Ukraine to nationalize Motor Sich, An-225 Mriya engine maker

[zhxy]

If you think China is pissed then you got it wrong, just pay back the money and all is fine. For China 5 billion is nothing still it is cash. The one who should be pissed are Indians after receiving some heavy beating from the Chinese troops. Also being an American dog Indians have proven themselves lacking self respect, no wonder everybody is sheeeeeting on India by telling you guys to build more toilets instead of trolling.

Ukrainians do not want to pay back. This is public robbery.

 

[Beast]

Yeah... no.

This guy is an ungrateful ingrate. Who curse and swear at Chinese despite giving soft loan and huge military assist to Pakistan.

 

[KurtisBrian]

One country starting to realize the benefits that superior technology and industry bring to a nation.

Never a smart move. Nobody will dare to invest in ukraine as any of your investment is not gurantee. Plus Ukraine government is basically bankrupt. Where are they to get the money to sustain Motor Sich?

People invested in? raised up? China. China had a revolution and nationalized everything.
Saudi Arabia nationalized Saudi Aramco, what? a trillion dollar company? US did nothing. Keeps giving hundreds of billions to Saudis plus nations and people eagerly do business with the Saudis.
Lots of other countries have gone socialist (fascist or communist) nationalized everything. Almost all are traded with.
So long as a nation has something to offer people will come.
Ukraine no money? Perhaps there might be somebody behind the scenes secretly paying to block China.

 

[bshifter]

This guy is an ungrateful ingrate. Who curse and swear at Chinese despite giving soft loan and huge military assist to Pakistan.

his bosom buddy must be Turkey?

 

[Beast]

One country starting to realize the benefits that superior technology and industry bring to a nation.



People invested in? raised up? China. China had a revolution and nationalized everything.
Saudi Arabia nationalized Saudi Aramco, what? a trillion dollar company? US did nothing. Keeps giving hundreds of billions to Saudis plus nations and people eagerly do business with the Saudis.
Lots of other countries have gone socialist (fascist or communist) nationalized everything. Almost all are traded with.
So long as a nation has something to offer people will come.
Ukraine no money? Perhaps there might be somebody behind the scenes secretly paying to block China.

You are comparing orange to apple. China never even open up their state enterprise for foreign invest.

While Ukraine going back their words after taking Chinese money. You think the Chinese can invest in the first place without Ukraine state blessing?

Going back their words is just show what kind of characters they have and absolutely not trustworthy.

 

[bshifter]

You are comparing orange to apple. China never even open up their state enterprise for foreign invest.

While Ukraine going back their words after taking Chinese money. You think the Chinese can invest in the first place without Ukraine state blessing?

Going back their words is just show what kind of characters they have and absolutely not trustworthy.

If Ukraine wants to have the Australian treatment China can deliver another one.

 

[Yongpeng Sun-Tastaufen]

They still make a lot of engines if you check their website. May be Pakistan should consult them to build an engine for ATAK helicopter.

They don't have the capability to build a modern engine. All their engines are legacy ones from 1980s.

 

[ZeEa5KPul]

This guy is an ungrateful ingrate. Who curse and swear at Chinese despite giving soft loan and huge military assist to Pakistan.

his bosom buddy must be Turkey?

I don't need to bother doing an analysis of why the guy hates China (plenty of people do, and you know what they say about opinions), and there's no need for either of you guys to cop a warning over it. All I need say is that what he says about the Z-10 is simply untrue. It's possible it might have been true once, but it certainly isn't true now. The Z-10ME has at least as powerful an engine as his favourite assembled in Turkey with American engines/Italian airframe/French electronics helicopter.

The Z-10 did not fail any trial on merit. If another helicopter was selected, I think we all understand why.

 

[That Guy]

probably not a smart move. China is it's only customer and China has better domestic engines. It's engines are now only being used on trainers and cargo planes where performance isn't a major requirement. In other words, China is interested in the production line not the technology. Without Chinese investment, Motor Sich would not have funds for R&D. It's products will eventually get so outdated that not even trainers and cargo planes will use it.

Then China should simple replace the Ukrainian engines with Chinese ones. I don't buy that argument.

 

[casual]

Then China should simple replace the Ukrainian engines with Chinese ones. I don't buy that argument.

then you should look up which aircrafts China still buys engines for from Motor sich. It's just L15 trainer.

 

[That Guy]

then you should look up which aircrafts China still buys engines for from Motor sich. It's just L15 trainer.

You realize that really doesn't prove my point wrong, right? If its only one aircraft, and if Chinese engines are superior, just replace the engine with a Chinese one. Why do you need a production line for a supposedly inferior engine, when the engine can be replaced with a superior one? Why spend billions trying to acquire a simple production line?

Again, this argument doesn't make sense.

 

[casual]

You realize that really doesn't prove my point wrong, right? If its only one aircraft, and if Chinese engines are superior, just replace the engine with a Chinese one. Why do you need a production line for a supposedly inferior engine, when the engine can be replaced with a superior one?

because it's not worth redesigning a lead in trainer to fit another engine when engine performance isn't a priority.

 

[That Guy]

because it's not worth redesigning a lead in trainer to fit another engine when engine performance isn't a priority.

It would probably be far cheaper. I'd say its worth it.

 

[8888888888888]

The Ukraine president isn't going to last long once he ruins their economy, I suspect he is place in power by USA.

 

[T-SaGe]

To prevent Turkey getting engines from Ukraine I suppose. That why Pakistan would be forced to buy Z-10 from China instead of buy T129 from Turkey.

In fact, If I'm not mistaken, the US offered helicopters before China. However, Pakistan prioritized Chinese and Turkish companies.

I do not think there is such a problem for China. The Turkish defense industry is not a threat to China's defense exports. In essence, Turks pose a threat to the market share of some of the traditional suppliers such as USA and France which mostly in NATO standard logistics infrastructures. Helicopter sales to the Philippines or the growing supply role in countries such as Indonesia and Malaysia are an example.

On the other hand, made a series of intergovernmental agreements between Ukraine and Turkey, and this process was followed by some joint venture companies.

Among these companies, there are also engine specialized ones. Zorya-Mashproekt partnership under the name Lodos Propulsion is one of them. As you know, Ukraine bought 4 Milgem corvettes and wants Zorya-Mashproekt turbines on these ships. Starting with the Ukrainian corvettes, the Turkish ship industry will have solved the alternative turbine propulsion source. President of Ukraine Zelenskyy announced that not only corvette but also joint UAV and air defense systems will be developed. There is already collaboration in many subsystems, especially for land systems that have been going on for a long time. Collaboration on propulsion solutions is one of the most important topics in these strategic perspectives. In this context, Turkey is also interested in some Ivchenko-progress projects. Preparations continue to establish a joint venture with this company in 2021. Ivchenko will likely become the main engine partner of Turkish unmanned aerial vehicles, together with TEI. In some special cases, Ivchenko's role will be valuable when considering TEI's GE partnership and especially its work share in US aviation companies.

In summary, the fact that one of NATO's most important military resources is rapidly leaving the US logistics and starting to rival this country in foreign markets is not a development that China would like to prevent. On the other hand, strategic cooperation between Ukraine and Turkey is not a matter of a few years and is conducted within the level of presidents.