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UN chief urges Syria cease-fire but Russia and China oppose

If u cant comprehend what i said, then u lack the ability to understand the point anyway.
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because of your out of control ego you'd rather say i dont understand something instead of accepting i have a good point. not surprised though, your posts are usually filled with fallacies.
 
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That is because china does not understand religion, let alone Islam and what effects ot can have. Legitimacy needs to be defined, if there is a rebel govt, would that be legitimate for u? Howcome taliban were more legitimate than afghn govt for china? What about yemen situation?
In anycase ceasefire is good so why is china not wanting ceasfire in idlib??
Wait, you are contradicting yourself- you said that CHina tries to see itself as friends of Shia, but then you come here and say China does not understand religion. Why would CHina get involved with something(Shia) that it doesnt understand(religion)???

Also, you're one HUGE HYPOCRITE- Muslim and religious Pakistan's best friend is China and you dont complain about that but now you want to come play religious victim to Shia in front of China? go sit down bro!!! your posts never surprise me- a good mix of victim complex and trolling.
 
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There are only 2 contenders for the position of Caliph - Saudi Arabi and Iran. Turkey is nowhere near. People of Pakistan, Egypt etc may love Turkey on the basis of Islamic values, but if there is a conflict between Turkey and Arabs, everyone will support Arabs. Turkey will have the least support of all. Iran is the country which will have 2nd highest support after Arabic alliance (with KSA as head).

While in reality neither iran nor saudi have remained caliph. It were the Turks. Banu ummaya and banu abbas u may consider arabs but iran???? Hahah who will even accept iran as caliph apart from shias?? And shias are a minority, hardly 15℅. Sunnis dont even pray behind a shia, let alone accepting their caliph, iran is not even in top 10, so forget that. The main contenders have always been arabs and Turks throughout history. Only recently have the size of muslims in Afghanistan/Pakistan and malaysia/indonesia grown. So maybe two new contenders.

Wait, you are contradicting yourself- you said that CHina tries to see itself as friends of Shia, but then you come here and say China does not understand religion. Why would CHina get involved with something(Shia) that it doesnt understand(religion)???

Also, you're one HUGE HYPOCRITE- Muslim and religious Pakistan's best friend is China and you dont complain about that but now you want to come play religious victim to Shia in front of China? go sit down bro!!! your posts never surprise me- a good mix of victim complex and trolling.

Lolz u cant even comprehend what i said. China doznt understand religion and sects and the history behind it. China see every country as independent of those bindings but that is not true for muslims. If china goes too far in supporting shias like iran and asad, it will loose support in GCC and even Pakistan, if it goes too much in support of saudi n seen as sunnibally, it will loose support in iran. My main point was that china should remain neutral and not indulge in something it doesnt understand. This syrian or any other war where iran is involved has sectarian and religious touches and better china stay away from it. You should read all the posts and try to understand the main point rather than acting like a dumb moderator searching for petty erorrs.
 
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Lolz u cant even comprehend what i said. China doznt understand religion and sects and the history behind it. China see every country as independent of those bindings but that is not true for muslims. If china goes too far in supporting shias like iran and asad, it will loose support in GCC and even Pakistan, if it goes too much in support of saudi n seen as sunnibally, it will loose support in iran. My main point was that china should remain neutral and not indulge in something it doesnt understand. This syrian or any other war where iran is involved has sectarian and religious touches and better china stay away from it.
China also carries out the same policy and never had problems with Muslim governments, unlike some countries with ever changing policies, China's foreign policy is very preditable, and now I only see that if the Pakistani government sides with some country so far, it may alienate itself from many countries. China's relatioship with GCC is at all time high now.
 
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UN chief urges Syria cease-fire but Russia and China oppose
By Edith M. Lederer | AP
Feb. 29, 2020 at 10:37 a.m. GMT+8

UNITED NATIONS — Secretary-General Antonio Guterres again called for an immediate cease-fire in northwestern Syria Friday “before the situation gets entirely out of control,” and 13 of the 15 nations on the U.N. Security Council supported his appeal at an emergency meeting — but not Syria’s closest ally Russia and China.


https://www.washingtonpost.com/worl...6de5be-5a9c-11ea-8efd-0f904bdd8057_story.html

that leaves the Syrian, Russian and Chinese governments with some explaining to do, i guess.

UNITED NATIONS, Feb. 27 (Xinhua) -- A Chinese envoy on Thursday said China attaches great importance to the humanitarian situation in Syria.Wu Haitao, China's deputy permanent representative to the UN, said at a Security Council meeting.

"China firmly supports the legitimate government of Syria and upholds its sovereignty, independence, unity and territorial integrity, which is also conducive to peace and stability in the Middle East," he said.

Wu added that China has played a constructive role throughout the Security Council's discussions on the humanitarian issue in Syria.

Stressing that each country has the right to express its own views and suggestions on specific issues and decide on its own voting position on the basis of its own principles and positions, Wu said China opposes the abuse of the Security Council platform to make groundless accusations against other countries.

http://www.xinhuanet.com/english/2020-02/28/c_138825222.htm

well, we all know China is not afraid to oppress it's own people, so this move to support Assad is not surprising.

i challenge their claim that this will serve peace and stability in the Middle East though.

a beaten down people can become a huge force in their next generation. especially generations who have seen their fathers and mothers abused by some other group (Assad's in this case) in their region.

and even if the Assad clan manages to hold on to power for hundereds of years, it'll always be a severe stain on their record, what they did to the other tribes of their country. maybe even a rallying cry for generations that come long after Assad himself has died of old age.
 
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China also carries out the same policy and never had problems with Muslim governments, unlike some countries with ever changing policies, China's foreign policy is very preditable, and now I only see that if the Pakistani government sides with some country so far, it may alienate itself from many countries. China's relatioship with GCC is at all time high now.

All time high in terms od business. If there is a war between US and china, the US pla es will fly from GCC bases to bomb china. Why is it so difficult for u to grasp this simple concept???? U can be frnd with all but strategic alliance is something else, its when in war who will stand with u.
 
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All time high in terms od business. If there is a war between US and china, the US pla es will fly from GCC bases to bomb china. Why is it so difficult for u to grasp this simple concept???? U can be frnd with all but strategic alliance is something else, its when in war who will stand with u.
We are in peace time, if a world war breaks out anything can happen, but chance is almost zero for now at least, I m talking about the real life we are having now, they are all China's good friends and we both benefit from this friendship. Don't always think about wars like it's a reality.
 
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All time high in terms od business. If there is a war between US and china, the US pla es will fly from GCC bases to bomb china. Why is it so difficult for u to grasp this simple concept???? U can be frnd with all but strategic alliance is something else, its when in war who will stand with u.
Are you sure that GCC will allow USA to use their land to attack China? GCC is still in control of their land and can deny USA the bases. Why do you think that GCC will aid USA? GCC may have allowed USA bases to protect itself from USSR and also to ensure that USA and GCC coordinate to help GCC further their strategic objective but that doesn't change the fact that GCC can deny the bases if it is against GCC interests
 
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Are you sure that GCC will allow USA to use their land to attack China? GCC is still in control of their land and can deny USA the bases. Why do you think that GCC will aid USA? GCC may have allowed USA bases to protect itself from USSR and also to ensure that USA and GCC coordinate to help GCC further their strategic objective but that doesn't change the fact that GCC can deny the bases if it is against GCC interests

I guess u dont have a deep study of GCC. Though they are our good friends, i can assure you they will stand by with US against anyone. Even Pakistan if required. Remember how saddam and gadafi were their best frnds once. Qatar is the new enemy which used to be a good frnd.
 
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I guess u dont have a deep study of GCC. Though they are our good friends, i can assure you they will stand by with US against anyone. Even Pakistan if required. Remember how saddam and gadafi were their best frnds once. Qatar is the new enemy which used to be a good frnd.

Saddam was an enemy as he invaded Kuwait. Gaddafi was also trying to vie for his dominance and was doing things independently. GCC will not side with USA in everything but only when USA offers them something useful. For example, GCC regularly helps Pakistan, Taliban against USA. Saudis attacked World Trade Center in 2001 to show their might. Qatar is not going against GCC but just pretending to go against. It is simply a means of playing 'good cop - bad cop' where Qatar acts like a rogue and funds jihadi activities like Taliban, Turkey etc while others act nice and play mediator role.

GCC will not side with USA in everything. If USA tried to sanction Pakistan is attack Pakistan, GCC will stop. GCC stopped USA from imposing international sanctions on Venezuela too. As a result USA could only impose domestic sanctions and Venezuela is free to sell oil, unlike Iran.
 
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Saddam was an enemy as he invaded Kuwait. Gaddafi was also trying to vie for his dominance and was doing things independently. GCC will not side with USA in everything but only when USA offers them something useful. For example, GCC regularly helps Pakistan, Taliban against USA. Saudis attacked World Trade Center in 2001 to show their might. Qatar is not going against GCC but just pretending to go against. It is simply a means of playing 'good cop - bad cop' where Qatar acts like a rogue and funds jihadi activities like Taliban, Turkey etc while others act nice and play mediator role.

GCC will not side with USA in everything. If USA tried to sanction Pakistan is attack Pakistan, GCC will stop. GCC stopped USA from imposing international sanctions on Venezuela too. As a result USA could only impose domestic sanctions and Venezuela is free to sell oil, unlike Iran.

Lolz as i said u dont have a deep study. Saddam.was first encouraged to fight against iran and then encouraged to attack Kuwait. What was mistake of gadafi again? Doing things independently? Independent of US. Correct urself, saudi helped Afghan mujahideen against USSR with US backing, they have never helped taliban against US. They have been backers of US and pulling Pakistan with US instructions. GCC have no power to stop sanctions, it was russia who vetoed it, get ur facts straight. GCC for the forseeable futire will never go against US. Why do u think they warning up to india? Ofcourse, because the US wants them to.
 
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What was mistake of gadafi again? Doing things independently?
Gaddafi threatened the position of GCC by acting independently and hence loosened GCC control on Islam. So, the idea was to reign in Gaddafi so that GCC gets a complete hold of it. I don't see how USA benefits from Libya as Libyan action resulted in oil production of Libya declining rapidly.

Correct urself, saudi helped Afghan mujahideen against USSR with US backing, they have never helped taliban against US. They have been backers of US and pulling Pakistan with US instructions.
No, Pakistan is fully supported and funded by Arabs. Even Taliban is supported by Arabs. The very fact that Taliban has been killing USA troops show that Arabs are funding Taliban and allowing them to attack USA. They only ask to cooperate in Afghanistan with USA to get cooperation in India-Pakistan conflict.

GCC have no power to stop sanctions, it was russia who vetoed it, get ur facts straight. GCC for the forseeable futire will never go against US.
GCC is part if petrodollar deal and hence can refuse to sanction dollars. I am not speaking if UN sanction but of dollars sanction. USA can impose dollars sanction despite UN as sewn in JCPOA deal with Iran. Only those involved in petrodollar can impose sanction or refuse sanction of dollars. Russia is not involved in petrodollar.

Why do u think they warning up to india? Ofcourse, because the US wants them to.
No, GCC is warming up to India because India is powerful and has started to flex its muscle after Modi. GCC didn't warm upto India before Modi but suddenly changed tactics as situation changed.

USA was kicked out from buying oil using dollars and hence USA went on energy independence. USA is only pretending to be nice to India as India has strength to destroy dollar hegemony. But in reality, USA has not changed it real policy towards India.
 
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Gaddafi threatened the position of GCC by acting independently and hence loosened GCC control on Islam. So, the idea was to reign in Gaddafi so that GCC gets a complete hold of it. I don't see how USA benefits from Libya as Libyan action resulted in oil production of Libya declining rapidly.
Lolz libya was going independent from USA, wanted to use other currencies and gold for oil sale. GCC only acted on behalf of US, go listen to gadafi speeches and what he says about US GCC nexus. So should i believe an indian or gadafi?

No, Pakistan is fully supported and funded by Arabs. Even Taliban is supported by Arabs. The very fact that Taliban has been killing USA troops show that Arabs are funding Taliban and allowing them to attack USA. They only ask to cooperate in Afghanistan with USA to get cooperation in India-Pakistan conflict.
U r wrong and totally talking nonsense. US have blamed Pakistan times and again for supporting taliban but have never blamed saudi or GCC. Infact taliban dont have any good relations with UAE, remember how taliban changed negotiations location from dubai and refused to arrange any meeting in UAE and clearly cited trust issues. GCC only helped mujahideen on behalf of US against USSR, after that they even disowned osama. Taliban have never been helped by GCC. China and russia habe helpwd them more.

GCC is part if petrodollar deal and hence can refuse to sanction dollars. I am not speaking if UN sanction but of dollars sanction. USA can impose dollars sanction despite UN as sewn in JCPOA deal with Iran. Only those involved in petrodollar can impose sanction or refuse sanction of dollars. Russia is not involved in petrodollar.

Do u have any proof to back that up? U seem to be talking out of nowhere. If u talking about OPEC+ then russia is a member of that as well, russia have oil too, go figure out. Venezuela is a russian ally and russia helped it evade UN sanctions, why dnt u go study it.

No, GCC is warming up to India because India is powerful and has started to flex its muscle after Modi. GCC didn't warm upto India before Modi but suddenly changed tactics as situation changed.

USA was kicked out from buying oil using dollars and hence USA went on energy independence. USA is only pretending to be nice to India as India has strength to destroy dollar hegemony. But in reality, USA has not changed it real policy towards India.

How exactly is india flexing its muscle? By killing its own citizens? That doesnt impress anyone, if anything, india got slapped by a weaker country last year. Also this all disnt just suddenly came out of modi's a**, it started in obama time when US staryed policy of supporting india against china. US encouraged its allies to help n strengthen india against china, hence the attention from Australia, Japan, south korea and GCC, all staunch american allies, not to forget israel. Also india is not powerful, neither can it damage dollar, these are all ur illusions, took india out of developing country index and india was crying. Even GCC and US pushed Pakistan to fix relations with india, which backfired.
 
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U r wrong and totally talking nonsense. US have blamed Pakistan times and again for supporting taliban but have never blamed saudi or GCC. Infact taliban dont have any good relations with UAE, remember how taliban changed negotiations location from dubai and refused to arrange any meeting in UAE and clearly cited trust issues. GCC only helped mujahideen on behalf of US against USSR, after that they even disowned osama. Taliban have never been helped by GCC. China and russia habe helpwd them more
USA didn't blame Saudis for 9-11 attack either. This is because Saudis are USA allies and hence USA can't speak against them. But Pakistan is not USA ally but Saudi ally and hence USA can blame Pakistan.

As I said, Qatar and GCC are playing good cop and bad cop game. When 9-11 happened, it was Saudi citizens and masterminded by Osama, all funded by GCC.

Do u have any proof to back that up? U seem to be talking out of nowhere. If u talking about OPEC+ then russia is a member of that as well, russia have oil too, go figure out. Venezuela is a russian ally and russia helped it evade UN sanctions, why dnt u go study it.
I am speaking of petrodollar. Iran doesn't have UN sanction but Dollar sanctions. Similarly, Venezuela could also face dollar sanction. But Petrodollar arrangements means that those who are using dollar for their trade also have to consent to dollar sanction. This means that if USA imposes dollar sanction on Venezuela, then those who are using dollar for foreign trade like UAE, KSA who have pegged their currency to dollar will also not be able to trade with these countries and that will be against their interests. So, dollar sanction requires the consent of all countries who have stake in petrodollar arrangement. There is no proof as Petrodollar is not public deal but a secret one. Nevertheless, it is common sense that sanction of a currency require the consent of all the stakeholders.

How exactly is india flexing its muscle? By killing its own citizens? That doesnt impress anyone, if anything, india got slapped by a weaker country last year. Also this all disnt just suddenly came out of modi's a**, it started in obama time when US staryed policy of supporting india against china. US encouraged its allies to help n strengthen india against china, hence the attention from Australia, Japan, south korea and GCC, all staunch american allies, not to forget israel. Also india is not powerful, neither can it damage dollar, these are all ur illusions, took india out of developing country index and india was crying. Even GCC and US pushed Pakistan to fix relations with india, which backfired.
USA tried to make Indian economy intertwined with USA economy so that India can be controlled through political pressure of sanctions and that is where the USA policy comes from. This was done in consultation with Arabs who wanted to gain a hold over India. This was started after kargil war time when USA sanction didn't work against India and hence USA-Arabs realised that India has to be given incentives. It was started by Bush era policy, not Obama's.

Nevertheless, India has strength in its leverage over Islamic world by having 200 million Muslim population. This means that India can use force and expel them and hence create refugee crisis in middle east. So, USA-Arab policy of making India dependent on Petrodollar didn't work. In turn, India could ensure that entire middle east collapse and hence gain a major control over petroleum supply. This means that if India chooses to create refugee crisis, dollar will collapse. This is how India is flexing its muscle.

Reality is that GCC wanted to politically intervene in India via USA but was spoiled by India. So, due to Indian leverage over petroleum supply, USA is pretending to be nice and GCC is pretending to be nice due to Indian leverage over Muslims.
 
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USA didn't blame Saudis for 9-11 attack either. This is because Saudis are USA allies and hence USA can't speak against them. But Pakistan is not USA ally but Saudi ally and hence USA can blame Pakistan.

As I said, Qatar and GCC are playing good cop and bad cop game. When 9-11 happened, it was Saudi citizens and masterminded by Osama, all funded by GCC.


I am speaking of petrodollar. Iran doesn't have UN sanction but Dollar sanctions. Similarly, Venezuela could also face dollar sanction. But Petrodollar arrangements means that those who are using dollar for their trade also have to consent to dollar sanction. This means that if USA imposes dollar sanction on Venezuela, then those who are using dollar for foreign trade like UAE, KSA who have pegged their currency to dollar will also not be able to trade with these countries and that will be against their interests. So, dollar sanction requires the consent of all countries who have stake in petrodollar arrangement. There is no proof as Petrodollar is not public deal but a secret one. Nevertheless, it is common sense that sanction of a currency require the consent of all the stakeholders.


USA tried to make Indian economy intertwined with USA economy so that India can be controlled through political pressure of sanctions and that is where the USA policy comes from. This was done in consultation with Arabs who wanted to gain a hold over India. This was started after kargil war time when USA sanction didn't work against India and hence USA-Arabs realised that India has to be given incentives. It was started by Bush era policy, not Obama's.

Nevertheless, India has strength in its leverage over Islamic world by having 200 million Muslim population. This means that India can use force and expel them and hence create refugee crisis in middle east. So, USA-Arab policy of making India dependent on Petrodollar didn't work. In turn, India could ensure that entire middle east collapse and hence gain a major control over petroleum supply. This means that if India chooses to create refugee crisis, dollar will collapse. This is how India is flexing its muscle.

Reality is that GCC wanted to politically intervene in India via USA but was spoiled by India. So, due to Indian leverage over petroleum supply, USA is pretending to be nice and GCC is pretending to be nice due to Indian leverage over Muslims.

Im sorry i didnt realize ur a total moron, i thought maybe ur one of reasonable indians. Push away ur 200 million muslims and create a refugee crisis?? Hahahaha what r u smoking man? U know nothing and all u uttered is almost all BS, sacred for u but just BS for us.
 
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