Understanding Sexual Warfare in Kashmir: Prevalence, Consequences

[M. Sarmad]

Hmm. Just did. Some of the mistakes are too glaring to overlook. Don't know if they are deliberate or genuine mistakes. Quoting older versions of publications is an unforgivable one for instance. There are many others as well, as Roy mentioned before.

Roy is as clueless as you are. Read the previous posts again

And this even does not begin to speak about the Islamist sexual violence at all.

Showing your true colors now ?

 

[SarthakGanguly]

Showing your true colors now ?

You called and are calling him names. Ad hominem attacks are not a substitute for reasonable counter points.

Check this out.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/8279929.stm

What colors, may I ask?

 

[ranjeet]

Yes, you are shooting the Messenger. You claim that the author's mother was (supposedly) born in Pakistan which makes him unreliable and therefore this well-referenced paper should be outright rejected. I wonder what else is "Shooting the messenger" ...






You have some serious comprehension issues. Or is it deliberate ignorance ? .. There is NO contradiction. Let me quote for you what the Report itself says (Page 15):

"For most Kashmiris, sexual violence is considered an inappropriate and difficult to discuss topic. Nevertheless, a rather high percentage of respondents (11.6%)- in comparison to other conflict areas ...

https://ru.msf.org/sites/russia/files/migrated/KASHMIR_FINAL_VERSION,_221106.pdf


So, what the authors are saying is that "In Kashmir prevalence of such acts could be higher because people are ashamed to talk about it as violation of modesty is considered very stigmatising for the women and family involved " ... but nevertheless a higher percentage of respondents talked about it compared to other conflict areas (like Chechnya, Sierra Leone etc.)

Do you get it now ? Genius

You do know that this MSF report speaks about atrocities by "all" fighting parties. refer graph 1 Page 14.

"Overview of personal experience of traumatic events inflicted by all fighting parties since the onset of the violence in 1989"

Now, see HRW report to know why people in valley are afraid to report rapes by militants.

 

[punit]

IF TOMORROW some how Kashmir Valley Muslim does get Azadi .. what exactly will they get in terms of Landmass !
No Jammu
No Laddkah
Not even Kargil
Heck not even the Shia Majority Area

How will the Independent State of Kahsmir Look like ? @SarthakGanguly

 

[Joe Shearer]

Hmm. Just did. Some of the mistakes are too glaring to overlook. Don't know if they are deliberate or genuine mistakes. Quoting older versions of publications is an unforgivable one for instance. There are many others as well, as Roy mentioned before.

And this even does not begin to speak about the Islamist sexual violence at all.

Are you on Facebook?

 

[SarthakGanguly]

IF TOMORROW some how Kashmir Valley Muslim does get Azadi .. what exactly will they get in terms of Landmass !
No Jammu
No Laddkah
Not even Kargil
Heck not even the Shia Majority Area

How will the Independent State of Kahsmir Look like ? @SarthakGanguly

They will get the Central and South Kashmir Valley. North Kashmir and West (Baramulla) is quiet as is Rajouri. Sopore, Ganderbal, Srinagar, Kulgam, Pulwama, Anantnag gets Nizam e Mustafa.

But that will be the beginning.

First they will invade and capture all of the Valley after 'requesting for International (read Pakistani) help'.

After that there will be consolidation for a few months and new demands will be made for Jammu and Kargil districts. You can expect similar riots in Jammu (30% Muslim population). Especially in the Eastern part. Then, of course there is Ladakh.

Eventually they will be able to take all of Jammu and Kashmir if they have a state in the Valley. From there Indian Punjab will be slowly destabilized, then Delhi, then Western UP (all contiguous areas).

This is considering that Pakistan does not want to annex India at all, but just reduce India's power. Even then, India will disintegrate after JnK is annexed by the Islamic Kashmir state. So eventually they will have all they will have the power to control.

Nuclear bombs would not be used because it would be an insurgency. Like today. Pakistan nor China will involve themselves directly.

Are you on Facebook?

Yes, I am. What about you?

 

[Joe Shearer]

They will get the Central and South Kashmir Valley. North Kashmir and West (Baramulla) is quiet as is Rajouri. Sopore, Ganderbal, Srinagar, Kulgam, Pulwama, Anantnag gets Nizam e Mustafa.

But that will be the beginning.

First they will invade and capture all of the Valley after 'requesting for International (read Pakistani) help'.

After that there will be consolidation for a few months and new demands will be made for Jammu and Kargil districts. You can expect similar riots in Jammu (30% Muslim population). Especially in the Eastern part. Then, of course there is Ladakh.

Eventually they will be able to take all of Jammu and Kashmir if they have a state in the Valley. From there Indian Punjab will be slowly destabilized, then Delhi, then Western UP (all contiguous areas).

This is considering that Pakistan does not want to annex India at all, but just reduce India's power. Even then, India will disintegrate after JnK is annexed by the Islamic Kashmir state. So eventually they will have all they will have the power to control.

Nuclear bombs would not be used because it would be an insurgency. Like today. Pakistan nor China will involve themselves directly.


Yes, I am. What about you?

Not as Joe Shearer. But there is a remarkable woman whose writings you might like. If you mail me, I'll send you her coordinates.

 

[Roybot]

Yes, you are shooting the Messenger. You claim that the author's mother was (supposedly) born in Pakistan which makes him unreliable and therefore this well-referenced paper should be outright rejected. I wonder what else is "Shooting the messenger" ...

There is no supposedly here, Joseph English's mothers name is Farial Sikander, makes him half Pakistani. Why are you in such denial about his background?

This is not well referenced paper, far from it. Not one of the source cited which talks specifically about Kashmir is from any reputable peer reviewed journal or book or an expert.

You have some serious comprehension issues. Or is it deliberate ignorance ? .. There is NO contradiction. Let me quote for you what the Report itself says (Page 15):

"For most Kashmiris, sexual violence is considered an inappropriate and difficult to discuss topic. Nevertheless, a rather high percentage of respondents (11.6%)- in comparison to other conflict areas ...

https://ru.msf.org/sites/russia/files/migrated/KASHMIR_FINAL_VERSION,_221106.pdf


So, what the authors are saying is that "In Kashmir prevalence of such acts could be higher because people are ashamed to talk about it as violation of modesty is considered very stigmatising for the women and family involved " ... but nevertheless a higher percentage of respondents talked about it compared to other conflict areas (like Chechnya, Sierra Leone etc.)

Do you get it now ? Genius

Now you are just being disingenuous.

Refer to Page number 24 of the report where the authors discuss the data collected for the report, second last paragraph. Let me quote it for you again,

The respondents reported suffering direct violations of their modesty and/or the witnessing of such acts since 1989. It is possible that the actual prevalence is higher as many people regard it as inappropriate to talk about sex-related issues. The survey found much higher numbers of people whom themselves had experienced sexual violence in comparison to findings in other surveys and contexts: Sierra Leone (2%), Sri Lanka (2%), Chechnya (0%) and Ingushetia (0.1%).26 This may be due to the fact that people in Kashmir feel freer to discuss a “violation of their modesty” than civilians living in those other contexts. Another possibility is that the definition of sexual violence varies among populations; in Kashmir, a “violation of modesty” includes inappropriate touching, which may contribute to the increased prevalence of sexual violence reported here if the other populations in surveys define sexual violence only as the act of rape.

Now tell me Einstein if you don't find those two statements contradictory!

No, he didn't say that the 1993 Report by HRW argues that. There are other HRW Reports on Human Rights Violations in Kashmir as well. I will get back to you on this when I have time. (Don't worry I will respond to that in detail) For now:

"HRW argues that sexual violence is an organised tactic, endorsed privately by military higher-ups in the Indian Army to procure information and disempower the enemy":

http://labs.tribune.com.pk/sexual-warfare-indian-kashmir/

Once again, that is not a direct quote from a HRW report, just like our Junaid Joseph English, Qadri Inzamam is paraphrasing and making his own assertion, and trying to pass it off as an observation made by HRW!

From 25 Years ago ?? This is from 2015:
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...s-kashmir-accused-human-rights-abuses-coverup

Indian security forces and police have been accused of the systematic use of torture. US officials first showed concern regarding the widespread use of torture in 2007 where they presented evidence to Indian diplomats. Human rights groups state that 150 top officers have participated in torture as well as sexual violence and that the Indian government was covering up such acts.

What human rights group? This so called latest evidence of yours is quoting unnamed sources and making claims out of thin air, not credible!

Fact is the OP used an HRW report from 1993, which was based on anecdotal claims from 1989-1990, and tried to pass it off as something that's relevant 25 years on!

 

[Hellfire]

@Roybot

Another interesting aspect ... It includes witnessing too. Frisking of women is by lady constables of JKP or CAPFs.


The respondents reported suffering direct violations of their modesty and/or the witnessing of such acts since 1989. It is possible that the actual prevalence is higher as many people regard it as inappropriate to talk about sex-related issues. The survey found much higher numbers of people whom themselves had experienced sexual violence in comparison to findings in other surveys and contexts: Sierra Leone (2%), Sri Lanka (2%), Chechnya (0%) and Ingushetia (0.1%).26 This may be due to the fact that people in Kashmir feel freer to discuss a “violation of their modesty” than civilians living in those other contexts. Another possibility is that the definition of sexual violence varies among populations; in Kashmir, a “violation of modesty” includes inappropriate touching, which may contribute to the increased prevalence of sexual violence reported here if the other populations in surveys define sexual violence only as the act of rape.

Source: https://defence.pk/threads/understa...ence-consequences.445402/page-7#ixzz4I9iybzJU

 

[punit]

They will get the Central and South Kashmir Valley. North Kashmir and West (Baramulla) is quiet as is Rajouri. Sopore, Ganderbal, Srinagar, Kulgam, Pulwama, Anantnag gets Nizam e Mustafa.

But that will be the beginning.

First they will invade and capture all of the Valley after 'requesting for International (read Pakistani) help'.

After that there will be consolidation for a few months and new demands will be made for Jammu and Kargil districts. You can expect similar riots in Jammu (30% Muslim population). Especially in the Eastern part. Then, of course there is Ladakh.

Eventually they will be able to take all of Jammu and Kashmir if they have a state in the Valley. From there Indian Punjab will be slowly destabilized, then Delhi, then Western UP (all contiguous areas).

This is considering that Pakistan does not want to annex India at all, but just reduce India's power. Even then, India will disintegrate after JnK is annexed by the Islamic Kashmir state. So eventually they will have all they will have the power to control.

Nuclear bombs would not be used because it would be an insurgency. Like today. Pakistan nor China will involve themselves directly.


Yes, I am. What about you?

First they will invade and capture all of the Valley after 'requesting for International (read Pakistani) help'.

Not by warfare ..in case of military invasion they will get babaji ka Thullu ! my question is if they get Azadi due to Plebiscite ( region wise) or through change of Indian heart will the people ( muslim or non muslim) of Non valley join them.

 

[Roybot]

@Roybot

Another interesting aspect ... It includes witnessing too. Frisking of women is by lady constables of JKP or CAPFs.


The respondents reported suffering direct violations of their modesty and/or the witnessing of such acts since 1989. It is possible that the actual prevalence is higher as many people regard it as inappropriate to talk about sex-related issues. The survey found much higher numbers of people whom themselves had experienced sexual violence in comparison to findings in other surveys and contexts: Sierra Leone (2%), Sri Lanka (2%), Chechnya (0%) and Ingushetia (0.1%).26 This may be due to the fact that people in Kashmir feel freer to discuss a “violation of their modesty” than civilians living in those other contexts. Another possibility is that the definition of sexual violence varies among populations; in Kashmir, a “violation of modesty” includes inappropriate touching, which may contribute to the increased prevalence of sexual violence reported here if the other populations in surveys define sexual violence only as the act of rape.

Source: https://defence.pk/threads/understa...ence-consequences.445402/page-7#ixzz4I9iybzJU

No actually those figures are different. According to the survey, 11.6% claimed to have personally faced sexual violence, 13.3% claimed to have witnessed and 63.9% of the respondents claim to have heard about sexual violence..

 

[SarthakGanguly]

change of Indian heart will the people ( muslim or non muslim) of Non valley join them.

No non Muslim or 'lesser' Muslim will join them voluntarily. A bit of carrot here and a bit of stick there - that may work. Majoritarianism can get very ugly very quickly. Regardless of religion.

Not as Joe Shearer. But there is a remarkable woman whose writings you might like. If you mail me, I'll send you her coordinates.

Sir, can you PM me here please, if you don't mind?

 

[Joe Shearer]

No non Muslim or 'lesser' Muslim will join them voluntarily. A bit of carrot here and a bit of stick there - that may work. Majoritarianism can get very ugly very quickly. Regardless of religion.


Sir, can you PM me here please, if you don't mind?

I'd be happy to, but how? You can't feature in a conversation, and your profile page shows no way to get to you.

 

[SrNair]

One has to look into the booming "Illegal abortion" business in the valley viz a viz to HRW report to understand the sexual warfare in the valley


Illegal abortions in Kashmir valley has been on a steep rise ...

Illegal ‘abortion racket’ busted in Srinagar
"The Jammu and Kashmir police on Saturday claimed to have busted a illegal ‘abortion racket’, running in the city centre here from last 15-years."

http://kashmirdispatch.com/2011/06/11/illegal-abortion-racket-busted-in-srinagar/103861/


A Growing Menace
"There has been a significant rise in the number of unmarried girls visiting the hospitals, health centres and private clinics across Kashmir to abort the fetuses."

http://www.kashmirlife.net/a-growing-menace-13846/


Abortion kits become over the counter drug in Kashmir
"However this pill, which has been in the market for last 14 years now and was considered to be a boon to women with unwanted pregnancies, has over the years been used for late abortions."
http://risingkashmir.com/news/abortion-kits-become-over-the-counter-drug-in-kashmir

And here is what HRW report quoted in the OP has to say about increase in abortions in Kashmir.

"The fear of rape has reportedly been a factor in the flight of Muslim families from Kashmir. However, cases of rape by militant groups are difficult to investigate because most Kashmiris are reluctant to discuss abuses by the militants out of fear of reprisal. According to one report, the increasing number of rapes has led to an increase in abortions in Kashmir, resulting in one case in the murder of a doctor who complained about having to perform them. Militants from the Hezb-ul Mujahidin and Al Jehad reportedly accused the doctor of being an informer."

https://www.hrw.org/sites/default/files/reports/INDIA935.PDF

Lol
After all last part of a malayalam movie 'KeertiChakra' was right.
Situation of women in insurgent area is same like that in the war.They are the most vulnerable.

 

[livingdead]

@waz @Oscar @WAJsal @WebMaster @Manticore

With honesty I will ask, may I also start a thread in similar topic about Pakistan by a "well researched" scholar from any of the university in India with all the tagging of international reports, NGOs and people quotes and portray that my neighbouring country also suffers a similar or may be worse fate like what's mentioned in this thread.

I can extend it to other nations as well with due permission.

Indeed I am bit sad that this facade has been allowed here in the name of J&K and brownie points are being scored.

"Those who live in glass houses should not throw stones"

I am not saying such incidents have not occurred to any armed forces across the globe nor I am saying such instances may not have happened in IA.

If and when such instances have happened, no one goes Scot free in IA. This is a known fact and there is no way it can be twisted. It is the same reason PA or IA as a institute is respected by both countries masses bcz they are immaculate when it comes to principal of justice and for maintaining such a integrity.

But the blatant attempt here is indeed shocking and i am really feeling that this propaganda needs to be curbed at this instant.

Rest is your call. I would always advocate certain topics are kept out of PDF. This actually not only crossed the line but rather it's a sad attempt to score brownie points in the name of J&K...

i disagree with glass house bit.. especially if it is about HR issues... human rights are universal.. we should unearth and expose violence all over the world including balochistan and other places in pakistan just like they should be able to do in kashmir... nothing wrong as long as you are not dishonest or hypocrite(defending at one place and condemning other based on your nationality/political leaning)