Ultra Far Right Nationalism on the rise in Europe and Russia

[vostok]

Greco-Roman was European, but the Christianity started as a foreign Middle Eastern religion, later it became europeanized in Europe.

And the ancient Russia/Ukraine was Scythia, you also think it was not European?

Greco-Romans were in continent Europe - part of them. Europeans in that's time were wild barbarians.
Scythians - Persian tribes. Russian - Slavic.
In 100 years may be only Russia and few Eastern European countries will remains Europeans.

Most Arabs were Christians during the pre-Islamic era.

And what great achivments they made? Arabs become great nation and great civilization after Muslim.

 

[RangerPK]

Most Arabs were Christians during the pre-Islamic era.

True, you can argue Middle East was Muslim even before Islam, because Middle Eastern people used to follow the Prophets of God from Ibrahim's second son Isaaq, They used to follow Prophet, Isaaq, Prophet Moses, Prophet Yusaf, Prophet Isa/Jesus, till the last Prophet came in the Middle East from Prophet Ibrahim's first son, Ismail. He was Prophet Muhammad. Thus the Middle Eastern people became the followers of Prophet Muhammad, because for them he was just another ( but last) Prophet from the series of Prophet-hood from the Ibrahimic family. Thus I say, Islam is the logical conclusion of Christianity, and majority of the population in Middle is Muslim now; A region from which Christianity started. However, Europeans, for some reason, are stubborn to accept this.


PS: There were also polytheist in the Middle East during that time.

 

[vostok]

If you think, Christianity made what Europe is today, then it is probably because of Christian values in Europe, but now, those Christian values are disappearing in Europe? Does Europe need a Religion of Christian values? If so, don't you think Islam is the next best candidate for that? if not Christianity?

This is what I mean when I say, there is a vacuum in Europe right now, which needs to be filled, and it is being filled by Islam right now, because Christianity is not filling it....

I think the next best candidate - Orthodox Christianity. And I think some day Pope will unite Catholics wiht Orthodox - if he wants to save part of Europe.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

Greco-Romans were in continent Europe - part of them. Europeans in that's time were wild barbarians.
Scythians - Persian tribes. Russian - Slavic.
In 100 years may be only Russia and few Eastern European countries will remains Europeans.

Scythia was a common culture, not exclusively Iranians.

The historical Scythians in East Europe were mostly Slavs, i think it is pretty indigenous East European, but the whole Europe got influenced by semitic culture via Christianity.

I think whether Europe becomes Muslim or returns its Pagan root, it will always remain European.

Christianity is the older brother of Islam, it didn't turn Europe into non-European, yet why Islam will turn Europe into non-European?

It doesn't make sense.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

And what great achivments they made? Arabs become great nation and great civilization after Muslim.

Both Christianity and Islam were created by the ancestor of the Arab people, therefore i don't think switching these two religions would have the major impact to their society.

Remember, Albanians and Bosniaks are Europeans, while Pakistanis and Bangladeshis are South Asians, Islam didn't change their identity.

 

[vostok]

Scythia was a common culture, not exclusively Iranians.

The historical Scythians in East Europe were mostly Slavs, i think it is pretty indigenous East European, but the whole Europe got influenced by semitic culture via Christianity.

I think whether Europe becomes Muslim or returns its Pagan root, it will always remain European.

Christianity is the older brother of Islam, it didn't turn Europe into non-European, yet why Islam will turn Europe into non-European?

It doesn't make sense.

Slavic tribes were part of Scyphian state, but they were not Scythian. China was part of Mongolia - but Chinese were not Mongolians?
The rest Parsian people in Russia - Osetians.
Hard to explain to a person whose culture does not imply a belief in God, why a country should remain in exactly the faith in which she borates to God.
If people lose faith - ceases to be a nation. We have passed it after the Revolution. The party fought the "Great Russian chauvinism" - because of this Little Russians (Ukrainians) and White Russians (Belarusians) were recognized as distinct peoples, and not part of the Russian, as it has been for thousands of years.
Russian people are very badly damaged, and only now the identity of the Russian world begins to recover.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

Slavic tribes were part of Scyphian state, but they were not Scythian. China was part of Mongolia - but Chinese were not Mongolians?
The rest Parsian people in Russia - Osetians.
Hard to explain to a person whose culture does not imply a belief in God, why a country should remain in exactly the faith in which she borates to God.
If people lose faith - ceases to be a nation. We have passed it after the Revolution. The party fought the "Great Russian chauvinism" - because of this Little Russians (Ukrainians) and White Russians (Belarusians) were recognized as distinct peoples, and not part of the Russian, as it has been for thousands of years.
Russian people are very badly damaged, and only now the identity of the Russian world begins to recover.

Well, Scythians actually carried the European/Slavic clade of R1a AKA R1a-Z283, which is distinct from the Indo-Iranian clade AKA R1a-Z93.

http://www.scirp.org/journal/PaperInformation.aspx?paperID=21698

Because they descended from a forrest-steppe Corded Ware tribe Abashevo close to their Aryan/Indo-Iranian R1a-Z93 neighbor, that's why they got linguistically/culturally Iranicized, while genetically remained Slavic.

BTW, the true genetic descendants of the Scythians were Don Cossacks, not Ossetians. Since Ossetians are only linguistically descended from the Scythians, but genetically they are the native folks in Caucacus who got linguistically/culturally Scythianized by the ancient Scythians.

BTW, the history of Russia and East Europe is interesting, i think you guys will remain Europeans, you don't have to worry about.

 

[vostok]

Well, Scythians actually carried the European/Slavic clade of R1a AKA R1a-Z283, which is distinct from the Indo-Iranian clade AKA R1a-Z93.

http://www.scirp.org/journal/PaperInformation.aspx?paperID=21698

Because they descended from a forrest-steppe Corded Ware tribe Abashevo close to their Aryan/Indo-Iranian R1a-Z93 neighbor, that's why they got linguistically/culturally Iranicized, while genetically remained Slavic.

BTW, the true genetic descendants of the Scythians were Don Cossacks, not Ossetians. Since Ossetians are only linguistically descended from the Scythians, but genetically they are the native folks in Caucacus who got linguistically/culturally Scythianized by the ancient Scythians.

BTW, the history of Russia and East Europe is interesting, i think you guys will remain Europeans, you don't have to worry about.

The Scythians had shared with "Royal Scythians" - actually the Scythians, they were warriors and kings, and the Scythians in forest - these were pure Slavs, tributaries of the Royal Scythians.
In the steppe had so many waves - from the Huns and the Scythians to the Nagai and Tatars, there is mixed all races and peoples.
Cossacks - not a nation, but a military class. Most of them - the Russian, but there were Caucasians, and even the Mongols.
Ossetians - the last descendants of the Scythians, they retain their language and customs (not in its pure form, of course).
Genetics - not always a sufficient criterion, more important are language, faith and traditions.
We will remain Europeans, becuase nowadays houndreds of Orthodox chichers are build in Russia. Thet's why we save our identity.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

The Scythians had shared with "Royal Scythians" - actually the Scythians, they were warriors and kings, and the Scythians in forest - these were pure Slavs, tributaries of the Royal Scythians.
In the steppe had so many waves - from the Huns and the Scythians to the Nagai and Tatars, there is mixed all races and peoples.
Cossacks - not a nation, but a military class. Most of them - the Russian, but there were Caucasians, and even the Mongols.
Ossetians - the last descendants of the Scythians, they retain their language and customs (not in its pure form, of course).
Genetics - not always a sufficient criterion, more important are language, faith and traditions.

Most Scythians were native East European Slavs, but they got linguistically/culturally Iranicized by the steppe Indo-Iranians, so this means the Iranian ruler ruled over many other Slavic Scythians.

Just like the Anglo-Saxons got ruled by the French Normans, the Royal Family was French Normans, but the rest folks were Anglo-Saxons.

Scythia got ruled by some Iranian elites in small number, but the rest Scythians were still Slavs.

Scythia was still Slavic just like England is Anglo-Saxon.

 

[vostok]

Most Scythians were native East European Slavs, but they got linguistically/culturally Iranicized by the steppe Indo-Iranians, so this means the Iranian ruler ruled over many other Slavic Scythians.

Just like the Anglo-Saxons got ruled by the French Normans, the Royal Family was French Normans, but the rest folks were Anglo-Saxons.

Scythia got ruled by some Iranian elites in small number, but the rest Scythians were still Slavs.

Scythia was still Slavic just like England is Anglo-Saxon.

No. It is different.
Royal scythians did not marrige with forest Skythians (Slavic). Forest Skythians(Slavic) did not know Scythians language. They just pay tribute and that is all. No mix.
You know, actually their domination above Slavic were nominative. Slavic could go in deep forests into the north (many did). Then Scythians were superseded by Sarmatians. Before Scythains were Kimmerians.
Chinese must know thet steppe people always move and always try to invade and to impose a tribute.

 

[Wholegrain]

Most Scythians were native East European Slavs, but they got linguistically/culturally Iranicized by the steppe Indo-Iranians, so this means the Iranian ruler ruled over many other Slavic Scythians.

Just like the Anglo-Saxons got ruled by the French Normans, the Royal Family was French Normans, but the rest folks were Anglo-Saxons.

Scythia got ruled by some Iranian elites in small number, but the rest Scythians were still Slavs.

Scythia was still Slavic just like England is Anglo-Saxon.

I have heard that Russians are Slavicized and Christianized Finno Ugrians. The theory is that they were originally pagan finno ugrians and Kievan Rus slavicized them by language and convert them to christianity.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

No. It is different.
Royal scythians did not marrige with forest Skythians (Slavic). Forest Skythians(Slavic) did not know Scythians language. They just pay tribute and that is all. No mix.
You know, actually their domination above Slavic were nominative. Slavic could go in deep forests into the north (many did). Then Scythians were superseded by Sarmatians. Before Scythains were Kimmerians.
Chinese must know thet steppe people always move and always try to invade and to impose a tribute.

The Royal Scythians were actually Iranicized Corded Abashevo tribes (most eastern Balto-Slavic tribe), and they got brainwashed by the steppe Aryan supremacy, they tended to look down at the non-Iranian speaking forest Scythians (Slavs). But the recent genetic test shows that they were genetically identical to the Slavs.

Actually both Balto-Slavic and Indo-Iranian descended from the Proto-Indo-European Yamna culture in South Russia/Ukraine. About 6000 years ago, the two groups headed toward two different directions.

- The original Proto-Indo-European Yamna tribes were Mediterranean type.

- The Yamna tribes headed toward the northwest Baltic regions and mixed with the indigenous North Europeans to create the blonde Nordic Corded Ware (Balto-Slavic) tribes.

- The Yamna tribes headed towards the eastern Caspian steppe became the Indo-Iranian tribes and remained the same Mediterranean type as their PIE ancestor.

- Scythians carried R1a-Z283 and were the very blonde Nordic type like Balto-Slavic, but they got culturally brainwashed by the Aryan/Indo-Iranian tribes in the east.

But you are right, the steppe people were not that nice when it came to the tax and tribute, our ancestors also got often threatened and harrassed by the steppe nomads as well.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

I have heard that Russians are Slavicized and Christianized Finno Ugrians. The theory is that they were originally pagan finno ugrians and Kievan Rus slavicized them by language and convert them to christianity.

The modern Russians have heavily mixed with the Finno-Ugrians and converted into Christianity, but they are still predominantly East Slavs.

 

[Developereo]

When did I talk about "conquests"

Your comments substantiate some people's fear that Europe will lose its cultural identity and become a Muslim continent. They don't differentiate between conversion and immigration.

There is no need to fuel this irrational fear.

 

[flamer84]

True, you can argue Middle East was Muslim even before Islam, because Middle Eastern people used to follow the Prophets of God from Ibrahim's second son Isaaq, They used to follow Prophet, Isaaq, Prophet Moses, Prophet Yusaf, Prophet Isa/Jesus, till the last Prophet came in the Middle East from Prophet Ibrahim's first son, Ismail. He was Prophet Muhammad. Thus the Middle Eastern people became the followers of Prophet Muhammad, because for them he was just another ( but last) Prophet from the series of Prophet-hood from the Ibrahimic family. Thus I say, Islam is the logical conclusion of Christianity, and majority of the population in Middle is Muslim now; A region from which Christianity started. However, Europeans, for some reason, are stubborn to accept this.


PS: There were also polytheist in the Middle East during that time.

I will tell you why that happens,you will not like it.If you would have tried an amiable conversion,gently explaining Islam 101 maybe,just maybe you would have stood a chance,but after we saw how islamic countries look like nowadays,the wacky laws they have,this constant push "Europe must..." not only that we don't want it,we're afraid of it,we resent it like a host resents a virus.I'm sry that you don't understand this but current Islam goes against everything we stand for today,if you think otherwise it's your business,just don't dream to a mass conversion like christianity in roman times.Not gonna happen.Accepting the current form of Islam is like reverting to the middle ages.

I think the next best candidate - Orthodox Christianity. And I think some day Pope will unite Catholics wiht Orthodox - if he wants to save part of Europe.

Never under his rule! Not even with a "primus inter pares" position for the pope.If he's so pious(which i always doubt about catholic popes) he should renounce his ruling privileges and don't get me started at the other things catholics should corect in general.