombers after their first sortie cannot go back to their bases! Your empty F-22 and B22 may not be able to return to Guam/Okinawa due to simultaneous attack by DF-26 to those base + those defenseless us planes will be easily chased and shot down by J-10/J-11B from other Chinese air bases.

You keep saying China can and will destroy this US carrier or that US base, but what you discounting is what if you don't? Or I can also say the US can destroy any defensive measure without giving a reason.

A war does not fight because you think or you say you are going to have to destroy this and that or what weapon you can use this or that and the enemy will be gone. In war, it is never going to be like that. Of course when we are talking about it, yes DF-21 IF THEY CAN OPERATE LIKE THEY CLAIM, it would be undefeatable, but can they work in what they original intent is one thing, how the US is going to tackle it is another.

You also failed to understand the whole battlefield management concept. You expect one part of Chinese defense will be able to engage another part of US invasion force. What if that part of the defense are also being engage to being with? Or is facing a possible invasion so they are going to have to blog down and cannot move?

I've told you US will be outnumbered, that is more than enough.

If hundreds of DF-21D, DF-26, supersonic missiles, submarines, aegis still failed to sink US carriers (which is small possibility); there will be hundreds of J-10, J-11B, J-20 that the us carriers need to face, and all f-18 will be outnumbered easily.

The time for China to mobilize and accumulate their fighter and defence system should be less than that US need to mobilize her fighter and carriers to attack China.

You should go back and study how US win in Desert Strom and how they uses statics and mobile offensive edge to defeat the numerical superior Iraqi force. Also, don't buy into superweapon. Again, if they are really that good, do you think the American or Russian is stupid? If they are really that good, would Russian and American be already devoted enough resource into it? again, just because you make good missile which is better than US on paper does not mean they are wonder weapon, that just mean you have that, and the enemy don't think they need that. Or do you really think missile technology is really some rocket science that US have problem developing?

LOL. If you understand US tactic in desert storm, you won't be thinking of sending tanks and troops before all enemy's defense system is down!

You can discount China DF-21D, DF-26, anti satellites, etc, still US will have small chance to win war within Chinese territory not only because China massive territory but also her defense system that out number US by far. You are fool if you think China is comparable with Iraq.

What is the different though?

Would an Iraqi or Afghani bullet hit you and you won't die? Would an Iraqi missile or Afghani RPG hit you and you will survive? but You will only die because of a Chinese bullet and your tank and APC only destroy if they got hit by a Chinese missile?

We are talking about how war is fought, equipment yes, they have their fail rate or their advantage or technological advancement too, but the use of equipment is always evolve around how you fight, not the other way around.

Have you been in war and fought the Iraqi and Afghani? And know they are absolutely shit? Are they really poor farmer in AKs? Do bear in mind, even an Ak, if they were given to different people, they will have different use, so can you really discount Iraqi and Afghani is not as the same league to the Chinese?

How about the US, Iran and Russia? Afghanistan have been in war with both US and Russian, are they rubbish too? So if the afghan and iraqi can withstand these operation, what do you think they are different then the Chinese? Or do you really think Chinese can do better?

buddy, you are talking about something you can't possibly know, and that, is a mistake.

Does Iraq has HQ-9/S-300/S-400, anti satellites, aegis, strong submarine, intercontinental missiles, satellites - advanced radar - AWACS and command system? How many fighters did Iraq have? Were they comparable to US both quantity and quality?

I am discounting DF-21D, supersonic missiles, anti stealth radar, etc.

 

[jhungary]

Simple! You want to attack Beijing, you will have to fly fighters and bombers from Korea, or Okinawa.

Once US start to accumulate her machine wars in Osan/Okinawa, soon China is putting her eye on those bases.

You think?

Same thing people say when we attack Iraq in Operation Desert Storm, if you want to liberate Kuwait, you will need to launch your offensive from Saudi Arabia. Remind me where do the US launch the offensive from?

You do know, Aircraft can fly, right? There are no fix vector for an aircraft to fly in order to attack some place.

You want to fly drones and F22 to beijing from Singapore/Australia/Hawwai?

Why not? Not like we cannot refuel F-22 mid-air. You do know US flew sortie from Aviano In Italy and in Sardinia to support combat operation in Iraq. Which one is longer do you think? Aviano AB Italy to Iraq or Singapore or Australia to South China Seas? (It's Aviano to Iraq, at 3700 mile vs Australia to SCS at 2700 mile)

If the engineers and tools to repair are still alive. 6 hours is enough for china to send numerous DF-26 to single airbase nearby. Not to mention sending J-16 to clean up the airfield.

How many missile you have in stock? How many sorties you can keep up with your J-16? Hell, How many J-16 you have? You can keep sending missile and J-16 to bomb the runway, a crater is a crater, just because you bomb it 30 times, that does not mean they cannot be repaired. You do know that once you have 6 hours window, you can repair your runway to serviceable condition.
So my question is.

How many DF-Whatever missile you have in stock. How many Bomb you have in stock, How many J-16 you have in stock to keep bombing the airfield in Andersen AFB, Misawa AFB, Yokota AFB, Kadena AFB, Sasebo NAS, Yokosuka NAS, Atsugi NAS, Wake Field AFB, Kusan AFB, Osan AFB, Chinhae NAS and about 117 other US installation in Japan, South Korea and Guam? That is before we also counting US Bases in Singapore, Australia, Indian Ocean

How many missile or bomb you got? 1 million? You will need 6 bombs or 6 missile to disable an airfield (1 on tower, 1 on apron, 2 on each end of each runways and usually an airfield have 2 runways, that make 6), let's just count major airfield for fun. 6 bombs/missile per airfield every 8 hours (let's give more time the Chinese to work on) on 11 major location. That 11x 3 x 6 = 198 missile or bomb per day. 30 days would mean 5940 missile or bomb you will need to make the airfield out of commission 24/7 for a month..

3000 GPS satelits? are you sure? Please check!!

There are more than 6600 launch life time, around 3600 still in operation, you can check any scientific journal yourself.

China doesnt need to kill all GPS sats circling the earth.

Then it won't work, as long as you can have 5 satellite orbiting the earth at (N, S, E, W and above or below earth)
The satellite network would still works.

Thats why the war took years and tolls.

But then it will still works. And lost will be able to replace with ease in the US as the war is on the other side of the Pacific. Would you think China can still turn out aircraft or ship as usual when they are at war with the US inside Chinese Circle?

The same question : why US need carriers? Why did not US use Germany base to attack iraq instad of kuwait/saudi/italy base?

And from where the us will fly the refuel tanker in case attack china?

Why we still need carrier? It is a mobile strike force, so you don't know where to expect the strike force is going to strike. in fact, the further the US launch their sorties the better as you don't have over the horizon ISTAR capability in China, you cannot detect incoming until it reaches Chinese coast.

Singapore, Diego Garcia, Australia, Hawaii if not Guam, Wake Island AFB Japan or South Korean Airfield.

IF sea war happen, that means there wont surprise attack to beijing anymore.

Once sea war happen, China will be ready to launch DF-26 aimed to carriers and us air bases.

Is your DF-26 float in open ocean? If Sea Battle started it would be in the open ocean, we don't need to get close to your DF-whatever launcher to attack your launcher, we can send plane, missile, sub on it. The same to any other asset. Why you always think the US need to get close to your range to engage you? That thought is quite naive

LOLs. You are dreaming to send tanks before wiping out whole chinese defence system? that is suicidal. Dont you learn from Iraq war?

dude, what the hell are you talking about, Tank is an offensive weapon, you launch tank to destroy defensive system in China, or what you think we launch to fight a war in China, if the defense system is already been wipe out, what the hell do we send in the tank for?? Killing Chinese Civilian by rolling over them?

Tank was the FIRST thing that roll into Iraq in Iraq war, you heard of the 3ID thunder run from Kuwait to Baghdad? I was on that run with the 3ID.

What the hell are you talking about??

China dont need to redeploy army/airfoce to Beijing if beijing has fallen, what she need to do is to ensure that US fighter cannot go back to their bases! Your empty F-22 and B22 may not be able to returned to Guam/Okinawa due to simultant attack by DF-26 to those base + those planes chased by J-11B from other chinese base.

So, F-22 don't engage your J-11B or we only have plane to go for a one way trips? Dude, you are funny to assume that. So yes, Basically B-2 and F-22 are useless, they will be shot down once they finish their mission, they don't have self defense capability. Oh, and F-22 and F-35 don't have missile to protect themselves. And no, all the aircraft cannot be refuel and land somewhere else when the airfield they belong to damaged, they have to land on a damaged runway.

lol, I was being sarcastic

Also, B-2 don't need to reach Chinese mainland to launch JASSM. Your DF-whatever series will be the first to go before you can launch a missile.

I've told you US will be outnumbered, that is more than enough.

If DF-21D, DF-26, supersonic missiles, submarines, aegis failed to sink US carriers (which is small possibility); there will be hundreds of J-10, J-11B, J-20 that the carriers need to face, and all f-18 will be outnumbered easilly.

I am gonna take a book out of your chapter

DF-21 and Df-26 will be destroyed before missile being fired by a combine F-22/UCAV strike and 20 B-2 strike
204 J-10, 110 J-11, 10 J-20 will be destroyed by 437 F-15. 1060 F-16, 187 F22 and 243 F-35 on air and in the ground.

All 12 Type 52D will be destroyed by combine of 75 Aegis Destroyer.
The single CV you called Liaoning will be gangbanged by 10 carrier battle group
Chinese Submarine will be hunt down like a dog with a combination of CGS and P-8 Poseidon and P-3 Orion
All other Chinese surface shipping (the other 20 destroyer, gunboats) will be gangbanged by 43 Los Angeles Class, 12 Virginia Class, 12 Ohio Class submarine.

There, happy? So, tell me who outnumber who?

LOL. If you understand US tactic in desert storm, you wont be thinking sending tanks before all enemy's defense system down!

Again, what the tank going to do if all the defense system down? What you said does not make any sense.

You can discount China DF-21D, still US will have small chance to win war within Chinese teritory not only because China massive teritory but also her defense system that out number US by far. You are fool if you think China is comparable with Iraq.

And you are a fool to think Iraq is any less than China.

At least in Iraq, they have been fighting for 30 + years, when did Chinese last fought? to Die gloriously under US and UN machine Gun over in Korea or try and fail invasion to North Vietnam? Dude, even Iraq can win a peer to what we called Iran and Afghanistan even won over Soviet Union. in my book, IRAQ and AFGHANISTAN is BETTER than Chinese armed force.

 

[antonius123]

What make you think that just because China have newer weapons that make them invulnerable to tactics ? Because they have different letters and scarier names ?

By your own reasoning, the fact that China have not been battle tested AT ALL should be a warning. Instead, you cheered. But then, it will be Chinese blood that will be spilled, not yours. So what do you care ?

Tell me what is the effective tactic that US will use to down Beijing?

China has tested her anti satellites and SAM successfully. She win against US and Russia in Turkey tender.

Kid, when I was on the F-111, we planned our flights to Moscow without GPS. That skill is not abandoned.

Do you think you can paralyzed Beijing defence system by single sortie and without help of GPS?

Even you will be lucky if you can survive HQ-9 and S-300 in the first sortie; but don't expect the same with the second one and so on.

@jhungary, I still need to finish my paper work. See you tomorrow

 

[samsara]

Not sure whether this is simply a propaganda-ridden news; a reviving/recycling of the old news or something with substance... anyhow ZeroHedge just carries following ROTHSCHILD-owned London-based REUTERS news circulation:

REUTERS via ZeroHedge, 2017-02-22

In China's latest test of the US response to its escalating claims of islands in the South China Sea, REUTERS reports that Beijing has "nearly finished building almost two dozen structures on artificial islands in the South China Sea that appear designed to house long-range surface-to-air missiles." Predictably, such a development will likely raise questions about whether and how the United States will respond, given its vows to take a tough line on China in the South China Sea. The structures appear to be 20 meters long and 10 meters high.

Official cited by REUTERS said the new structures were likely to house surface-to-air missiles that would expand China's air defense umbrella over the islands. They did not give a time line on when they believed China would deploy missiles on the islands. "It certainly raises the tension," Poling said. "The Chinese have gotten good at these steady increases in their capabilities."

Building the concrete structures with retractable roofs on Subi, Mischief and Fiery Cross reefs, part of the Spratly Islands chain where China already has built military-length airstrips, could be considered a military escalation, the U.S. officials said in recent days, speaking on condition of anonymity. "It is not like the Chinese to build anything in the South China Sea just to build it, and these structures resemble others that house SAM batteries, so the logical conclusion is that's what they are for," said a U.S. intelligence official, referring to surface-to-air missiles.

Greg Poling, a South China Sea expert at the Center for Strategic and International Studies in Washington, said in a December report that China apparently had installed weapons, including anti-aircraft and anti-missile systems, on all seven of the islands it has built in the South China Sea.

On Tuesday, the Philippines said Southeast Asian countries saw China's installation of weapons in the South China Sea as "very unsettling" and have urged dialogue to stop an escalation of "recent developments." Philippine Foreign Secretary Perfecto Yasay did not say what provoked the concern but said the 10-member Association of South East Asian Nations, or ASEAN, hoped China and the United States would ensure peace and stability.

A Pentagon spokesman said the United States remained committed to "non-militarization in the South China Sea" and urged all claimants to take actions consistent with international law. In Beijing, Chinese Foreign Ministry spokesman Geng Shuang said on Wednesday he was aware of the report, though did not say if China was planning on placing missiles on the reefs. "China carrying out normal construction activities on its own territory, including deploying necessary and appropriate territorial defense facilities, is a normal right under international law for sovereign nations," he told reporters.

Tillerson told the Senate Foreign Relations Committee that China's building of islands and putting military assets on them was "akin to Russia's taking Crimea" from Ukraine. In his written responses to follow-up questions, he softened his language, saying that in the event of an unspecified "contingency," the United States and its allies "must be capable of limiting China's access to and use of" those islands to pose a threat.

A U.S. intelligence official said that while the structures do not pose a significant military threat to U.S. forces in the region, given their visibility and vulnerability, the construction is a political test of how the Trump administration would respond, he said. "The logical response would also be political – something that should not lead to military escalation in a vital strategic area," the official said.

Chas Freeman, a China expert and former assistant secretary of defense, said he was inclined to view such installations as serving a military purpose - bolstering China's claims against those of other nations - rather than a political signal to the United States. "There is a tendency here in Washington to imagine that it's all about us, but we are not a claimant in the South China Sea," Freeman said. "We are not going to challenge China's possession of any of these land features in my judgment. If that's going to happen, it's going to be done by the Vietnamese, or ... the Filipinos ... or the Malaysians, who are the three counter-claimants of note."

He said it was an "unfortunate, but not (an) unpredictable development."

The latest escalation over territorial claims in the contested area comes days after the US resumed "routine" aircraft carrier patrols in the South China Sea, a decision which China yesterday slammed as "threatening and dangerous."

For now, the Trump administration - after vocally challenging China's geopolitical ambitions in the contested maritime areas - has not provided a diplomatic response to China's "tests" of its resolve.

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"In China's latest test of the US response to its escalating claims of islands in the South China Sea, REUTERS reports..."

TYPICAL SPINS by the Western corporate media, it's China that tests the USA in the South China Sea, China's backyard waters and done to USA, a non-claimant... when in fact it's the USA that tests China's patience by arrogantly showing off its military muscles in one's own neighborhood, just the same display as it's doing in the Baltic Sea and Black Sea.



I wanna see how long and how intensive the US can maintain its "routine" patrol in the South China Sea by its CSG cuz the operating bills are not cheap, it's something that vaporizes into the thin air when such operation is not able to deter China from doing what it wanna do in those islands. So while China is getting something real in developing those islands the US will be simply burning out its resources... LOL

I'll give this pompous & fanfare showdown three to six month lifetime! Let's monitor together then

 

[antonius123]

@jhungary, your scenario will work if US can deploy her machine war massively in Korea/Japan & Guam, and all carriers brought together to China coast, comparable with China in term of quantity.

You mentioned hundred of drones, do you think China doesn't have massive number of advance drones as well?? Where the massive US drones will be deployed from? Hawaii? Do you think Hawaii to Beijing is the same as from Italy to Iraq? ridiculous

Your F-22 + drone will destroy DF-21D? how? F-22 + drone will face HQ-9 before have chance to attack DF21 battery. China will detect the first sortie of F22 & drones and soon shot down US GPS before those F22 can reach Beijing. You are dreaming!

You yourself said US tanks and troops in Beijing, US won't send troops and tanks to Beijing before all Chinese defense system down. Learn from desert storm please.

I will explain in more detail tomorrow, see you tomorrow

 

[Solomon2]

“China has indisputable sovereignty over the South China Sea islands and their adjacent waters,” China's Foreign Ministry spokesman Geng Shuang said Wednesday. “China respects and upholds the freedom of navigation and overflight in the South China Sea which countries enjoy under international law, but firmly opposes any country’s attempt to undermine China’s sovereignty and security in the name of the freedom of navigation and overflight.”

Despite the warning, US patrols got underway in the disputed waters -

RT misrepresenting what G.S. said, though RT gets credit for providing source link. Here's the full quote from G.S. in response to the relevant question:

China has indisputable sovereignty over the South China Sea islands and their adjacent waters. China respects and upholds the freedom of navigation and overflight in the South China Sea which countries enjoy under international law, but firmly opposes any country's attempt to undermine China's sovereignty and security in the name of the freedom of navigation and overflight. Thanks to the concerted efforts of China and ASEAN countries, the situation in the South China Sea is getting steady and moving in a positive direction. We hope that countries outside the region will respect efforts made by China and ASEAN countries, and join the endeavour to sustain the positive momentum. We also urge the US to refrain from challenging China's sovereignty and security and to respect regional countries' efforts to maintain peace and stability in the South China Sea.​

Translation: tensions are going down, not up, and China is now fine with the current scope of U.S. patrols of the SCS. (Note that the spokesman carefully refrained from claiming sovereignty over ALL South China Sea waters and islands and left undefined what "adjacent" means. )

 

[BHarwana]

RT misrepresenting what G.S. said, though RT gets credit for providing source link. Here's the full quote from G.S. in response to the relevant question:

China has indisputable sovereignty over the South China Sea islands and their adjacent waters. China respects and upholds the freedom of navigation and overflight in the South China Sea which countries enjoy under international law, but firmly opposes any country's attempt to undermine China's sovereignty and security in the name of the freedom of navigation and overflight. Thanks to the concerted efforts of China and ASEAN countries, the situation in the South China Sea is getting steady and moving in a positive direction. We hope that countries outside the region will respect efforts made by China and ASEAN countries, and join the endeavour to sustain the positive momentum. We also urge the US to refrain from challenging China's sovereignty and security and to respect regional countries' efforts to maintain peace and stability in the South China Sea.
Translation: tensions are going down, not up, and China is now fine with the current scope of U.S. patrols of the SCS. (Note that the spokesman carefully refrained from claiming sovereignty over ALL South China Sea waters and islands and left undefined what "adjacent" means. )

If I was you I would not mess with the Dragon and please I liked you previous Israeli Flag get back in your orignal colors.

 

[nang2]

Why is this a news? US has been doing that all the time for many many years.

 

[BHarwana]

Why is this a news? US has been doing that all the time for many many years.

An attempt by Indian and make USA go to war with China by typing comments from a keyboard.

 

[jhungary]

@jhungary, your scenario will work if US can deploy her machine war massively in Korea/Japan & Guam, and all carriers brought together to china coast, comparable with China in term quantity.

Okay, then you are not as crazy as I thought, then why do you think China can deploy all her force in one area?

You mentioned hundred of drones, do you think China doesnt have massive number of advance drones as well?? Where the massive US drones will be departed from? Hawaii? Do you think Hawaii to Beijing is the same as from Italy to Iraq? ridiculous

Again

Aviano - Iraq - 3700 mile
Singapore to SCS -2700 mile

Drone can took flight anywhere, you do know you don't need an airfield to launch a drone, you can launch them in the street corner in Guam, Over a highway in Japan. or over a grass field in Korea, take your picks. Or you are claiming you will destroy every street, highway, grass field and meadow in Guam, Korea and Japan

Your F-22 + drone will destroy DF-21D? how? F-22 + drone will face HQ-9 before have chance to attack DF21 battery. China will detect the first sortie of F22 & drones and soon shot down US GPS before those F22 can reach Beijing. You are dreaming!

Again, can you shoot down all 3600 satellite? Nope, you cannot physically and logically. It's naïve to think GPS system will be down, on the other hand Chinese only have 80 Satellite and it's totally doable for the USN to destroy the beido network.

lol F-22 being shot down by HQ-9, looks like you are the one that's dreaming.

You yourself said US tanks and troops in Beijjing, US wont send troops and tanks to Beijing before all chinese defense system down. LEarn from desert storm please.

I will explained in more detail tomorrow, see you tomorow

What the hell are you talking about. Desert Storm have the US Tank roll over to the western side of Iraq first, in term of timeline, Tank ROLL BEFORE AIRCRAFT.

Tank is an offensive weapon, you use them to break thru defensive network, I honestly don't know what the hell are you talking about......

What you need to do is to learn from Desert Storm, and think logically.

You are thinking the tiny 150 combat ship PLAN (1 CV, 32 destroyer, 68 submarine, 4 LPD 48 Frigate) can defeat a 10 carrier group 9 Assault group 350 combat ship USN (10 CVN, 9 LHD, 24 LPD/LSD, 75 Destroyer, 24 Cruiser, 8 LCS, 69 submarine). That, no matter how you spin it, is dreaming.

 

[antonius123]

Okay, then you are not as crazy as I thought, then why do you think China can deploy all her force in one area?

Why can't? If US can deploy in Korea and Japan, why can't China deploy in several coastal cities?

Again

Aviano - Iraq - 3700 mile
Singapore to SCS -2700 mile

Drone can took flight anywhere, you do know you don't need an airfield to launch a drone, you can launch them in the street corner in Guam, Over a highway in Japan. or over a grass field in Korea, take your picks. Or you are claiming you will destroy every street, highway, grass field and meadow in Guam, Korea and Japan

You haven't answered me yet.

If US can send planes from Aviano, then why did she need to deploy fighters in Kuwait, Saudi, and still use carriers?
Why US doesn't use Germany base instead and use air refuelling tanker as you said?

Singapore to SCS??? cmon .. we are talking about war within China!! you said attacking Beijing could be done by planes from Hawaii and Australia, why now talk back about SCS war??

Again, can you shoot down all 3600 satellite? Nope, you cannot physically and logically. It's naïve to think GPS system will be down, on the other hand Chinese only have 80 Satellite and it's totally doable for the USN to destroy the beido network.

From where do you get 3600 GPS satellites? are you drunk?

There are only 31 GPS satellites out of 1100 active satellites!
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/idealab/satellites-earth-orbit
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_Positioning_System

lol F-22 being shot down by HQ-9, looks like you are the one that's dreaming.

Why?

What the hell are you talking about. Desert Storm have the US Tank roll over to the western side of Iraq first, in term of timeline, Tank ROLL BEFORE AIRCRAFT.

Tank is an offensive weapon, you use them to break thru defensive network, I honestly don't know what the hell are you talking about......

What you need to do is to learn from Desert Storm, and think logically.

You are thinking the tiny 150 combat ship PLAN (1 CV, 32 destroyer, 68 submarine, 4 LPD 48 Frigate) can defeat a 10 carrier group 9 Assault group 350 combat ship USN (10 CVN, 9 LHD, 24 LPD/LSD, 75 Destroyer, 24 Cruiser, 8 LCS, 69 submarine). That, no matter how you spin it, is dreaming.

Are you drunk??

This is what you said when we are talking about destroying Beijing:

You do not count the time for Chinese force to redeploy elsewhere to another area once the previous area have fallen. Your unit cannot teleport, your tank cannot appear in Beijing from heibe out of thin air. You need time to transport the tank from one location to another, and when you start transferring these asset, that is where they are more vulnerable.
https://defence.pk/threads/us-aircr...ls-in-s-china-sea.478877/page-14#post-9235337


Cmon, why do China need to transport tank to Beijing if US can destroy Beijing first?? While you haven't finished shut down all China air defence system? What's the purpose? That is terrible strategy.

 

[antonius123]

You think?

Same thing people say when we attack Iraq in Operation Desert Storm, if you want to liberate Kuwait, you will need to launch your offensive from Saudi Arabia. Remind me where do the US launch the offensive from?

You do know, Aircraft can fly, right? There are no fix vector for an aircraft to fly in order to attack some place.

Still US send planes from bases within effective reach of their planes.

Question: why not from Germany?

Why not? Not like we cannot refuel F-22 mid-air. You do know US flew sortie from Aviano In Italy and in Sardinia to support combat operation in Iraq. Which one is longer do you think? Aviano AB Italy to Iraq or Singapore or Australia to South China Seas? (It's Aviano to Iraq, at 3700 mile vs Australia to SCS at 2700 mile)

Why now you refer SCS? Aren't we talking about China mainland (Beijing, Liaoning, etc)

How far Singapore to Beijing??

How many missile you have in stock? How many sorties you can keep up with your J-16? Hell, How many J-16 you have? You can keep sending missile and J-16 to bomb the runway, a crater is a crater, just because you bomb it 30 times, that does not mean they cannot be repaired. You do know that once you have 6 hours window, you can repair your runway to serviceable condition.
So my question is.

J-16, J-10, H-6

Of course! at the end you still can repair, when all the fighters already get destroyed

How many DF-Whatever missile you have in stock. How many Bomb you have in stock, How many J-16 you have in stock to keep bombing the airfield in Andersen AFB, Misawa AFB, Yokota AFB, Kadena AFB, Sasebo NAS, Yokosuka NAS, Atsugi NAS, Wake Field AFB, Kusan AFB, Osan AFB, Chinhae NAS and about 117 other US installation in Japan, South Korea and Guam? That is before we also counting US Bases in Singapore, Australia, Indian Ocean

How many missile or bomb you got? 1 million? You will need 6 bombs or 6 missile to disable an airfield (1 on tower, 1 on apron, 2 on each end of each runways and usually an airfield have 2 runways, that make 6), let's just count major airfield for fun. 6 bombs/missile per airfield every 8 hours (let's give more time the Chinese to work on) on 11 major location. That 11x 3 x 6 = 198 missile or bomb per day. 30 days would mean 5940 missile or bomb you will need to make the airfield out of commission 24/7 for a month..

Why you doubt China can produce massive number of bombs?

Chinese has been producing intercontinental missiles long long time ago; it is not difficult to imagine China has thousands missile directing to Taiwan that can be directed to other bases as well.

There are more than 6600 launch life time, around 3600 still in operation, you can check any scientific journal yourself.

There are only 31 GPS satelites dude!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_Positioning_System

Then it won't work, as long as you can have 5 satellite orbiting the earth at (N, S, E, W and above or below earth)
The satellite network would still works.

TV broadcasting satellite can function as GPS satellite? citation please..

But then it will still works. And lost will be able to replace with ease in the US as the war is on the other side of the Pacific. Would you think China can still turn out aircraft or ship as usual when they are at war with the US inside Chinese Circle?

Then how many sorties US will need? What chance those US planes can survive HQ-9 or any other air defence system, or J-10/J-11 in each sorties please??

Why we still need carrier? It is a mobile strike force, so you don't know where to expect the strike force is going to strike. in fact, the further the US launch their sorties the better as you don't have over the horizon ISTAR capability in China, you cannot detect incoming until it reaches Chinese coast.

Singapore, Diego Garcia, Australia, Hawaii if not Guam, Wake Island AFB Japan or South Korean Airfield.

Then again why US still need carriers to wage war against Iraq? while she can send fighters from Germany??

Is your DF-26 float in open ocean? If Sea Battle started it would be in the open ocean, we don't need to get close to your DF-whatever launcher to attack your launcher, we can send plane, missile, sub on it. The same to any other asset. Why you always think the US need to get close to your range to engage you? That thought is quite naive

DF-26 is in the mainland. It's range is 3000km-4000km.

So if the us carriers are within 2000Km - 3000km from China coast, they could be targets.

DF-26 can reach Guam as well.
http://edition.cnn.com/2016/05/12/politics/china-guam-killer-missile/

dude, what the hell are you talking about, Tank is an offensive weapon, you launch tank to destroy defensive system in China, or what you think we launch to fight a war in China, if the defense system is already been wipe out, what the hell do we send in the tank for?? Killing Chinese Civilian by rolling over them?

Tank was the FIRST thing that roll into Iraq in Iraq war, you heard of the 3ID thunder run from Kuwait to Baghdad? I was on that run with the 3ID.

What the hell are you talking about??

Wrong!
US did air campaign first in early battle, to destroy all Iraq defence system.
Army invasion is the last step.

So, F-22 don't engage your J-11B or we only have plane to go for a one way trips? Dude, you are funny to assume that. So yes, Basically B-2 and F-22 are useless, they will be shot down once they finish their mission, they don't have self defense capability. Oh, and F-22 and F-35 don't have missile to protect themselves. And no, all the aircraft cannot be refuel and land somewhere else when the airfield they belong to damaged, they have to land on a damaged runway.

lol, I was being sarcastic

Also, B-2 don't need to reach Chinese mainland to launch JASSM. Your DF-whatever series will be the first to go before you can launch a missile.

Don't dream! Your F-22 need to survive from HQ9 & S400 first! Do you think F-22 with tons of bombs and missiles still can remain stealthy? discounted Chinese anti stealth radar.

How many missiles that F-22 still can bring when they bring bombs load and fuel tank for effective air strike to destroy land target (DF21 battery, radar, etc)?

I am gonna take a book out of your chapter

DF-21 and Df-26 will be destroyed before missile being fired by a combine F-22/UCAV strike and 20 B-2 strike
204 J-10, 110 J-11, 10 J-20 will be destroyed by 437 F-15. 1060 F-16, 187 F22 and 243 F-35 on air and in the ground.

In your wet dream

Which is faster: missile vs fighter? DF-31 (30 mach) vs F-22 (2 mach)?

Anti satellite missile will reach your GPS satellites first before your F-22 reach Beijing.

DF-26 will reach Okinawa/Guam first, when your F-22 are still in the mid course.

And where do you want to put those massive fighters (1000 F-16, hundreds F-15, hundreds of F-35, etc)? From Hawaii and Guam then air refuelled? how many air refueller needs to fuel that massive number of fighters? and fly from where?

And do you think US fighters outnumbers Chinese HQ-9 & S300 ??

All 12 Type 52D will be destroyed by combine of 75 Aegis Destroyer.
The single CV you called Liaoning will be gangbanged by 10 carrier battle group
Chinese Submarine will be hunt down like a dog with a combination of CGS and P-8 Poseidon and P-3 Orion
All other Chinese surface shipping (the other 20 destroyer, gunboats) will be gangbanged by 43 Los Angeles Class, 12 Virginia Class, 12 Ohio Class submarine.

There, happy? So, tell me who outnumber who?

So do you think China will let your 75 aegis move toward China's navy freely without being targeted with DF21D or numerous submarines under the sea?

Or maybe your 75 aegis can destroy whole 14 52D, but soon after that China will launch 75 DF-21D to your 75 Aegis..

Like I said: China take less time to mobilize than US mobilize her navy attack China. Soon when US navy arrived within 2000KM, China can target them with ASBM. When US start to move their navy China will get ready to prepare also.

And you are a fool to think Iraq is any less than China.

At least in Iraq, they have been fighting for 30 + years, when did Chinese last fought? to Die gloriously under US and UN machine Gun over in Korea or try and fail invasion to North Vietnam? Dude, even Iraq can win a peer to what we called Iran and Afghanistan even won over Soviet Union. in my book, IRAQ and AFGHANISTAN is BETTER than Chinese armed force.

LOLs.

It prove you are a fool if you think Iraq is the same strong as China because Iraq just has war with Iran

With your logic, Iraq should be more powerful than Russia because Iraq has more modern war experience than Russia; or same could be say with Vietnam vs Japan

 

[jhungary]

Still US send planes from bases within effective reach of their planes.

Question: why not from Germany?

Why not from Mars? and who tell you that US cannot launch fighter sortie from Germany to support a war in China? Don't be daft.

Why now you refer SCS? arent we talking about China mainland (Beijing, Lianoning, etc)

How far Singapore to Beijing??

We are always talking about SCS, I was just using Beijing as an example.

By the way Beijing to Singapore is at 2781.616 miles, still some 1000 miles short than Aviano to Iraq

J-16, J-10, H-6

Of course! at the end you still can repair, when all the fighters already get destroyed

yeah, you think you can destroy all the fighter from 11 bases (which is some 400 F15 and F-16) with just 5 J-16, 8 J-20 and 23 H-6?

Are they super bomber? LOL

Why you doubt china can produce massive number of bombs?

Chinese has been producing intercontinental missiles long long time ago; it is not difficult to imagine China has thousands missile directing to Taiwan that can be directed to other bases as well.

Yeah, China can make 6000 bomb and missile in a month, bombs come from factory just appear out of thin air from the Chinese factory.

Let me give you for an instant. US Raytheon is the world most premier munition maker, they have a state of the art assembly line, in peacetime, they can turn out no more than 1000 hellfire a month (which his about 30 Hellfire missile a day. it takes time to assemble Tracker, Sensor, Rocket fuel and make the body of the missile as well as the rocket motor, not to mention the warhead, the guidance system, and we are talking about a short range anti-tank missile not Ballistic Missile that you supposedly would fire at US bases.

The deal to supply Pakistan 1000 AGM-114G hellfire for example, are to take Raytheon's 18 MONTHS to fulfil.

Also, in reality You will need WAY more than 6000 bombs and Missile a month to take off all the bases, US have 84 facilities in Japan alone, 12 in South Korean and 11 in Guam, that mean you will need more than 60,000 DF-21/DF-26 missile and Precision Bomb to take them out 24/7 for 30 days. Good luck making 60,000 ballistic per month.

There are only 31 GPS satelites dude!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_Positioning_System

dude, Beidou have 21 satellite on orbit with the BeiDou Navigation satellite system, does that mean there are only 21 Chinese satellite on Earth Orbit?

Man, you are funny. Do you think the other Chinese Satellite cannot provide instant Geotag location to Chinese Troop In order to provide GPS guidance? So We just need to destroy the 21 Beidou Satellite to cover the whole Chinese Satellite regime? That is naïve out of the limit.

When I was in the military we uses commercial (non-US military) satellite all the time, considered there are only 50 or so USAF satellite on orbit, we usually don't have one flew over target area. In fact, all kind of satellite on orbit can be use to track and provide targeting information to ground C&C. MLB (Major League Baseball) alone have launched 57 satellite in order to provide world wide ESPN life coverage to the world, that is why you can watch NBA/MLB live at home. And we hijack these satellite a lot in our operation. How? That's classified.

The US have sent 6600 satellite for the whole life time, as of 2015, 3600 are still operational.

One more thing, kindly look at where the GPS satellite is located, it was in MEO (Medium Earth Orbit), which mean they are at 2,000-10,000 KM Ceiling (USAF GPS satellite are at 20810KM ceiling), ASAT weapon, US and China, can only target LEO (Low Earth Orbit) which is within 1,000 KM, both test the Chinese and US did is way below 1,000 KM by the way, the Chinese at 865km ceiling and the US at 563KM ceiling

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_Positioning_System

Orbital characteristics
Regime(s) 6x MEO planes
Orbital height 20,180 km (12,540 mi)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007_Chinese_anti-satellite_missile_test

A Chinese weather satellite—the FY-1C polar orbit satellite of the Fengyun series, at an altitude of 865 kilometres (537 mi), with a mass of 750 kg[1]—was destroyed by a kinetic kill vehicle traveling with a speed of 8 km/s in the opposite direction[2] (see Head-on engagement). It was launched with a multistage solid-fuel missile from Xichang Satellite Launch Center or nearby.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ASM-135_ASAT

TV broadcasting sattelite can function as GPS satelite? citation please..

Why not? Because you said so? TV Broadcasting Satellite itself is a communication satellite. The function for TV Comm Sec is you pin point the message transmission (The TV camera at the ball game) and receive the transmission, beam it and calculate to pin point the user end location, transfer the signal to end user (YOU and YOUR SATELLITE SET TOP BOX in Indonesia)

This is the exact function of any GPS satellite. You have a GPS transmitter on your car or mobile phone, the GPS satellite pin point your transmitter and the GPS satellite then pinpoint the location on where you want to go, beam it and calculate your end location (Your destination)

The only "BIG" different is that the receiving Satellite is the same as your transmitting satellite. Where the COMM Sat would have been another because you are at the other side of the world.

You do know the route calculation stuff is done via the receiver in your car and your phone, not thru the satellite Right?

Then how many sorties US will need? how chance those US planes can survive HQ-9 or any other air defence system, or J-10/J-11 in each sorties please??

US have 1200 F-16, how many HQ-9 Chinese have? Less than 100, even with 3 on 1 advantage (HQ-9 shot down 1 F-16 before the 3rd one targeting its launcher, and then shot down another F-16 before the third one launch the missile and destroy the HQ-9 launcher), US will loses 300 F-16 to destroy all the HQ-9. It will leave 900 F-16 free ride over Chinese.

At the same time, US have 254 F-15C, 236 F-15E, 314 F-18C and 250 F-18E. that's 1054 4/4.5 gen fighter
China have 240-260 (let's say 300) J-10, 200 J-11 and 150 Su27 and Su30. That's 650. Let's say They all cancel each other. at a 2 on 1 ratio favor the Chinese. You still have 900 F-16 and 291 A-10 to deal with

Then the best part. China have 10 J-20 and 24 Su 35, US have 187 F-22 and 246 F-35. Even say if Chinese 5th gen is uber good, let's give them 10 to 1 ratio. US would still have 96 F-22 and 123 F-35 remain on the sky.

At the end, the total of PLAAF and ADS destroyed. And the remaining USAF on the battle field is 900 F-16, 291 A-10, 96 F-22, 123 F-35, 77 B-52, 63 B-1, 20 B-2, 44 AC-130 remaining. While the scrap force for the remaining of PLAAF will be 192 J-8 and some 500 2nd gen J-7, 20 H-6 and 120 JH-7.

Then again why US still need carriers to wage war againts Iraq? while she can send fighters from Germany??

Just because it is easy that does not mean I don't want to finish the war quickly.

Why not? Who told you we didn't ? You do know Ramstein AB in Germany is also been used by the USAF in support of both Iraq and Afghanistan war. Right? Maybe dream less and read more newspaper.

DF-26 is in the mainland. It's range is 3000km-4000km.

So if the us carriers are within 2000Km - 3000km from China coast, they could be targets.

DF-26 can reach Guam as well.
http://edition.cnn.com/2016/05/12/politics/china-guam-killer-missile/

Why would US need to get close to 2000KM to 3000KM within Chinese coast, when the F-18E/F have 3000 mile range (4600 KM) even without air refuelling?

So, I can launch sorties from 4000 KM away, far away from your range, but I just move into your territories for fun?

And Df-26 can be used to target Guam, and so?

Wrong!
US did air campaign first in early battle, to destroy all iraq defence system.
Army invasion is the last step.

OMG.

ARMOUR ALWAYS MOVE FIRST.

Armored Vehicle speed is snail pace if you compare to Aircraft. At best road in Iraq, you can move no faster than 40Km/h. Aircraft, even as A-10 or AC-130 can easily reach 600km/h with 0.5 mach. If we launch aircraft one day before the armored, the armored unit will be 10 days behind the same aircraft sortie on the target area.

Aircraft reaches their target first, that does not mean they were launch first. You do know it took 3 months prior to the "opening engagement" on the Jan 18, 1991 date for the tank to move into their position. US Army launched their operation at the beginning of November, they move from Saudi Arabia to Western Iraqi desert, just because they were not attacked by the Iraqi does not mean the ground component did not start there.

Those tank did not teleport to phase line Hammer from their bases in Saudi Arabia.

Man, you re funny

Dont dream! Your F-22 need to survive from HQ9 & S400 first! Do you think F-22 with tons of bombs and misiles still can remain stealthy? discounted Chinese anti stealth radar.

How many missile that F-22 still can bring when they bring bombs load and fuel tank for effective air strike to destroy land target (DF21 battery, radar, etc)?

Who told you F-22 would need to load with a ton of bomb?

F-22 is a sensor aircraft, they are like sniper in the special force, would F-22 drop bomb? Yes, only to important target like C&C center, and radar site. THen they are gonna pipe down the target information to other unit and they will take care of the missile launcher. Even F-16 can pile on your S400 or HQ-9 launcher with sheer number (how many S400 you have and how many HQ-9 you have?

Let alone the jammer and stealth aircraft can come and get you with you least suspected.

In your wet dream

Which is faster: missile vs fighter? DF-31 (30 mach) vs F-22 (2 mach)?

Oh, so you are saying DF-21 can destroy F-22............

Ok, who's dreaming here?

Anti satelite missile will reach your GPS satelites first before your F-22 reach Beijing.
DF-26 will reach Okinawa/Guam first, when your F-22 are still in the mid course.

No, As I said the GPS satellite is in MEO, 20180 KM service ceiling, Chinese AST is no more than 1000KM ceiling, so, YOU ARE WRONG.

And where do you want to put those massive fighters (1000 F-16, hundreds F-15 , hundreds of F-35, etc)? From Hawai and Guam then air refuelled? how many air refuller needs to fuel that massive number of fighters? and fly from where?

How do you put all 1700 fighter and 400 missile launcher in your eastern coast? then?

US have 300 plus refueller, each can refuel 4-6 aircraft at the same time, don't worry about US refueller

And do you think US fighters outnumbers Chinese HQ-9 & S300 ??

You tell me. US have 1200 active F-16 fighter another 400 converted to QF-16. How many S300 and HQ-9 did the Chinese have? not more than 400 launcher

So do you think China will let your 75 aegis move toward China's navy freely without being targeted with DF21D or numerous submarines under the sea?

Or maybe your 75 aegis can destroy whole 14 52D, but soon after that China will launch 75 DF-21D to your 75 Aegis..

So now DF-21D not only can destroy carrier, but also F-22 and Destroyer. lol.

You are losing it buddy,

Like I said: China take less time to mobilize than US mobilize her navy attack China. Soon when US navy arrived within 2000KM, China can target them with ASBM. When US start to move their navy China will get ready to prepare also.

Okay, since you said it, then it must be true then

LOLs.

It prove you are a fool if you think Iraq is the same strong as china because Iraq just has war with Iran

With your logic, Iraq should be more powerful than Rusia because Iraq has more modern war experience than Russia; or same could be say with Vietnam vs Japan

Yes, Afghanistan PHYSICALLY defeated Russia that mean they are better than Russia in that war, unless you are saying otherwise.

Again, if Iraq any better than China, why not try your hand on these Iraqi Insurgent and see for yourselves. You are big with words, but I don't see any action. If China is that almighty, you should be able to defeat ISIS in a jiff..

Why not just try it?

By the way. I am not going to discuss this with you, you are obliviously out of your mind. When you see someone saying 75 DF-21D can destroy 75 Aegis Destroyer, this is a cue for me to stop commenting with you. You can believe whatever you want, You can believe 1 HQ-9 can shoot down 1 F-22, 1 DF21D can kill a aleigh burke class destroyer. I mean that is your business, but I only discuss with serious member only, and by saying what you said, it's time for you to see a doctor.

 

[samsara]

Here are some good analyses reading to try to understand the Trump presidency and its legion of enemies from within... as well as their impacts to the world and China. I do believe the current South China Sea showdown is at least partially affected by the power struggling among the factions in D.C.

When we all just see things at their surface values, then we may be diverted like the blind and see none of substance in return!

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The Conflictual Relationship Between Donald Trump and the US ‘Deep State’ (II)

By FEDERICO PIERACCINI, Strategic Culture Foundation - 2017-02-21

In just two weeks as president of the United States, Donald Trump has left traces of how he intends to tackle various international political situations. The previous article dealt with a series of possible sabotage efforts suffered by the Trump administration. In this second and concluding article, I intend to analyze the situations in Iran, Russia, Ukraine, and Syria as well as the stance towards NATO, the EU and China. The goal is to decipher how Trump has used admissions, silences and bluffs in order to advance his intentions and obviate the deep state’s sabotage efforts.

• Deep-state sabotage is in full swing and is increasingly influencing the Trump administration.
• As with the whole Trump presidency, it is very difficult to understand whether we are facing an act of sabotage from the deep state or whether this is yet another semi-improvised strategy to muffle the drums of war.
• There are several international situations in which the intentions of the new administration are very difficult to understand and sometimes even provoke amazement.
• Trump has always preferred to counter deep-state sabotage attempts with substantial bluffing
• Trump still gives the strong impression that he intends to avoid any further conflict... harsh tones and words to placate the most hawkish factions without actually taking any action appears to be the new normal.
• Trump’s intention not to squander American resources by going to war and betraying his election promises

http://www.strategic-culture.org/ne...p-between-trump-and-the-us-deep-state-ii.html

 

[antonius123]

Why not from Mars? and who tell you that US cannot launch fighter sortie from Germany to support a war in China? Don't be daft.

That is self answering your question: why US still need carriers, Okinawa, Guam, Osan if she want to attack China mainland.

We are always talking about SCS, I was just using Beijing as an example.

By the way Beijing to Singapore is at 2781.616 miles, still some 1000 miles short than Aviano to Iraq

You seems to have amnesia?

Do you remember your argument saying that US can paralyze China's missiles battery etc? that means it will be total war in mainland, and we have agreed on that. Why now you dwindle back to SCS?

In SCS conflict US will face Chinese asymmetric weapon.
In mainland conflict US will face both numbers + asymmetric weapon.

yeah, you think you can destroy all the fighter from 11 bases (which is some 400 F15 and F-16) with just 5 J-16, 8 J-20 and 23 H-6?

Are they super bomber? LOL

Why not? one DF-26 is enough to damage the airfield, then the rest Air Strikes will do the rest.
If airfield damaged you cant fly those f-15/f-16/f22 until it is repaired (as you said take 6 hours), then 2 sequence missile in 3 hours interval will be enough until the fighter bombers arrive.

Or, alternatively => DF-25 with EMP warhead.

1 send to Guam, 1 send to Okinawa, 1 send to Osan.

1 EMP blast would destroy all avionics and electronics that will paralyze 400 F-15 and F-16 and other hundreds of planes in the field.

Yeah, China can make 6000 bomb and missile in a month, bombs come from factory just appear out of thin air from the Chinese factory.

Let me give you for an instant. US Raytheon is the world most premier munition maker, they have a state of the art assembly line, in peacetime, they can turn out no more than 1000 hellfire a month (which his about 30 Hellfire missile a day. it takes time to assemble Tracker, Sensor, Rocket fuel and make the body of the missile as well as the rocket motor, not to mention the warhead, the guidance system, and we are talking about a short range anti-tank missile not Ballistic Missile that you supposedly would fire at US bases.

The deal to supply Pakistan 1000 AGM-114G hellfire for example, are to take Raytheon's 18 MONTHS to fulfil.

Also, in reality You will need WAY more than 6000 bombs and Missile a month to take off all the bases, US have 84 facilities in Japan alone, 12 in South Korean and 11 in Guam, that mean you will need more than 60,000 DF-21/DF-26 missile and Precision Bomb to take them out 24/7 for 30 days. Good luck making 60,000 ballistic per month.

China is not producing missiles and bombs 18 months ago, she has made and accumulate missiles and bombs more than 10 years ago.

dude, Beidou have 21 satellite on orbit with the BeiDou Navigation satellite system, does that mean there are only 21 Chinese satellite on Earth Orbit?

Man, you are funny. Do you think the other Chinese Satellite cannot provide instant Geotag location to Chinese Troop In order to provide GPS guidance? So We just need to destroy the 21 Beidou Satellite to cover the whole Chinese Satellite regime? That is naïve out of the limit.

When I was in the military we uses commercial (non-US military) satellite all the time, considered there are only 50 or so USAF satellite on orbit, we usually don't have one flew over target area. In fact, all kind of satellite on orbit can be use to track and provide targeting information to ground C&C. MLB (Major League Baseball) alone have launched 57 satellite in order to provide world wide ESPN life coverage to the world, that is why you can watch NBA/MLB live at home. And we hijack these satellite a lot in our operation. How? That's classified.

The US have sent 6600 satellite for the whole life time, as of 2015, 3600 are still operational.

One more thing, kindly look at where the GPS satellite is located, it was in MEO (Medium Earth Orbit), which mean they are at 2,000-10,000 KM Ceiling (USAF GPS satellite are at 20810KM ceiling), ASAT weapon, US and China, can only target LEO (Low Earth Orbit) which is within 1,000 KM, both test the Chinese and US did is way below 1,000 KM by the way, the Chinese at 865km ceiling and the US at 563KM ceiling

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_Positioning_System



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007_Chinese_anti-satellite_missile_test

IF any satellites can render like GPS satellites, then why we still need GPS Satellites? By your logic Indonesia could serve GPS service as well with our telco satellites, we don't need to depend on US GPS or Chinese Beidou.