Ukraine says Malaysian airliner shot down, 295 dead: agency

[Götterdämmerung]

This all sound like Operation Northwoods

Operation Northwoods - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

According to the documents, the plan called for the following:

1. Since it would seem desirable to use legitimate provocation as the basis for U.S. military intervention in Cuba a cover and deception plan, to include requisite preliminary actions such as has been developed in response to Task 33 c, could be executed as an initial effort to provoke Cuban reactions. Harassment plus deceptive actions to convince the Cubans of imminent invasion would be emphasized. Our military posture throughout execution of the plan will allow a rapid change from exercise to intervention if Cuban response justifies.
2. A series of well coordinated incidents will be planned to take place in and around Guantanamo to give genuine appearance of being done by hostile Cuban forces.
   1. Incidents to establish a credible attack (not in chronological order):
      1. Start rumors (many). Use clandestine radio.
      2. Land friendly Cubans in uniform "over-the-fence" to stage attack on base.
      3. Capture Cuban (friendly) saboteurs inside the base.
      4. Start riots near the base main gate (friendly Cubans).[11]
      5. Blow up ammunition inside the base; start fires.
      6. Burn aircraft on air base (sabotage).
      7. Lob mortar shells from outside of base into base. Some damage to installations.
      8. Capture assault teams approaching from the sea or vicinity of Guantanamo City.
      9. Capture militia group which storms the base.
      10. Sabotage ship in harbor; large fires—naphthalene.
      11. Sink ship near harbor entrance. Conduct funerals for mock-victims (may be in lieu of (10)).

 

[RPK]

WASHINGTON -- Before Malaysia Airlines Flight 17 went down in Ukraine, it was following a flight path from Amsterdam to Kuala Lumpur that its pilots should have been familiar with.

In the last two weeks, the plane flew roughly the same path 14 times, traversing the diagonal length of Ukraine to the Sea of Azov close to Crimea. But Thursday's route deviated slightly. The Boeing 777 went farther north than typical. It's unclear why.

Because of the conflict in the region, on April 3 the Federal Aviation Administration issued what's called a "notice to airman" prohibiting U.S. commercial flight operations in the airspace over Crimea and portions of the Black Sea and the Sea of Azov. But the notice did not cover the airspace where the Malaysia Airlines jet crashed.

The wreckage of Malaysia Airlines Flight 17 is seen in Ukraine July 17, 2014.


The Malaysian prime minister Thursday said the plane's route had been considered safe, but after the plane went down, other aircraft began to avoid the region.

The FAA has announced U.S. planes will also stay out of that airspace.

No airline in the world has gotten as much scrutiny over the last four months as Malaysia Airlines. Since March, along with the Malaysian government, it has been part of an international effort to find its missing jetliner, MH370, which disappeared from radar with 239 people on board. It was en route to Beijing from Kuala Lumpur and is now believed to have crashed in the southern Indian Ocean.

Typically investigators try to get to the scene as quickly as possible, but in this case because it's a war zone, it's unclear if and when a U.S. team of investigators will go to the crash site.

Malaysia Airlines Flight 17 deviated slightly from typical flight path - CBS News

 

[Devil Soul]

Australian family hit by both Malaysia Airlines tragedies
By AP

Rodney and Mary Burrows were presumed dead on flight MH370. -Photo courtesy The Courier Mail
An Australian family has tragically been hit by both Malaysia Airlines tragedies, having now lost four members through flight MH370's disappearance and flight MH17 being shot down over Ukraine.

Irene and George Burrows, from Bileola, Queensland, were still mourning their son Rodney and his wife Mary after their plane vanished without a trace over the southern Indian Ocean in March, and will now have to grieve for their step-granddaughter Maree Rizk and her husband Albert who were aboard MH17.

The couple were travelling home from a holiday in Europe when the plane was shot down, according to the Sydney Morning Herald, with all 298 people on board perishing in the tragedy.

A recording of conversations between a man identified by Ukrainian media as a Russian military commander and a rebel fighter has emerged this morning, in which they are reportedly heard discussing the downing of a jet over eastern Ukraine shortly after MH17 fell in between Krasni Luch in Luhansk region and Shakhtarsk in the neighbouring region of Donetsk.

In one of the calls a man going by the name Bezler can be heard saying: “Just now a plane was hit and destroyed by the miners group.”

In a post on Russian social media site Vkontake, Igor Girkin, also known by the nom de guerre Strelkov, the commander of the pro-Russian Donbass People's Militia, is reported to have claimed that his forces shot down a plane in the Donbass region of eastern Ukraine at 5.50pm (GMT+4), shortly before reports emerged the passenger jet was missing.

According to a translation obtained by The Independent, he allegedly wrote: “We warned [sic] not to fly in our sky.”

Kiev has branded the event an "act of terrorism" and demanded a UN investigation, while Russian president Vladimir Putin has insisted it would not have happened if the Ukrainian government had agreed to a ceasefire.

Nine Britons died in the crash, along with 54 Dutch passengers, 45 Malaysians, 27 Australians, 12 Indonesians, four Germans, four Belgians, three Filipinos and one Canadian.

 

[Götterdämmerung]

A Spanish air-controller who works in Kiev twittered that minutes before the Malaysian plane went down, there were two Ukraine military jets escorting the passenger plane. His account has been deleted but his messages have been saved in archive:

✈ Carlos. (spainbuca) в Твиттере

Post the link into google translate and let it translate from Spanish to English.

 

[Star Wars]

A Spanish air-controller who works in Kiev twittered that minutes before the Malaysian plane went down, there were two Ukraine military jets escorting the passenger plane. His account has been deleted but his messages have been saved in archive:



Post the link into google translate and let it translate from Spanish to English.

So here is what we have ...

1 .Plane diverted directly into conflict zone
2. Two fighter Jets escorting the Passenger aircraft Over a conflict zone
3. Separatists Captures a Buk Missile
4. Ukraine also moves in Buk missiles with active Radar few days ago , there are also unconfirmed reports that their Radar was active when the plane was destroyed

any other info ??

 

[flamer84]

So here is what we have ...

1 .Plane diverted directly into conflict zone
2. Two fighter Jets escorting the Passenger aircraft Over a conflict zone
3. Separatists Captures a Buk Missile
4. Ukraine also moves in Buk missiles with active Radar few days ago , there are also unconfirmed reports that their Radar was active when the plane was destroyed

any other info ??

5.Separatists bragg about shooting down Ukr plane at the exact moment and location of the downed Malaysian flight.

 

[sahaliyan]

A Spanish air-controller who works in Kiev twittered that minutes before the Malaysian plane went down, there were two Ukraine military jets escorting the passenger plane. His account has been deleted but his messages have been saved in archive:



Post the link into google translate and let it translate from Spanish to English.

Fake
Ukraine Liveblog Day 151: Who Shot Down MH17? | The Interpreter

 

[sahaliyan]

Debunking The Myth Of 'Carlos - Spanish Air Controller in Ukraine'
14:08 (GMT)
Matthew Bennett, editor ofThe Spain Report, has debunked one of yesterday's many disinformation campaigns. Yesterday, a man who identified himself as "Carlos,"supposedly a Spanish air traffic controller working in Kiev, made many fantastical claims on Twitter about yesterday's events. According to Carlos, two Ukrainian jets shot down the airliner, and soldiers were raiding his traffic control tower in Kiev as the story was unfolding.

Bennett has received confirmation from the Spanish embassy that "Carlos," a man who made similar claims during the Maidan protests, does not exist. Bennett tells us that, "he was posting yesterday that he was a Spanish controller in a tower that was taken over by soldiers as events unfolded. As far as I know, he was the source of the 'MH 17 tailed by two Ukrainian fighters' story. He's been quoted quite a bit on RT [the Russian state-operated propaganda network] since yesterday, and gained several thousand new Twitter followers in just a few hours."

The Spain Reportposted this note on their Facebook page:

Full reply from Spanish embassy to The Spain Report via e-mail on the existence of "Carlos, @spainbuca, the Spanish air traffic controller" in Ukraine:

"This is not the first time we have been asked about him. This "Carlos" was also active during the Maidán revolution in Ukraine.

We have no knowledge of "Carlos" having been in Ukraine. There is no record of his passing through the Consulate, and no one from the (relatively small) Spanish colony knows him.
The airport where he supposedly worked for several years told us at the time that all of their air traffic controllers are Ukranian, and that in any case they have never employed any Spaniard for that or any other task.

Furthermore, the last information he was posting before the airline tragedy was of the same sort. He was saying, for example, that he lived in Kiev and had been threatened by radical extreme-right elements. No Spaniard or national of another country—to my knowledge—has ever been threatened in this country."

As of now,Carlos's Twitter accountappears to have been removed.

 

[Mercenary]

Looks like the beginning of the end for these so called Rebels.

Europe will sanction Russia, USA and NATO will provide arms to Ukraine to wipe out these Rebels and retain control.

Overall, this incident is a disaster for Russia.

 

[Avik274]

Now I want to see some protest against Russia like we have seen against Israel?What would Muslim brothers mainly do..lets see!!matter of humanity!

 

[Mercenary]

Now I want to see some protest against Russia like we have seen against Israel?What would Muslim brothers mainly do..lets see!!matter of humanity!

Muslims only care if non-muslims kill muslims.

And Non-Muslims like China are excluded from their rage.

If Israel kills 1 Palestinian vs China killing 1,000 Muslims....they will protest against Israel.

 

[DV RULES]

Looks like the beginning of the end for these so called Rebels.

Europe will sanction Russia, USA and NATO will provide arms to Ukraine to wipe out these Rebels and retain control.

Overall, this incident is a disaster for Russia.

Look like so easy........
disaster for Russia??? huh......If a country could digest crash of polish plane in their own territory than that's after all on the other side of border.

I don't know why you people turned quickly against Russia, they are also going in same manners as these NATO in your neighbourhood.

Ukrainian Buk battery radar was operational when Malaysian plane downed - Moscow

On Thursday, when a Malaysian Airlines plane was apparently shot down over Ukraine, a Ukrainian Buk anti-aircraft missile battery was operational in the region, the Russian Defense Ministry said, contradicting Kiev’s statements.


The battery was deployed at a site from which it could have fired a missile at the airliner, the ministry said in a statement. It said radiation from the battery’s radar was detected by the Russian military.

“The Russian equipment detected throughout July 17 the activity of a Kupol radar, deployed as part of a Buk-M1 battery near Styla [a village some 30km south of Donetsk],” the ministry said in a statement.

The ministry said the radar could be providing tracking information to another battery deployed in the region, which was at a firing distance from the plane’s flight path.

Earlier Kiev said it could not have fired a missile at the passing civilian plane because it had no Buk missile launchers deployed in the region. At the same time the Ukrainians said the militias had no Buk systems in their hands, according to a statement from the country’s Prosecutor General.

After the Russian ministry came out with the statement, Bogdan Senyk, a spokesman for the Ukrainian Defense Ministry reiterated Kiev’s position, saying that "anti-aircraft missiles have not been deployed during the anti-terrorist operation ... they are all in place."

Ukrainian Buk battery radar was operational when Malaysian plane downed - Moscow — RT News

 

[Soumitra]

Woman, who lost her brother in MH370 tragedy, now loses daughter in MH17 crash - IBNLive

 

[Vinod2070]

Muslims only care if non-muslims kill muslims.

And Non-Muslims like China are excluded from their rage.

If Israel kills 1 Palestinian vs China killing 1,000 Muslims....they will protest against Israel.

They don't really care.

They just make use of the opportunity to point fingers at others.

Caring means doing something about it, not just hand wringing in impotent rage.

 

[senheiser]

Woman, who lost her brother in MH370 tragedy, now loses daughter in MH17 crash - IBNLive

Malaysia airlines set a world record

I'm a little surprised by the lack of Malaysian response/care, or maybe I'm not seeing it.

they are quite and use the western propaganda to be forgotten for their incompetence