US Air Force brochure advises rape victims to 'submit to attack'

[Thorough Pro]

So in last say years, how many attackers have been convicted/punished?

You've got to be joking me right now...

 

[livingdead]

No. YOU did not 'get it'. If lack of resistance is the criteria, then threat of physical violence, as in gun to the head, to induce submission would be sufficient for any rapist. In any case of 'he said, she said' about consent or lack thereof, it would be up to both combatants in court to prove the other wrong, but that still does not negate the morally superior position that informed consent is the criteria.


Is that a jab at US? If so, may I enter the mud pit? India's recent news worthy events regarding sexual assaults in particular and attitude about women in general would be fertile ground for the mud slinging.

are you still going to pretend that you did not understand what I am saying even after @jhungary gave a detailed reply about legally permissible evidence( I was beginning to wonder whether my English is good enough )

Secondly, no, it was not a jab at US. I was merely saying its quite challenging to prove rape(if @jhungary is right about legal stuff) which is why conviction rate is low. Dont know why you are so defensive.
If you had to compare with India , you should have compared conviction rate over a period of time, not what is in news now a days in India. My guess will be Indian record is poorer in conviction rate.

 

[jhungary]

are you still going to pretend that you did not understand what I am saying even after @jhungary gave a detailed reply about legally permissible evidence( I was beginning to wonder whether my English is good enough )

Secondly, no, it was not a jab at US. I was merely saying its quite challenging to prove rape(if @jhungary is right about legal stuff) which is why conviction rate is low. Dont know why you are so defensive.
If you had to compare with India , you should have compared conviction rate over a period of time, not what is in news now a days in India. My guess will be Indian record is poorer in conviction rate.

lol, why summon me..........

The reason rape charge is extensively hard to convict is not because it is hard to find evidence of "consent" ever occur. But most woman do not go for or pursuit the charge in the first place, even after the DPP or AG office was notified of the rape and tey took care of the case, the vic usually refuse to testify and hence the let go.

Another reason is contributed to the "pled bargaining " system of the western Legal system. Prosecutor in western world generally favour giving the perp pled right if you pled guilty to lesser charge (Malicious Sexual Assault or even just sexual assault, or sexual misconduct)

The reason behind this is sometime if the perp pled guilty on those charge, it will save the vic to come on the court and testify, it will reduce the drama and traumatic effect on the vic and hence rape 2 or 3 are seldom convicted. but If the case is big enough and had enough media attention, the Prosecutor will still go for Rape 1 and prepare the case accordingly.

 

[jaibi]

There are a lot of things one can do when faced with a situation as such. Most rapes cases are done by the male who is known to the female. The truth is that masculinity as propagated by the Military encourages subjugation of women. A cultural readjustment for males in the military would yield much better results.

 

[livingdead]

lol, why summon me..........

The reason rape charge is extensively hard to convict is not because it is hard to find evidence of "consent" ever occur. But most woman do not go for or pursuit the charge in the first place, even after the DPP or AG office was notified of the rape and tey took care of the case, the vic usually refuse to testify and hence the let go.

Another reason is contributed to the "pled bargaining " system of the western Legal system. Prosecutor in western world generally favour giving the perp pled right if you pled guilty to lesser charge (Malicious Sexual Assault or even just sexual assault, or sexual misconduct)

The reason behind this is sometime if the perp pled guilty on those charge, it will save the vic to come on the court and testify, it will reduce the drama and traumatic effect on the vic and hence rape 2 or 3 are seldom convicted. but If the case is big enough and had enough media attention, the Prosecutor will still go for Rape 1 and prepare the case accordingly.

oops sorry.. I put @ before your id out of habit ...thanks for your post again...

 

[gambit]

are you still going to pretend that you did not understand what I am saying even after @jhungary gave a detailed reply about legally permissible evidence( I was beginning to wonder whether my English is good enough )

I understand what you said. But I doubt that you understand why we consider informed consent to be the superior moral criteria.

 

[anonymus]

I understand what you said. But I doubt that you understand why we consider informed consent to be the superior moral criteria.

Most of the countries including India also has same criteria regarding informed consent , or for that matter any country whose laws originates from British laws .

It is not the definition but the difficulty that you would have proving some type of " Lack of consent " in court that was the point of discussion.

Let's say i have a girlfriend with whom i have sexual relation. We had a bad breakup and she goes to court and accuses me of rape. Now the judge (or Jury in your country) would have to not only look into the matter related to Sexual penetration but also whether consent was there or not. Since our laws are based on principle of " Innocent until proven Guilty",it would be nightmare for prosecution to establish that i have committed Rape, even when i may had committed it.

This is the reason that Rape laws have such a low rate of conviction in any country which follows due process of law. Some type of Rapes like statutory rape are straightforward as it does not have to pass the test of consent. Other kind of rapes like marital rape are practically impossible to be proved.Their existence in statue book is only to placate public opinion.

 

[Silverblaze]

The term sexual assault is very vague. It could be an inappropriate touch. So what to do?

Severely punish who commit aggravated assault and corporal punishments for those who touch inappropriately.

 

[FoxFSB]

It is only in primitive cultures that consider silence to be consent.

Heh, implying the tradition in Islamic culture, where the female has the option (can speak out too) to be silent as consent for a marriage proposal?

I guess according to you then, the NATO, EU and OSCE are all primitive too for using silence as consent.

(Google wikipedia's article on Silence procedure, cant post links yet =.=)

 

[Shazhina]

why is army rape SO prevalent in these usa militaries? it's almost scary...