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UK held secret briefing for India on missiles in Libyan war

Santro: You are having good timing banning Indians but you are simply ignoring this shameless JonAssad who first started the whole troll fest. You should quit moderator post if you can not do the job well.

Considering that the total worth of contract after balancing out inflation would be in the order of 15bn$ it is not a surprise that such presentation have been given. After all they are defence companies. *Shameless as they come*

off-topic rant : The reason the troller here is not getting banned is because (highly probable ) the MODS themselves have created this fake account to troll. ( No other sane reason for him not getting banned ).
 
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stop depending on your media- instead ask why your hard earned tax money is been given to an enemy?-
The enemy is the State - The Pakistani Establishment which means the Army and its adjunct the ISI. The aid is for the PEOPLE of Pakistan.
Pakistan says it's not aware of India's $20M offer for flood relief
Oh? I think I must put you wise on this issue...

India has handed over a cheque of $20 million to UN chief Ban Ki-moon as its contribution for flood relief in Pakistan, saying it remained committed to assisting its neighbour in time of crisis.

India decided to send the money through the UN after Pakistan requested it to do so as the UN is coordinating the relief and rehabilitation programme.

India's envoy to the UN Hardeep Singh Puri gave the cheque to the UN Secretary General yesterday.

After handing over the contribution, Puri said: "The people of India stand by the people of Pakistan in their hour of need. We are committed to assisting the people of Pakistan in all possible ways in these difficult times."

"We cannot remain unconcerned with this grave humanitarian crisis of enormous magnitude in our immediate neighbourhood," he added, underlining that India was familiar with the consequences and trauma of natural disasters.

Puri said that Prime Minister Manmohan Singh and Foreign Minister S M Krishna has spoken to their counterpart in Pakistan and offered assistance.

India hands over $20 million for Pakistan flood relief

So there! Don't try and obfuscate the issue. We support the people of Pakistan, not the Establishment which is bent upon 'bleeding India with a thousand cuts'. Never mind if they are just mosquito bites that produce only an itch! :cheesy:

Cheers! :cheers:
 
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The pakistans are left to take cheap low cost chinease hardware and even then on softloans
Spot on! I bought a Chinese iPhone clone that looks and feels just like the original. But Alas! It lasted for 6 days flat - didn't even survive a week! Darn. Money down the drain. But what the heck else did I expect from a Chinese 'hard copy'? I'm an idiot! Sheeesh! :fie:
 
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Since India has to chose either the Typhoon or the Rafale for its Air Force, and both these fighters have been involved in combat recently, it makes total sense that India would like to ascertain the functioning of various aspects of these fighters and the armaments they deploy under combat conditions. Combat conditions are the only realistic conditions to test weapon systems much more so than Airshows. Lots of extraneous and irrelevant issues have been brought in by many members in this thread, thankfully, the mods have deleted many of them but the bottom line is that as the buyer, one has the right to scrutinise the goods one buys. The seller has to comply. Period
 
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Spot on! I bought a Chinese iPhone clone that looks and feels just like the original. But Alas! It lasted for 6 days flat - didn't even survive a week! Darn. Money down the drain. But what the heck else did I expect from a Chinese 'hard copy'? I'm an idiot! Sheeesh! :fie:

Ha ha.. hope you wont repeat this mistake in any from... :rofl:
 
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Guys, just stick to topic and don't let yourself provoke from trolls!

IAF officially stated that they are monitoring any war to gain know how of tactics, strategies and of course also the performance of arms and techs they might procure.
Brimstone ATGM, Storm Shadow / Scalp cruise missile, METEOR, AASM PGM are some of the proposed weapons in MMRCA for EF and Rafale and some of them were used in Libya, or in Afghanistan, so it shouldn't be surprising that IAF is getting infos about the performance from their manufacturers. I would even expect them to ask French MoD for more infos about the SEAD attacks of Rafale, using SPECTRA and AASM, or how they penetrated the air defences before the US cruise missile strikes, although that might be classified. All the participation of Indian forces in different exercises with NATO countries shows, that our forces wants to gain from their experience and this is not different.
 
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IAF gets lowdown on UK's Libya action

The Royal Air Force has given Indian Air Force the lowdown on how it blitzed Colonel Muammar Gaddafi's air defences and destroyed his armoured forces during the ongoing Operation Ellamy, the UK's contribution to the Libya action.

Top RAF officials have given classified briefings to IAF chief Air Chief Marshal NAK Browne on the use of precision attack weapons such as Brimstone and Storm Shadow missiles, manufactured by European defence major MBDA Missile Systems, to strike at the fallen dictator's military machine.

MBDA Missile Systems military adviser Russ Martin confirmed that presentations were made at the Air headquarters in New Delhi, highlighting the role of these missiles in tearing down military infrastructure and supply lines without causing civilian casualties.

The move comes at a time when the IAF has shifted its gaze to arming its fighters with latest multi-role precision strike munitions, visual range dominance weapons and beyond visual range missiles.

Frank Morgan, head of UK Airborne, MBDA, said Brimstone air-to-surface missiles launched from RAF's Tornado GR4 fighters scored direct hits against manoeuvring targets including tanks in Libya.

"A fighter jet can fire a salvo of six missiles to destroy an equal number of tanks or non-armoured targets.
The RAF found it to be a highly accurate and low collateral damage weapon," Morgan said at MBDA's Lostock facility outside Manchester.

The presentations made to the IAF dealt with the role of air power in changing the dynamics of conflict in Libya when an operation was underway to enforce a UN-backed no-fly zone in Libya. Storm Shadow missiles were fired from Tornado GR4s to destroy radar stations and anti-aircraft batteries.

"The experience in Libya has shown that capabilities such as deep strike, precision close-air support and air superiority based on the highest level of technology are a must to succeed in a conflict. Our missiles were used extensively," MBDA CEO Antoine Bouvier said at the firm's Stevenage facility outside London.


Brimstone is being sought by both France and the United States. MBDA has also received a request for information from the IAF for arming the Sukhoi-30 with Brimstone and Meteor, a beyond visual range air-to-air missile.

Martin said both Eurofighter Typhoon and Dassault Rafale, angling for the IAF's $10.2 billion contract to supply 126 fighter jets, were capable of deploying Meteor, a missile whose no escape zone is touted to be three times greater than that of current medium range air-to air missiles.

The Royal Air Force has given Indian Air Force the lowdown on how it blitzed Colonel Muammar Gaddafi's air defences and destroyed his armoured forces during the ongoing Operation Ellamy, the UK's contribution to the Libya action.

Top RAF officials have given classified briefings
to IAF chief Air Chief Marshal NAK Browne on the use of precision attack weapons such as Brimstone and Storm Shadow missiles, manufactured by European defence major MBDA Missile Systems, to strike at the fallen dictator's military machine.

MBDA Missile Systems military adviser Russ Martin confirmed that presentations were made at the Air headquarters in New Delhi, highlighting the role of these missiles in tearing down military infrastructure and supply lines without causing civilian casualties.

The move comes at a time when the IAF has shifted its gaze to arming its fighters with latest multi-role precision strike munitions, visual range dominance weapons and beyond visual range missiles.

Frank Morgan, head of UK Airborne, MBDA, said Brimstone air-to-surface missiles launched from RAF's Tornado GR4 fighters scored direct hits against manoeuvring targets including tanks in Libya.

"A fighter jet can fire a salvo of six missiles to destroy an equal number of tanks or non-armoured targets. The RAF found it to be a highly accurate and low collateral damage weapon," Morgan said at MBDA's Lostock facility outside Manchester.

The presentations made to the IAF dealt with the role of air power in changing the dynamics of conflict in Libya when an operation was underway to enforce a UN-backed no-fly zone in Libya. Storm Shadow missiles were fired from Tornado GR4s to destroy radar stations and anti-aircraft batteries.

"The experience in Libya has shown that capabilities such as deep strike, precision close-air support and air superiority based on the highest level of technology are a must to succeed in a conflict. Our missiles were used extensively," MBDA CEO Antoine Bouvier said at the firm's Stevenage facility outside London.

Brimstone is being sought by both France and the United States. MBDA has also received a request for information from the IAF for arming the Sukhoi-30 with Brimstone and Meteor, a beyond visual range air-to-air missile.

Martin said both Eurofighter Typhoon and Dassault Rafale, angling for the IAF's $10.2 billion contract to supply 126 fighter jets, were capable of deploying Meteor, a missile whose no escape zone is touted to be three times greater than that of current medium range air-to air missiles.


IAF gets lowdown on UK's Libya action - Hindustan Times
 
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"The experience in Libya has shown that capabilities such as deep strike, precision close-air support and air superiority based on the highest level of technology are a must to succeed in a conflict. Our missiles were used extensively," MBDA CEO Antoine Bouvier said at the firm's Stevenage facility outside London.

The destructive capacity of the missile is no doubt especially on precision but he forgot to point out that they were fighting against a non-existent air force and unprecedented air supremacy. :lol:. Though I take pride in IAF pilots's capabilities, I am sure PAF and PLAAF won't be THAT simple.

But yeah, Meteor is a capable platform.
 
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Guys guys..Look haters gonna hate ,they simply can't resist it...
On topic brimstone is yet to be configure with Rafale so they might tryin to lure IAF with brimstone and Ef combo offer.

The problem is, that RAF isn't interested in integrating Brimstone on EF, because they have the Tornado and inducting Reaper drones for CAS, soon possibly even the Telemos (former Mantis) drone with Brimstone and in the long run F35 with internal carriage. Integrating Brimstone on EF is simply a cost that is not needed, nor wanted by the British MoD and the chances to see Rafale with it are higher.
However, I have some doubts about the report of IAF asking for this missile and METEOR for the MKI, I expect it to get Russian KAB 250 bomb kits and to integrate Sudharshan LGB as well as Astra missile as soon as they will be available. Not to mention that we already develop air launched HELINA missiles, which are similar to Brimstone.
 
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