UN Official breaks down on air after Gaza school bombing

[Patriots]

Exactly ... People are forgetting that the root cause of problem in Middle East is Jihadists not U.S/Jews.

Aah ... Which Jihadists you are talking about ... Though this thread is about Gaza school bombing ........

 

[Lord ZeN]

Aah ... Which Jihadists you are talking about ... Though this thread is about Gaza school bombing ........

I'm taking about ME in general.Every human being condemn bombing schools. There can be no debate on that. So Why is Israel getting way with all these ? Thats what we need to discuss. Is it because UN is a useless organisation or because Hama is acknowledged as terrorist.

I am not one of those who outrightly deny the right of the Jews on the land what is now called Israel and Palestine. Jews have the right to live in those lands but so do the Palestinians. My resentment comes from the ruthless treatment of people of Palestine by the Jews, which is unacceptable for me. I also know that Arabs would have perhaps done the same or worse if they were in the position Israel is today. However, there is a human crisis in that region for a very long period of time, and it must come to an end. Unfortunately, the way Israel is trying to solve (if that is a solution at all) the problem will only complicate it further.

There is no denying that Israel is at fault. But Israel gets away with all these because Hama is a bigger Monster.

 

[Patriots]

I'm taking about ME in general.Every human being condemn bombing schools. There can be no debate on that. So Why is Israel getting way with all these ? Thats what we need to discuss. Is it because UN is a useless organisation or because Hama is acknowledged as terrorist.

Hamas is not a Jihadist organization they are just freedom fighters ... They are just fighting against usurper ............

 

[Chak Bamu]

The UN and its officials tears would be better placed if they cry over what is happening in Iraq than Israel.

The relative silence of the Muslim people over Iraq vis-a-vis the cacophony over Israel is damning and telling.

People are generally fatigued over Iraq and Syria. Not that it is not bloody or any less unfortunate. Its that the nature of conflict is different. Plus its coverage is different. Gaza is the latest battle in a very very long war that stretches back to the first half of last century.

No matter which side one takes in a conflict, one is bound to come up against contradictions. In case of Syria, one gets genuinely confused because there is hardly any clear moral distinction between both sides apart from a sense that people ought to have the right to choose their leaders in a fair election. For reasons of patronage, obvious sectarian and religious differences are given more exposure and have come to define that conflict. One thus recognizes that it is difficult to condemn one side of the other over any standard. I, for one have kept myself to myself and not commented much on the situation there. It is driven by geopolitics and Sectarianism, not a notion of right or wrong - excepting the principle of the right of self-determination.

But Gaza is very different. One clearly sees that both sides are claiming moral high-ground, which in case of Israel simply does not exist. We can see with our eyes what is happening. No responsible state can keep doing what Israelis are doing. Anyone who cares can see how Israelis have taken calculated action and provocation behind the screen of three dead Israeli teen-agers, that were NOT killed by Hamas, but by some lone wolf cell.

The political situation of Palestinians that had been weakened since Hamas had won elections was strengthened by Hamas and Fatah (PLO) deciding to make amends between themselves. This is the basic reason why Israel has taken such a strong action. But now Israelis are either trapped in their own rhetoric, or over-confident in their tunnel vision. I have a few American Jewish friends and they are ALL very upset and distressed at the Gazan situation. American press, long under-pressure for staying partisan has shown definite signs of shrugging off this pressure and striving to bring some sort of balance. It seems that AIPAC is open to criticism now. I have never seen that happening in any meaningful way.

A while back I opened a thread and shared thoughts of one of my American Jewish friends whose humanity, knowledge, and empathy I value very much. Since his thoughts are not typical material for feeding trolls, that thread garnered only a few posts. He has this to say about Israel in the back-drop of the current turmoil:

"As the state of Israel shows the worst face of the Jewish tradition, and anti-Semitism peaks its head from the dark crevices of the European collective unconscious, the time is right to set the best parts of Judaism against the worst and to celebrate the Jewish embrace of justice and diversity.

Perhaps the worst anti-Semites of today are the Israeli leaders who justify their abuse of Palestinians in the name of the Jewish people. The failure of some Jews to support the state can result in severe ostracism. My own otherwise kind and loving father recently condemned me as an anti-Semite for what I have been writing here in a strong message to family. In times of war you are either in or out. And if challenging Israel is equated with being anti-Semitic, and the phrase is repeated like a scratched record skipping, the enemies of Israel may find themselves unconsciously slipping into thinking of themselves as the enemies of the Jews. This is a categorical confusion whose results might be devastating.

The frustrations can get mixed in with an older and deeper tradition of anti-Semitism. The Jews have long been an ethnically exclusive yet cosmopolitan minority, simultaneously mercantile and socialistic, rigidly learned and eccentrically brilliant. And many have responded to these ambiguities with a queasy sort of repulsion. All peoples are diverse, but Jews may be most unique in their ability be so many things at once. Jews can be a colorful bunch, falling into no easy categories: Franz Kafka and Gertrude Stein, Karl Marx and George Soros, Sigmund Freud and Albert Einstein. The slide toward militaristic fascism in Israel not only threatens the ambiguity that has so long been a trademark of Jewish identity. It strains at the tolerance of others for a minority that refuses to be one thing."

The above is an excerpt from a long FB post that is read by many people including myself and most readers (often Jewish) support his views that are borne out of learning, empathy, observation, and travels to Palestine & Israel. I am not at liberty to disclose my friend's identity since, many Hasbara people come to PDF and I do not want them to troll him.

You can see the turmoil that has been caused by Israeli actions within wider Jewish community. It is not that a few people on PDF or only some Muslims from around the world are upset. The reality is very different, that gets totally lost amid all the trolling that goes on at PDF.

 

[syedali73]

There is no denying that Israel is at fault. But Israel gets away with all these because Hama is a bigger Monster.

How exactly Hamas is a bigger monster? Has Hammas occupied Israeli lands? Has Hammas killed 1200+ (85% innocent civilians) in just two weeks? Has Hammas enforced land and naval blockade of Israel for decades? Has Hammas constructed Palestinian settlements in Israeli lands occupied by Hammas? Does Hammas prevent Israelis from praying at the Western wall? Exactly how Hamas is a bigger monster?

 

[Lord ZeN]

Hamas is not a Jihadist organization they are just freedom fighters ... They are just fighting against usurper ............

But that's how the West views it. As long as Hama is do not get replaced the West + U.S not gonna do anything about it. I doesn't matter what u or I think.

How exactly Hamas is a bigger monster? Has Hammas occupied Israeli lands? Has Hammas killed 1200+ (85% innocent civilians) in just two weeks? Has school enforced land and naval blockade of Israel for decades? Has Hammas constructed Palestinian settlements in Israeli lands occupied by Hammas? Does Hammas prevent Israelis from praying at the Western wall? Exactly how Hamas is a bigger monster?

Hammas hasn't done it because Hammas can't do it. But the problem with Hammas is that they mixes religion with conflict. Every day they talk about Jihad & it sends wrong signal to the west. And with all the terror tunnel Hamas is digging up, it makes things worse.Even if Hammas is not a bigger monster many believe it has the capability to become one after all the ISIL saga.

 

[syedali73]

Hammas hasn't done it because Hammas can't do it.

Exactly, they cant do it. That is why they cant be the bigger monster.

But the problem with Hammas is that they mixes religion with conflict.

So does Jewish Israel state. All their actions are based on the ancient belief that God has gifted them this 'promised' land, and they and only they have the right to live in it.

Every day they talk about Jihad & it sends wrong signal to the west.

In his last and futile decade, Arafat (and his Al-Fatah) stopped talking about Jihad. What positive signal that attitude sent to West and to what yield?

And with all the terror tunnel Hamas is digging up, it makes things worse.

Gaza is under complete air, land, and naval blockade; you know the meaning of that? Even humanitarian aid is not allowed into Gaza. What is humanitarian aid by the way? food, water, and medicines. In absence of the basic necessities, what people of Gaza should do? Commit collective suicide in the red sea? or try to find means to somehow live?

Even if Hammas is not a bigger monster many believe it has the capability to become one after all the ISIL saga.

Who are those many? Those who destroyed the entire Iraq in the name of WMD, which could never be found? Those who are supporting Al-Qaida in Libya and Syria?

 

[Lord ZeN]

Exactly, they cant do it. That is why they cant be the bigger monster.

So does Jewish Israel state. All their actions are based on the ancient belief that God has gifted them this 'promised' land, and they and only they have the right to live in it.

In his last and futile decade, Arafat (and his Al-Fatah) stopped talking about Jihad. What positive signal that attitude sent to West and to what yield?

Gaza is under complete air, land, and naval blockade; you know the meaning of that? Even humanitarian aid is not allowed into Gaza. What is humanitarian aid by the way? food, water, and medicines. In absence of the basic necessities, what people of Gaza should do? Commit collective suicide in the red sea? or try to find means to somehow live?

Who are those many? Those who destroyed the entire Iraq in the name of WMD, which could never be found? Those who are supporting Al-Qaida in Libya and Syria?

When i said a "bigger monster" i meant a bigger monster to West & Rest of the World not to "Palestinian people". You are living in West (U.S) right. When Israel uses religious propaganda nobody cares about it since there has been no Zionist terror strikes. But when Hamas uses it then it sends chills down the spin for many in the West after 9/11.
Even Al-Jazeera (Pro -Gaza channel) says that there are Terror tunnels & there were reports on it.
I complete agree with u on the delusional mindset of U.S particularly in case of WMD in Iraq.
Ooops ... u r in Malaysia.

 

[syedali73]

When i meant bigger monster i meant bigger monster to West & Rest of the World not "Palestinian people". You are living in West (U.S) right. When Israel uses religious propaganda nobody care about since there has been no Zionist terror strikes. But when Hamas uses it then it sends chills down the spin for many in the West after 9/11.
Even Al-Jazeera (Pro -Gaza channel) says that their are Terror tunnels & there were reports on it.
I complete agree with on the delusional mindset of U.S particularly in case of WMD in Iraq.

It is about media and its power of propaganda, and media is in the hands of Zionists. Even Al-Jazeera is not as free a channel as you might think. It is owned by the Qatari government, the same Qatar which hosts US military in the region. Al-Jazeera is known to implant news and create confusion among the inhabitants of Arabic speaking countries in the pretext of a Muslim channel. Besides, it is about business, and businesses serve their clients with deepest pockets.

 

[Lord ZeN]

It is about media and its power of propaganda, and media is in the hands of Zionists. Even Al-Jazeera is not as free a channel as you might think. It is owned by the Qatari government, the same Qatar which hosts US military in the region. Al-Jazeera is known to implant news and create confusion among the inhabitants of Arabic speaking countries in the pretext of a Muslim channel. Besides, it is about business, and businesses serve their clients with deepest pockets.

Well nobody is physically present in Gaza to see what's actually happening there. All we can do is to watch " Unbiased media".
I always thought that Al-Jazeera is highly pro- Gaza.

 

[Chak Bamu]

Well nobody is physically present in Gaza to see what's actually happening there. All we can do is to watch " Unbiased media".
I always thought that Al-Jazeera is highly pro- Gaza.

You consistently betray a certain callousness when it comes to Palestinians. Do you consider them any less human than the rest of us?

 

[Jaanbaz]

Israel, USA and Hamas are responsible for this.

 

[VCheng]

You consistently betray a certain callousness when it comes to Palestinians. Do you consider them any less human than the rest of us?

It is important to keep highlighting the fact that he who dehumanizes another cannot but dehumanize himself too. This is a very important point that should be repeated often.

 

[Lord ZeN]

You consistently betray a certain callousness when it comes to Palestinians. Do you consider them any less human than the rest of us?

No i do not. I'm not from the winston churchill school of thought who believe S.Asians/Arab were less human than Europeans.
How did u get such an impression ?

 

[Dillinger]

You consistently betray a certain callousness when it comes to Palestinians. Do you consider them any less human than the rest of us?

The Indian perspective on this is very different Chak, in the days of Arafat the GOI and even the people were friendly and supportive of the Palestinian cause. This changed when we ourselves had to face Islamic extremism and terrorist attacks in our cities, the perception about Israel changed, it was viewed as a small nation, advanced in terms of technology and willing to wage war but also surrounded by larger states which were none too benign themselves. More importantly, it was viewed and is viewed as a state which has faced similar terrorist attacks as us (you may chart out the history, the causes or the pretexts surrounding said attacks but it will not change the fact that terrorist attacks did take place), this last bit and the close security cooperation has devalued Palestinian lives in the eyes of many who view the issue in simplistic terms and as a case of simply voicing support for one side or another sans any action or deliberation.