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Correct - I point this out every time I participate in a Kashmir discussion. When you look at the entirety of the UNSC Resolutions passed, there is no 'unilateral withdrawal' condition placed on Pakistan. The withdrawal or demilitarization needs to be part of a negotiated agreement between Pakistan, India and the UN. There were several attempts made to reach such an agreement, and India shot down a majority of those proposals.
 
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hey kid, only The United Nations Security Council Resolution 47 was accepted by India

the so called Resolution 98 was proposed and both the countries were to respond within 30 days.. India is not party of Resolution 98, hence you can use that piece of paper as tissue paper if you wish
Where you came up with that argument? Did you just cook up that argument from a crap heap?

India is a member of UN hence party to all UNSC resolutions on Kashmir. Don't make up crap.

I have already number of times debated the issue on various thread related to Kashmir and answered all of the arguments Indian members have posted ..... I find no new argument from their side which worth reply

Therefore I would request you to plz consider my understanding of matter same as it was previously
Regards
Can you please quote the thread where you answered those Indian arguments. I would like to read up this, since I only have some knowledge on the matter.

Thanks @HRK

Regards.
 
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Where you came up with that argument? Did you just cook up that argument from a crap heap?

India is a member of UN hence party to all UNSC resolutions on Kashmir. Don't make up crap.


Can you please quote the thread where you answered those Indian arguments. I would like to read up this, since I only have some knowledge on the matter.

Thanks @HRK

Regards.


Sorry to hurt your little ego, but you should read up more before opening your mouth..

Below is the stand on legality and binding nature of UN resolution, and quote
"Articles 10 and 14 of the UN Charter refer to General Assembly resolutions as "recommendations"; the recommendatory nature of General Assembly resolutions has repeatedly been stressed by the International Court of Justice.[2] However, some General Assembly resolutions dealing with matters internal to the United Nations, such as budgetary decisions or instructions to lower-ranking organs, are clearly binding on their addressees"
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Read properly, Azad Kashmir forces and Gilgit scouts are not considered Pakistani by UN. UN precondition was all Pakistani troops have to leave. Have they left yet?
How did you reach that conclusion? Are you an expert in interpreting the document?

I do not agree with you.

Sorry to hurt your little ego, but you should read up more before opening your mouth..

Below is the stand on legality and binding nature of UN resolution, and quote
"Articles 10 and 14 of the UN Charter refer to General Assembly resolutions as "recommendations"; the recommendatory nature of General Assembly resolutions has repeatedly been stressed by the International Court of Justice.[2] However, some General Assembly resolutions dealing with matters internal to the United Nations, such as budgetary decisions or instructions to lower-ranking organs, are clearly binding on their addressees"
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Sorry if you are butthurt, but,

Even Nehru promised the world, that a Plebiscite would occur in Kashmir,

Even Mountbatten said accession to India is only provisional, until a plebiscite occurs in Kashmir state.

Once you promise something, it becomes binding.

Now don't obfuscate with nonsense.

Resolution 98 (1952)
Adopted by the Security Council at its 611th meeting on 23 December, 1952.
(Document No. 5/2883, dated the 24th December, 1952).

THE SECURITY COUNCIL,
Recalling its resolutions, 91(1951) of 30 March 1951, its decision of 30 April 1951 and its
resolutions 96 (1951) of 10 November 1951,

Further Recalling the provisions of the United Nations Commission for India and Pakistan
resolutions of 13 August 1948, and 5 January 1949, which were accepted by the Governments of
India and Pakistan and which provided that the question of the accession of the State of Jammu and
Kashmir to India or Pakistan would be decided through the democratic method of a free and
impartial plebiscite conducted under the auspices of the United Nations.

Having received the third report, dated 22 April 1952, and the fourth report, dated 16 September
1952, of the United Nations Representative for India and Pakistan;

1. Endorses the general principles on which the United Nations Representative has sought to bring
about agreement between the Governments of India and Pakistan;

2. Notes with gratification that the United Nations Representative has reported that the Governments
of India and Pakistan have accepted all but two of the paragraphs of his twelve-point proposals;

3. Notes that agreement on a plan of demilitarisation of the State of Jammu and Kashmir has not
been reached because the Governments of India and Pakistan have not agreed on the whole of
paragraph 7 of the twelve- point proposals;

4. Urges the Governments of India and Pakistan to enter into immediate negotiations under the
auspices of the United Nations Representative for India and Pakistan in order to reach agreement on
the specific number of forces to remain on each side of the cease-fire line at the end of the period of
demilitarisation, this number to be between 3,000 and 6,000 armed forces remaining on the Pakistan
side of the cease-fire line and between 12,000 and 18,000 armed forces remaining on the India side
of the cease-line, as suggested by the United Nations Representative in his proposals of 16 July
1952, such specific numbers to be arrived at bearing in mind the principles or criteria contained in
paragraph 7 of the United Nations Representative's proposal of 4 September 1952;


5. Records its gratitude to the United Nations Representative for India and Pakistan for the great
efforts which he has made to achieve a settlement and requests him to continue to make his services
available to the Governments of India and Pakistan to this end;

5. Requests the Governments of India and Pakistan to report to the Security Council not later than
thirty days from the date of the adoption of this resolution;

6. Requests the United Nations Representative for India and Pakistan to keep the Security Council
informed of any progress.

The Security Council voted on this Resolution on 23-12-52 with the following result:
In favour: Brazil, China, France, Greece, Netherlands, Turkey, U.K. and U.S.A.
Against: None
Abstaining: U.S.S.R.
One Member (Pakistan) did not participate in the voting.

https://www.mtholyoke.edu/acad/intrel/kashun98.htm

No where does it mention that this resolution is a mere recommendation.

Sorry to hurt your little ego, but you should read up more before opening your mouth..

Below is the stand on legality and binding nature of UN resolution, and quote
"Articles 10 and 14 of the UN Charter refer to General Assembly resolutions as "recommendations"; the recommendatory nature of General Assembly resolutions has repeatedly been stressed by the International Court of Justice.[2] However, some General Assembly resolutions dealing with matters internal to the United Nations, such as budgetary decisions or instructions to lower-ranking organs, are clearly binding on their addressees"
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Link please? to the UNSC 98 1952 resolution.
 
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How did you reach that conclusion? Are you an expert in interpreting the document?

I do not agree with you.


Sorry if you are butthurt, but,

Even Nehru promised the world, that a Plebiscite would occur in Kashmir,

Even Mountbatten said accession to India is only provisional, until a plebiscite occurs in Kashmir state.

Once you promise something, it becomes binding.

Now don't obfuscate with nonsense.
How did you reach that conclusion? Are you an expert in interpreting the document?

I do not agree with you.


Sorry if you are butthurt, but,

Even Nehru promised the world, that a Plebiscite would occur in Kashmir,

Even Mountbatten said accession to India is only provisional, until a plebiscite occurs in Kashmir state.

Once you promise something, it becomes binding.

Now don't obfuscate with nonsense.
Individual promises don't stand in front of law.. why do u think Pakistan never challenged india on Nehru's promise legally.. ring any bell in your head?


Tomorrow Imran can say that Pakistan is for sale, but does it make a legally binding promise.. no it does not.
 
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Individual promises don't stand in front of law.. why do u think Pakistan never challenged india on Nehru's promise legally.. ring any bell in your head?


Tomorrow Imran can say that Pakistan is for sale, but does it make a legally binding promise.. no it does not.
Don't give me irrelevant arguments. Even Louis Mountbatten said accession to India is PROVISIONAL until a Plebiscite happens.

But India backtracked on its promise. Stop lying you buffoon. You are looking like a joke on a Pakistani forum.
 
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Don't give me irrelevant arguments. Even Louis Mountbatten said accession to India is PROVISIONAL until a Plebiscite happens.

But India backtracked on its promise. Stop lying you buffoon. You are looking like a joke on a Pakistani forum.
i wish you had some basic knowledge of international laws to make a more meaningful comment.

you and three generations of pakistanis keep on harping about the promise by Nehru. but most of the common Pakistanis fail to understand is the fact that an individual promises are not legally binding in absence of a legal agreement between the parties.

Have you ever asked yourself why pakistan never dragged India to ICJ for non fulfillment of Nehru's promise. because its legally not possible to prove and make in binding...

No where does it mention that this resolution is a mere recommendation.
please read the UN Charter articles ..all the details are shared there ...refer to Article 10 and 14 of UN Charter
 
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How did you reach that conclusion? Are you an expert in interpreting the document?

I do not agree with you.

It is the resolution, you, yourself presented here, where it clearly states with numbers that Azad forces and Gilgit scouts allowed to remain in the state of J&K.

Is there any mention of Pakistani citizens, wether tribal lashkars or Pakistan army being allowed to stay in Kashmir?
 
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Thanks,

no point in responding to those Indiots, because they are barking garbage as usual.

1952 UNSC resolution 98 modifies the condition for troop levels in Kashmir region for both Pakistan and Republic of India.

@That Guy
Your views are required here.

i wish you had some basic knowledge of international laws to make a more meaningful comment.

you and three generations of pakistanis keep on harping about the promise by Nehru. but most of the common Pakistanis fail to understand is the fact that an individual promises are not legally binding in absence of a legal agreement between the parties.

Have you ever asked yourself why pakistan never dragged India to ICJ for non fulfillment of Nehru's promise. because its legally not possible to prove and make in binding...


please read the UN Charter articles ..all the details are shared there ...refer to Article 10 and 14 of UN Charter
Instead of jumping up and down, @AgNoStiC MuSliM said that an answer to that argument that "Pakistani troops need to withdraw troops from their side of Kashmir", there is no "unilateral condition to withdraw troops from Pakistani side of Kashmir."

Pakistan, India, and UN need to agree to this matter of demilitarization.

Instead of resorting to half truths and lies and quoting the 1948 UNSC resolution on Kashmir all the time also see the 1952 UNSC resolution 98 on that matter.

What do you say to that?

When there are other UNSC resolutions which have superseded the 1948 resolution

hey kid, only The United Nations Security Council Resolution 47 was accepted by India

the so called Resolution 98 was proposed and both the countries were to respond within 30 days.. India is not party of Resolution 98, hence you can use that piece of paper as tissue paper if you wish
Hey dumbass, the world doesn't give a crap what India accepts, it is about what United Nations accepts.

India says Jammu and Kashmir is an integral part of India, but United Nations vehemently rejects that notion and calls Kashmir disputed territory.

India has no choice but to follow the UNSC resolutions otherwise face sanctions or walk out of United Nations. ;)
 
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@waz I know you are online right now. Your views are required here.

Sorry to hurt your little ego, but you should read up more before opening your mouth..

Below is the stand on legality and binding nature of UN resolution, and quote
"Articles 10 and 14 of the UN Charter refer to General Assembly resolutions as "recommendations"; the recommendatory nature of General Assembly resolutions has repeatedly been stressed by the International Court of Justice.[2] However, some General Assembly resolutions dealing with matters internal to the United Nations, such as budgetary decisions or instructions to lower-ranking organs, are clearly binding on their addressees"
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Umm... idiot where is the link to your quote? Or are you saying random crap?

Correct - I point this out every time I participate in a Kashmir discussion. When you look at the entirety of the UNSC Resolutions passed, there is no 'unilateral withdrawal' condition placed on Pakistan. The withdrawal or demilitarization needs to be part of a negotiated agreement between Pakistan, India and the UN. There were several attempts made to reach such an agreement, and India shot down a majority of those proposals.
Yes then the Indians say this "The United Nations resolutions are not binding"

But the Indians are never able to explain this part very well.

So two parts really "Pakistan needs to remove troops from their part of Kashmir" This has been answered.

The next part is from Indian's arguments is that "United Nations resolutions are not binding."

huh, which United Nations resolutions are not binding?

@HRK your views on United Nations resolutions are not binding as some Indians say.

But the Indians are never able to explain this part very well.
 
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@HRK your views on United Nations resolutions are not binding as some Indians say.
baseless Indian point of views for which not a single official source or document is ever shared to support it .....
 
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both countries should free the kashmir and make it a separate free country case will be closed once forever
dude it was free until Pakistan attacked it in 1947, what do you think will happen again if it becomes free again?
 
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