UN chief urges Syria cease-fire but Russia and China oppose

[TNT]

You can say the government don't represent the people, that could be true, could be not, many claim that most Chinese people are against the Chinese government, that's not true. But as for foreign policies, all countries only care about which side the governments take, not the people,besides, I don't see many Arab posters here in PDF talk nicely about Turkey either. Turkey has very few friends in the international community, that's a hard fact, Turkey is loved in PDF doesn't mean it's loved in the world. We have more friendly Muslim countries than Turkey can ever dream of, that's also a fact, we both know it.

We know almost all Pakistani people will side with Turkey if there's a dispute or conflict between China and Turkey, but did Pakistani government join Turkey to condemn China? No. and that's enough for China, we never expected more.

I never claimed about the world. I also did not mention arabs, though not all arabs are against Turkey, only the monarchs that too because they see political Islam a threat to their monarchy. Sunni arabs of syria and Egypt both favor Turkey. My point was that china should avoid painting itself as ally of shias as this will cause most muslims to not trust china. China should rather remain neutral and work for peace.

 

[beijingwalker]

I never claimed about the world. I also did not mention arabs, though not all arabs are against Turkey, only the monarchs that too because they see political Islam a threat to their monarchy. Sunni arabs of syria and Egypt both favor Turkey. My point was that china should avoid painting itself as ally of shias as this will cause most muslims to not trust china. China should rather remain neutral and work for peace.

China nevers sees this crisis a religious issue, China only sees different foreign powers trying to undermine legitimate Syrian government and it's within Syrian government full rights to bring the country back to peace and wipe out rebels and terrorists, you can be rest assured that China knows what she is doing, China never makes rash decision and gestures like some countries and foreign leaders do.

 

[TNT]

China nevers sees this crisis a religious issue, China only sees different foreign powers trying to undermine legitimate Syrian government and it's within Syrian government full rights to bring the country back to peace and wipe out rebels and terrorists, you can be rest assured that China knows what she is doing, China never makes rash decision and gestures like some countries and foreign leaders do.

That is because china does not understand religion, let alone Islam and what effects ot can have. Legitimacy needs to be defined, if there is a rebel govt, would that be legitimate for u? Howcome taliban were more legitimate than afghn govt for china? What about yemen situation?
In anycase ceasefire is good so why is china not wanting ceasfire in idlib??

 

[beijingwalker]

How come taliban were more legitimate than afghn govt for china?

Who told you that? China has very good relationship with Afghan government, Taliban in Chinese language means the same as terrorism.

In anycase ceasefire is good so why is china not wanting ceasfire in idlib??

Not always, if insurgencies waged a war against Pakistan government and your government troops are about to annihilate them and suddenly some foreign powers ask you to stop, would you follow their orders? China would not in that case at least.

 

[comci]

That is because china does not understand religion, let alone Islam and what effects ot can have.

That is because you pakistani never understood the chinese (east-asian) mindset as a whole. You, muslims have the tendency to project everything in life through the spectrum of religion. Ignore at your own peril.

 

[Beast]

China should stay away from muslims issues as china itself is not treating muslims well and all this can add to that.
It is also stupid to believe that handing over all of syria to asad will bring peace. He killed hundred of thousands of his citizens and people wont forget, there can hardly be peace under asad. At most it would be calm and flare up after sometime.
The only solution to syria and iraq is division of land based on sectarian affilliations. We all know its sunni vs shia/alawite/zaidi from syria to iraq leabanon and yemen. So accept the fault lines and divide these countries so they can live peacefully.

Another pathetic allegation against China.
https://www.blackagendareport.com/my-trip-china-exposed-shameful-lies-peddled-american-empire

 

[TNT]

Who told you that? China has very good relationship with Afghan government, Taliban in Chinese language means the same as terrorism.

Not always, if insurgencies waged a war against Pakistan government and your government troops are about to annihilate them and suddenly some foreign powers ask you to stop, would you follow their orders? China would not in that case at least.

Ur comparison is wrong, there is a difference between syria and Pakistan. Pakistan is a strategic all weather ally while syria is not.

That is because you pakistani never understood the chinese (east-asian) mindset as a whole. You, muslims have the tendency to project everything in life through the spectrum of religion. Ignore at your own peril.

We can say the same about u. And its understandable because we never mixed much and dont know each other deeply. We both should respect each other view, to us our religion is very important, its what makes us different from others and its what unites us across racial divides.

 

[beijingwalker]

We can say the same about u. And its understandable because we never mixed much and dont know each other deeply. We both should respect each other view, to us our religion is very important, its what makes us different from others and its what unites us across racial divides.

I agree totally, we should respect each other's views based on each others' own perspectives, did you ever see China tell Pakistan what to do in UN and point fingers at Pakistani internal affairs? We always know even between friends can never always see eye to eye with each other on everything, we respect differences.

 

[riscol]

Erdogan miscalculated the whole thing. He thought he could count on the backing from the NATO but Merkel and Macron refused. While US will not be involved militarily fighting the Russians it will only voice support for Turkey's intervention. We'll need wait how the Patriot missiles request goes but the outlook of Turkey alone facing Russia can only mean a major defeat.

 

[Kaniska]

Basically Erogan was diplomatically and militarily trapped in Syria conflict due his own miscalculation....I am not sure how the people of his country sees him as a leader when their soldiers are getting killed...

 

[Smarana Mitra]

By ur logic, if US and china fight, where will middle east stand? Pakistan have always been much closer to china than US, everyone knows this, same as middle east, far east countries are more closer to US. The US have also launched india against china. Couple that with uighur issue, id say china needs to work on its relations with muslim world. Brunei, malaysia have claims in SCS, so its just facial relations, we all know it. Central asian govts might stand with russia but ppl love Turkey, same as govt of Pakistan being staunch ally of saudi but ppl overwhelmingly love Turkey. There is a big history and if u read it, ull have an idea why Turkey have huge soft power among muslims. Egypt govt is anti Turkey but its ppl love Turkey and we saw how Turkey was close to egypt during muslim brotherhood govt. Having good relations with Turkey will enhance chinese image in those muslims that have love n respect for Turks.

There are only 2 contenders for the position of Caliph - Saudi Arabi and Iran. Turkey is nowhere near. People of Pakistan, Egypt etc may love Turkey on the basis of Islamic values, but if there is a conflict between Turkey and Arabs, everyone will support Arabs. Turkey will have the least support of all. Iran is the country which will have 2nd highest support after Arabic alliance (with KSA as head).

 

[IblinI]

Basically Erogan was diplomatically and militarily trapped in Syria conflict due his own miscalculation....I am not sure how the people of his country sees him as a leader when their soldiers are getting killed...

The big picture is not so important here, all they need is revenge and a few drone strike footage.

 

[beijingwalker]

People of Pakistan, Egypt etc may love Turkey on the basis of Islamic values,

Not sure about the people, but Egyptian government considers Turkey their No.1 enemy.

 

[Smarana Mitra]

Not sure about the people, but Egyptian government considers Turkey their No.1 enemy.

Egypt had a popular Muslim brotherhood government recently. It was supported by Turkey. Naturally, Turkey has an influence on Egypt people. The current government of Egypt arose because West felt that an Islamic extremist government will send shockwave across and would instigate anti muslim sentiment. Hence they made GCC cut off funds to Egypt. Egypt was importing 60% of its grains which meant that with shortage of funds, Egypt would starve to death. So, Muslim Brotherhood government was removed and Sisi was installed. It was shortage of food, not lack of emotional support which forced Egyptian hand. So, Turkey is still popular in Egypt. Even Egypt government is not against Turkey as there is a deep understanding between Turkey and Saudi Arabia who in turn dictates Egypt. The pretension of enmity is only public display rather than reality

 

[OldTwilight]

Turkey is now fulfilling it's destiny as the "trigger" to the coming Malhama. And Turkey is standing on the side of zionist-kafirs. Whether it does this knowingly or unknowingly, isn't of any consequence anymore. Most of the Middle East is blinded by the "Sunni-Shia Divide". While others are pursuing their own agendas, walking into the "Black Hole of Destruction".

Turkey still has the chance to walk away from this ridiculously absurd mistake, if it partners up with Russia and Iran to resolve the Syrian conflict, peacefully. By disarming the terrorists, or by joining Russia to eliminate these terrorists. Only then will Turkey see how zionist-kafirs (america, britain and france) will retaliate against Russia, Turkey and Iran.

Turkey may not know this, but zionist-kafirs are using Turkey as a pawn, a sacrificial lamb, to start a war with Russia. Turkey is walking into a trap, set by the zionist-kafirs. The same way the ottomans fell into the trap over a hundred years ago, by going to war with Russia. And Russia ought to know this, that they (britain & france) were not your allies back then, nor are they going to show any mercy, now. Because britain and france are zionist-kafir controlled states.

At the present time, it seems clear that Turkey is hurtling toward an open war with Syria. As this unfolds, Iran will directly confront Turkey. This will, in effect become a two front war for Turkey. And this will ravage Turkey to the point of no return. The losses that Turkey will suffer, will go unanswered by NATO. And that's when desperation will take shape in Turkey, which would lead to Turkey taking rash decisions, which cost it dearly.

Turkey must understand, that using Islam as a basis to legitimize your ear on Syria, will see you punished by Allah, with a terrible end. The same terrible end which the saudi, qatari, emirati regimes are marked for! Turkey should also understand that Muslim countries would only support Turkey, if Turkey were to be in a fighting war against israel. When it comes to Turkey vs Syria, Turkey's chances of gaining Muslim countries support, are next to nothing.

If Turkey had played ball with the Russians, and eliminated all terrorists from Northern Syria. Turkey would've seen Syria eliminate and lock down all kurdish terrorists. Syria would've been glad to do so, since Kurds are supported directly by israel. And today millions of Syrians would've returned to their country, swiftly.

Sadly, today turkey has sealed it's date and there is chance of any Muslim country which would ever support it against Syria. Regardless of Assad's crimes, it will not buy Turkey any support. So Turkey has splash around all it wants, it is only going to get worse for it. Turkey may see a few minor victories, but in the end, it will suffer a heavy defeat from which it would not ever be able to recover.

Assad term is going to end in 2021 and as Syrian law and both Iran and Russia planned , he will leave Syria politics and let new figure participate in Syrian Presidential election ....
But the plan was to finish Syrian civil war and unit Syria under a Central government before Assad era is done .....

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/President_of_Syria

So , the plan was/is to end civil war before 2021 and give Syrians new opportunity to start new era with 2021 election as a united nation....

Turkey just acting destructively ... their real goal is to annex Idlib and northern Syria ... they don't want this problem end ...

There are only 2 contenders for the position of Caliph - Saudi Arabi and Iran. Turkey is nowhere near. People of Pakistan, Egypt etc may love Turkey on the basis of Islamic values, but if there is a conflict between Turkey and Arabs, everyone will support Arabs. Turkey will have the least support of all. Iran is the country which will have 2nd highest support after Arabic alliance (with KSA as head).

Did you know that Shia believe none is fit to be Caliph in our era except Mahdi ( you can consider him as the Savior in islam) ... so trying to become like Caliph is against fundamental shia beliefs ...