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Ukraine confirms first use of Patriot air defense system in shoot down of Russian Kinzhal ballistic missile

I’m glad the then people in charge of Pakistan helped defeat ussr in Afghanistan. Otherwise his very own pakistan would have been the next target for Moscow in 1979.

It wouldn't have been. That is often a myth spread by F-16 lovers.

How long is that 'will' time span? Yrs? Decades?

The last time I checked it is going pretty okay for Russia.

Check hypocrisy when s400 or s300 intercept some missiles, west says some missiles were intercepted but rest hit their targets so its a failed system.

We have been here before. This is nothing new. Western hypocrisy is well known.
 
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That's a Big blow to ruskies. Imagine what will aegis and SMs will do to their missiles
Hopefully the shooting down of this missile will mean data about it will reach all NATO nations, and eventually the rest of the world on the true capabilities and vulnerabilities of Russian systems. A good day for Pakistan, which has to deal with a lot of Russian equipment in the hands of the Indians.
 
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ACtually, having a patriot system means defeat is on the way:
1.Saudis have patriots- lost the war in Yemen basically
2. ISrael has patriots- lost wars to Gaza in 2019 and Hezbollah in 2006
3. US military- had patriots in IRaq and maybe Afghanistan- lost both wars

Ukraine having patriots means its military defeat is guaranteed, so now its only a matter of when that is accepted.
This is internet 'logic'. We can say the same thing about rifles.

The Saudis have rifles and they lost in Yemen.

Israelis have rifles and they lost in Gaza.

The US have rifles and we lost in Iraq and Afghanistan.

So when will YOU get hired by anyone outside of video gaming industry as a military consultant?
 
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The last time I checked it is going pretty okay for Russia.
The last time Poutine said the war was going to last a few weeks. I guess 50+ something qualifies as a 'few'.
 
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It wouldn't have been. That is often a myth spread by F-16 lovers.



The last time I checked it is going pretty okay for Russia.



We have been here before. This is nothing new. Western hypocrisy is well known.

Myth of f16 broke the Indian air force delusions on that bright February morning on loc

I now hear Indians went and bought expensive french Raphael fighters against our f16 bird Shame on Us policy makers hindering support for our falcons
 
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The downing of a Russian hypersonic Kinzhal missile by a Patriot missile, confirmed by three senior U.S. officials, appeared to offer the first proof that Russia’s hypersonic missiles — presented as invulnerable by President Vladimir V. Putin — could be defeated by current Western missile defense systems.


The shoot down of Kinzhal was confirmed by the US
 
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Good, hopefully Ukraine gets rest of the Patriot systems sooner than later. Chinese must be annoyed because this war has shown to west that ammo production must be modernized and when they try to to take control over pacific they'll opponents are better armed than before.

Agree - a wake up call for sure - though i am not convinced everyone has woken up yet ( )
 
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A lot of these people who talk about Patriot system don't really know how they worked. Me included. But I do know about one thing as part of strategic planning. You don't single up an asset out in the cold and hope it will stay safe, you don't just do that, on the other hand, you don't devote the resources on a single asset and hope it will turn your war around.

Can Patriot missile system be destroyed? Sure, why not, every combat system can be destroyed, be it the rifle you use, to the tank you use or anti-air system you use, people who fight war, or plan on warfighting know one thing, it's always how much effectiveness of your system perform before they were destroyed is the issue here, for the Russian here, they can always destroy a patriot system, but would it turn into a white elephant is another issue, because system that got destroyed can be replaced, it's not like Raytheon gonna stop making them when they were destroyed, so the answer for the Ukrainian is always how many missile and plane that system intercepted before it got destroyed or it's no longer useful. That is a strategic value of a given system.

Agree - a wake up call for sure - though i am not convinced everyone has woken up yet ( )
This is how or why Patriot is effective, the US have significant RF/EW system in the area, everytime Russia launch something the US would know almost immediately and start tracking those and then pass those info to the Ukrainian. \

I am not surprised if the Ukrainian and NATO have a HQ somewhere in NATO nation and run the war from there. A lot of those intelligence asset is too hot to deploy in an active warzone.
 
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Kinzhal is not expensive. It is air launched version of Iskander. Because it is air launched it is better range and speed than Iskander. It is mass produced the way V-2 was mass produced in WW2.
 
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