Unity.

[HAIDER]

Aren't we all?
No offense taken man. Its a genuine question.

Long ago some foreign member in this forum said , " woow you Pakistani and Indian are arch rival, but deal with each other with great respect " .... well.....

 

[El Sidd]

Long ago some foreign member in this forum said , " woow you Pakistani and Indian are arch rival, but deal with each other with great respect " .... well.....

Well that's true even still.
Its just people are on the edge this past couple of years.

 

[Sky lord]

Measure the depth of civilization with NASA's photography.

Night lights are a measure of technological life. You don't need it to pray though...so I guess you folks should be just fine.

And what unites India?

Same thing that unites Western Europe or china.

Our unique and singular culture and civilization.

 

[El Sidd]

Night lights are a measure of technological life. You don't need it to pray though...so I guess you folks should be just fine.



Same thing that unites Western Europe or china.

Our unique and singular culture and civilization.

Singular? Highly debatable
Unique yes.


And thanks

 

[Proudpakistaniguy]

It seem Indian are united against Pakistani in this thread

 

[Jackdaws]

That free state became Indian territory the moment the Maharajah signed it over to you guys. Therefore all Kashmir including the chunk occupied by Pakistan became Indan territory. What have you done to get it back may I ask? The narrative I give follows the Indian diction.

Pakistan has a differant narrative and at least it is true to it. It is still trying to dislodge a far, far, far larger adversary. But from the Indian perspective Pak is occupying and has been doing so since 1948 Indian territory bequeathed to it by the Maharajah? Or has India decided to 'gift' some of the territory bequeathed to it? To add insult to injury Pak has even dished out chunks of Kashmir out as baksheeh to China.

India is a country altogether another league in size on account of it's vastly greater population. Indeed the ratio between Pak and India is not that differant from tiny Belgium and Germany or Poland and Russia. Can you imagine Poles or Belgians (alone) snatching territory bequeathed to them? Not a hope in hell.

Indian's puff and huff about their economy, their military power and on the contrary Pak's proven history of defeats, broken economy. What amazes me is if they think this then Pak should have been a walk over for a country of 1,300,000,000 people. Yet for 70 years Pak is still poking India in the eyes. And it still retains P-OK. This demonstrates like nothing else India's effeminate and weak nature.

The truth is in a country like India with 1,300,000,000 people yes of course your going to have some stars. Yes your going to have Einstiens, Bill Gates, Brad Pitts, Angledia Jolies, etc etc but that is simply because of the huge pool you have. The fact is vast majority of your 1,300,000,000 are broken, aboriginal, repressed, primitive, destitute ocean of untouchability in mind and body. So yeh go show off about your 1% but we know about the bottom 50% and what that looks like.

And this weakness is exposed when you face anybody your own size like China. You can only shine by sizing up against dwarfs.

Ps. Insofar as continued Israeli occupation of Golan and West Bank demostrates Arab impotency, Pakistan's continued occupation of territory bequeathed to it by Maharajah demonstrates Indian impotency. This is a fact you are going to have to face.

I had to laugh at that. Firstly at the sexism - because you equated being effeminate with being weak.

China claims Taiwan. It waited for colonial powers like Portugal and Britain to hand over Chinese territories back to it. I guess you would end up calling China impotent too.

It is obvious we could have a military solution to Kashmir a long time back. I mean you lost over 50% of your population in about a fortnight - so a little strip of land was never going to pose a military challenge. The challenge of course is international image. Why do you think India and China have not yet fired a shot at each other in the current stand-off? Neither wishes to be seen as an aggressor - in fact both are trying to prove that the other side is the aggressor.

And of course maintaining an image has never really been Pakistan's priority. It has basked in its image as home to Osama, Taliban - a country where military coups are the norm, where Prime Ministers are hanged or convicted of hijacking - I could go on.

The truth is that Pakistan really is nothing more than an acronym with stan attached to it. It is not the homeland of South Asian Muslims as 2x the number of South Asian Muslims don't live in Pakistan. It is by and large a country run by feudal lords, the military and some form of colonial power by proxy - UK, then USA and now China. Look at the literacy level of Pakistan. It still has polio. Americans shoot people and are let off by paying blood money.

Pakistan wants Kashmir because it still seeks to define itself. If Kashmir didn't exist, Pakistan would need to invent it.

We have a working relation with Chinese on this.
The grandeur of it cannot be easily explained.

But yes. Theoretically we are silent on China and neither got a problem with that.

Chinese can ban shariah. Their law their people their land.

Sadly for you. Your land. Your people. Impractical laws of oppression. Enjoying secularism much?

It is not a working relationship. It seems like a master-slave relationship. China has never really helped Pak in a single military conflict.

 

[El Sidd]

I had to laugh at that. Firstly at the sexism - because you equated being effeminate with being weak.

China claims Taiwan. It waited for colonial powers like Portugal and Britain to hand over Chinese territories back to it. I guess you would end up calling China impotent too.

It is obvious we could have a military solution to Kashmir a long time back. I mean you lost over 50% of your population in about a fortnight - so a little strip of land was never going to pose a military challenge. The challenge of course is international image. Why do you think India and China have not yet fired a shot at each other in the current stand-off? Neither wishes to be seen as an aggressor - in fact both are trying to prove that the other side is the aggressor.

And of course maintaining an image has never really been Pakistan's priority. It has basked in its image as home to Osama, Taliban - a country where military coups are the norm, where Prime Ministers are hanged or convicted of hijacking - I could go on.

The truth is that Pakistan really is nothing more than an acronym with stan attached to it. It is not the homeland of South Asian Muslims as 2x the number of South Asian Muslims don't live in Pakistan. It is by and large a country run by feudal lords, the military and some form of colonial power by proxy - UK, then USA and now China. Look at the literacy level of Pakistan. It still has polio. Americans shoot people and are let off by paying blood money.

Pakistan wants Kashmir because it still seeks to define itself. If Kashmir didn't exist, Pakistan would need to invent it.



It is not a working relationship. It seems like a master-slave relationship. China has never really helped Pak in a single military conflict.

Why do Indians assume we need any help?
I can't understand that.

Pakistan and China are strategic partners who have mutual long term interests in geopolitics. Simple as that.

 

[icebreaker2]

What exactly do you mean by WEST

@Kaptaan

Urdu is a derivative of Hindi ; Hindi existed LONG before Urdu was born

Urdu originated in Gangaland

No it did not exist long before Urdu. Hindi was developed in the late 19th century. Read some history before writing bs.

 

[kadamba-warrior]

He is confused. This confusion is the hallmark of a society that cannot decide what it wants to be. His is a concoction of wishful thinking, cultural appropriation mixed with dubious racial chauvinism. One moment is a libertarian wishing that there could be a gay pride parade in Pakistan, next moment he is a jingoistic nationalist whose sole basis for pride in his country is that it sticks it to India. On one hand a majority if his posts will contain blatantly racist overtones about skin color and beauty, and on the other hand he will accuse Indians of allying with KKK.

Such hypocrisy and moral bankruptcy could not be created in a lab. I have to give him that.

Forget Hypocrisy and moral bankruptcy, his problem is far more personal.

As per his own admission many months ago, venting out on Indians, or Gangoos as he calls Indians, provides him with a cathartic experience. If I recall it correctly, it has got to do with his TWO failed marriages that led both his ex-spouses taking him to the cleaners - EACH TIME, as part of settlements. I am not even making this up and I am sure several other members can vouch for the veracity of this account.

He is a doctor by profession, but he seriously needs help. If anything, we should all pity him. And move on.

But what is more dubious is the role of some moderators, including some moderators from the Land of China, that stand idly by or even egg on such creatures on, watching him vent out his frustration on some anonymous 'Gangoos'. Perhaps, they are also in it for the same psychological relief from their own sh*tty life.

 

[Pakistansdefender]

Last decade, India has waged a proxy war on us. It started after Mumbai, they cannot attack us directly so they started a proxy war. Many people would disagree. Yes the terrorist themselves were not Hindus but their ropes were in the hands of Indians.

Our leaders who wanted to stick to power, so badly didn't see it coming. Mysharaff desperately tried to cling, rest followed. All too immersed in power grabbing. None can see the Indian sponsored terrorism slowly eating away your base.
They took full advantage and ruined not only our economy, but also fanned as much as they can anti pakistan elements.
The gang wars we see in Mumbai, the same setup was started in Karachi, pakistan's biggest city. Even some Pakistani investor moved abroad. They target cricketers, they target mountaineers. They target sectarian elements. They touched everything to make us busy in our own problems and if they were lucky would try to pull if another Bangladesh.
Tough our fault is much greater . What were our intelligence doing at the time, why didnt they stop it. Why our civil military didn't see this coming. Why didn't they stop it.

Only after this, India catch up in economy while pakistan was too busy due to Indian sponsored terrorism , power struggles.

Where did it all started, it started in afghanistan. U. S and it's alies were there not in Pakistan. Pakistan was the one that suffered being the neighbour of Afghanistan. Though we too have many bad policies but we have suffered the most from the war in Afghanistan. Our economy , our security, our image, all tarnished.

Even in west and their media, if you ask then , they would associate pakistan with terrorism along with Afghanistan which is mother of all terrorism.
Indian lobby is too strong. They are really corrupting the minds of the west. They have a way of speaking lies, again and again that after sometimes even we would believe them. But again it is our fault, they have an open field to built up their narrative. We are not providing any counter narrative. Our foreign ministry is dead. Our high officials and ambassador representing pakistan are just after money. We have really failed to modernise .
India though a paper tiger. But somehow it has made its people believe that they were kind of super power. What does it matter, if you have slums, you have no toilets, if you are rape capital, if you no 1 country to export beef but kills Muslims for eating beef, but you send missions to Mars, can do good diplomacy , can do good lobbying etc etc, you can easily project yourself into a fake power which their Bollywood watching nation easily believe. After all this is the nation that believe that rajnicant can make them a developed nation in 3 hour movie.
Pakistan has seen the danger, removed the menace of thereto great extent, but we are too vulnerable . The enemy didn't expect this day to come. When he do painstakingly destroyed you, they never hoped you can bounce back. Unity is needed but intelligence agencies must have to protect the boundaries rather then involve themselves in power games...
Though still we lack heavily behind in lobbying and modern day diplomacy and firing office.

 

[Sky lord]

Forget Hypocrisy and moral bankruptcy, his problem is far more personal.

As per his own admission many months ago, venting out on Indians, or Gangoos as he calls Indians, provides him with a cathartic experience. If I recall it correctly, it has got to do with his TWO failed marriages that led both his ex-spouses taking him to the cleaners - EACH TIME, as part of settlements. I am not even making this up and I am sure several other members can vouch for the veracity of this account.

He is a doctor by profession, but he seriously needs help. If anything, we should all pity him. And move on.

But what is more dubious is the role of some moderators, including some moderators from the Land of China, that stand idly by or even egg on such creatures on, watching him vent out his frustration on some anonymous 'Gangoos'. Perhaps, they are also in it for the same psychological relief from their own sh*tty life.

He is related to / personal friends of the people who own the website... (at least that is what he says) so the mods don't have an option except to turn a blind eye.

 

[Jackdaws]

Why do Indians assume we need any help?
I can't understand that.

Pakistan and China are strategic partners who have mutual long term interests in geopolitics. Simple as that.

Oh, because I do recollect you expecting military help from China in 71. Infact , I remember reading that West Pak leadership assured it's citizens that Chinese were coming for help.

 

[El Sidd]

Oh, because I do recollect you expecting military help from China in 71. Infact , I remember reading that West Pak leadership assured it's citizens that Chinese were coming for help.

And you think we haven't learned from that?
Stop loving the past man

 

[Jacob Martin]

Forget Hypocrisy and moral bankruptcy, his problem is far more personal.

As per his own admission many months ago, venting out on Indians, or Gangoos as he calls Indians, provides him with a cathartic experience. If I recall it correctly, it has got to do with his TWO failed marriages that led both his ex-spouses taking him to the cleaners - EACH TIME, as part of settlements. I am not even making this up and I am sure several other members can vouch for the veracity of this account.

He is a doctor by profession, but he seriously needs help. If anything, we should all pity him. And move on.

But what is more dubious is the role of some moderators, including some moderators from the Land of China, that stand idly by or even egg on such creatures on, watching him vent out his frustration on some anonymous 'Gangoos'. Perhaps, they are also in it for the same psychological relief from their own sh*tty life.

His marriages failed for the same reason everything in his life will inevitably fail. I have been reading his posts for some time and I am serious when I say you cannot make up such vileness in the lab.

He actually had the audacity sometime back of making pitiful noises about the fact that Saudis are racist towards Pakistanis. Since his "fair and lovely Pakistanis are better than dark and ugly Indians" theory does not cut it with them. Imagine the gall it takes to whine about others' racism when every other post is about how dark Indians and Bangladeshis are.

Sometimes the psycho goes into wistful dreaming about how he wishes Pakistan was a socially liberal country. The imbecile does not understand that until the educated class of Pakistanis stop being as racist and bigoted as he is, what scope do the others have?

I have seen smart people who are very rude and politically incorrect. It is one thing to know your stuff and then be abrasive about it, and quite another to spout ignorance of such monumental proportion without any perspective. Sometime in his life, he had what he thought was an epiphany - that since India was formed in 1947 so Pakistan can appropriate anything that ever happened from Sistan and Samarkand to Agra. Not that I give a rat's *** about such claims, but such idiocy will be laughed out of a room in educated circles in a second. He simply abuses the fact that not everyone is as abrasive and vile about it as he is.

 

[Verve]

Rise of Fascist Hindus in 'secular' India is already uniting all Pakistanis. More Hindus hate Muslims, stronger our unity will be. Some get this, some don't. Likes of Modi rising is good for us!

Hindustan is the last front of the Kafirs. A big & decisive war is inevitable. United muslims of Pakistan will take down the Hindus and this time it will be a final and terminating blow. Let the population of Pakistan grow without hindrances, we will need martyrs for that final war.

Indus valley will be a mass graveyard of these gangasters. It doesn't matter who they are scheming and plotting with. Pakistani civilians will be united and ready with weapons and ammunition, and we armed civilians far exceed the Hindu army in numbers!

And with the .308 rifle available for an affordable price for civilian purchase, Hindu army should take note before stepping foot on our soil.