UK general election 2015

[flamer84]

You and this guy "east and west India best" has no clue what you are talking about.

Asians don't become British national overnight and cannot claim benefits straight away. It take 7 to 10/11 years for them to get settle and become British and they have been paying taxes, insurances and all visa fees during this period of 10 years and they had contributed toward welfare system unlike your Romanian or EU immigrants who come with kids and get benefits straight away without contributing a single penny towards British welfare systems. Local whites are more fed up with you guys than hard working asians who work day and night for their families after paying more taxes than anyone else

I've allready said that i don't agree with that so i don't really understand why you and other posters are so upset about it.This election is a chance for you to change that,i repeat....vote Conservative or UKIP.

 

[Proudpakistaniguy]

I've allready said that i don't agree with that so i don't really understand why you and other posters are so upset about it.

You don't agree with what? I am not upset. You said British asian sucking tax payer money if they bring their kids from back home which you consider as inhuman and i said they had contributed towards it for years before taking benefit of it

 

[flamer84]

You don't agree with what? I am not upset. You said British asian sucking tax payer money if they bring their kids from back home which you consider as inhuman and i said they had contributed towards it for years before taking benefit of it

I don't agree with people getting welfare,be they Romanians,Europeans,Asians.The discussion was about someone on a minimum wage.How much could he contribute if it wants to bring a family of say......6 members ? Most of the money for that surely wouldn't come from his meager contributions but from state pockets.

Again,for the millionth time:i'm not saying that European immigrants deserve welfare,they don't and instead of snapping at me vote Conservative or UKIP.It's your country after all and those 2 parties promised to put an end to uncontrolled immigration,be it from Europe or Asia,Africa,etc.

 

[East or West India Best]

I agree,it's the same for me ,they are the worst.It has nothing to do with them being Romanians but with them being gypsies,another failed example of multiculturalisn,a minority that couldn't integrate or even get civilised after 6 centuries in Europe..



Cool,i'm not arguing with you.Vote Conservative or UKIP.(altough you get free healthcare even in Romania)



That's just silly and utter nonsense.There may be rotten apples between them but EU inter immmigrants from Eastern Europe are much better than outside EU migrants.They integrate better ,they don't bring terrorism and backward cultural ideeas with them.You can rant all you want but this is the truth-despite all the anti immigrant campaigns if there was to be a poll in Western Europe about who to let in,they would be chosen in any day over outside EU immigrants and that's a reality,but ,hey,i'm not against your rights as a UK citizen,like i said,vote UKIP or Conservative and kick them out.Don't take that "pls leave" tone with me,i'm in my own country.



I'm sry man but it's the same with them in every country they're present in decent numbers:Romania,Bulgaria,Serbia,Hungary,Slovakia,Czech Republic and now,due to EU free travel,Western Europe-this is a pattern and it's unlikely that all these people don't like them over nothing,there are good reasons they are disliked.They had 6 centuries to integratefor God's sake and they failed miserably.Yes ,not all are bad,but most of them,a great majority even,truly are ! They're a burden and a disgrace for every country they're in.This is the reality and there's no point in sugar coating it as it hits you in the face blatantly even if you try to deny it.

Wait, are Romanians and gypsies different people? Aren't gypsies called Roma?

 

[flamer84]

Wait, are Romanians and gypsies different people? Aren't gypsies called Roma?

Totally different people.

Romani people - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The Romani (also spelled Romany), or Roma, are an ethnicity of Indian origin, living mostly in Europe and the Americas.[24][25] Romani are widely known among English-speaking people by the exonym "Gypsies" (or Gipsies). Other exonyms are Ashkali and Balkan Egyptians and Sinti.

Romanians - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Proudpakistaniguy]

I don't agree with people getting welfare,be they Romanians,Europeans,Asians.The discussion was about someone on a minimum wage.How much could he contribute if it wants to bring a family of say......6 members ? Most of the money for that surely wouldn't come from his meager contributions but from state pockets.

Again,for the millionth time:i'm not saying that European immigrants deserve welfare,they don't and instead of snapping at me vote Conservative or UKIP.It's your country after all and those 2 parties promised to put an end to uncontrolled immigration,be it from Europe or Asia,Africa,etc.

You don't agree with people getting welfare, job seeker or child benefit allowance then why this social system is there at place? Why don't abolished social welfare system ? White British or their kids can take welfare system as soon as they open their eyes even if they contributed nothing for social system but not child of asian or black British who had contributed all taxes,national insurances and everything else that add to social welfare systems or fill state pockets. Those who contribute towards filling state pockets should have rights to get share from it. Rules should be fair and same for everyone

It stupid to assume that asian British will bring all his 6 family members and will apply for benefits straight away? how do you know? Their kids may study and get work and pay taxes . Asian families prefer their kids get good education and parent work hard for it to pay their fees which again contribute towards British economy. You don't know that they even pay £1000 pounds visa fees for each family member they want to bring in here and that fees is non refundable if visa get refuse. These family members may take the burden of others lazy british than to take advantage of social welfare system

 

[flamer84]

You don't agree with people getting welfare, job seeker or child benefit allowance then why this social system is there at place? Why don't abolished social welfare system ? White British or their kids can take welfare system as soon as they open their eyes even if they contributed nothing for social system but not child of asian or black British who had contributed all taxes,national insurances and everything else that add to social welfare systems or fill state pockets. Those who contribute towards filling state pockets should have rights to get share from it. Rules should be fair and same for everyone

It stupid to assume that asian British will bring all his 6 family members and will apply for benefits straight away? how do you know? Their kids may study and get work and pay taxes . Asian families prefer their kids get good education and parent work hard for it to pay their fees which again contribute towards British economy. You don't know that they even pay £1000 pounds visa fees for each family member they want to bring in here and that fees is non refundable if visa get refuse. These family members may take the burden of others lazy british than to take advantage of social welfare system

I was talking about immigrants.So,in the end you're just venting out that they don't want to pay welfare to every Asian family out there and that they prefere it to pay to "lazy native Brits".I won't even bother searching for articles with immigrants bringing large families to leech from the Brits.And those were Africans,Asians,and yes Europeans to-altough the cases i've seen with large Romanian families were always ,and i mean always gypsies.( but i do admit that i could be wrong and even ethnic Romanians could have taken advantage of the system,)

Yes,i will maintain my opinion,people should come there only if they have a job or means to support themselves ,not to live on state money.Unlike you,i think it should apply to everyone,from Euros to non Euros.

 

[East or West India Best]

Totally different people.

Romani people - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia




Romanians - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Wow sorry for the mix up. Also please don't consider these gypsies Indian, they're from a tribe so they have little blood with modern Indians, who come from ASI and ANI.

Genetic research published in European Journal Of Human Genetics "has revealed that over 70% of males belong to a single lineage that appears unique to the Roma"[94]

According to a genetic study in 2012, the ancestors of present scheduled tribes and scheduled caste populations of northern India, traditionally referred to collectively as the Ḍoma, are the likely ancestral populations of modern European Roma.

Domba - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Proudpakistaniguy]

I was talking about immigrants.So,in the end you're just venting out that they don't want to pay welfare to every Asian family out there and that they prefere it to pay to "lazy native Brits".I won't even bother searching for articles with immigrants bringing large families to leech from the Brits.And those were Africans,Asians,and yes Europeans to-altough the cases i've seen with large Romanian families were always ,and i mean always gypsies.( but i do admit that i could be wrong and even ethnic Romanians could have taken advantage of the system,)

Yes,i will maintain my opinion,people should come there only if they have a job or means to support themselves ,not to live on state money.Unlike you,i think it should apply to everyone,from Euros to non Euros.

Non European Immigrants cannot claim any state benefits no matter how long they live, study or work in UK.You have no clue of discussion and just jump in there to express your frustration for immigrants. We were discussing the immigration rule which relate to those British who marry non British and want to bring their families in UK and you jump in there to express your frustration for immigrants without realising that most non white British were also immigrants at one stage of their lives and became British after working hard for ten or more years and after contributing towards welfare systems

Another wrong assumption that all non native British will rely on benefits once they bring their families in UK. Open your narrow mind as i said before many Asian British prefer to work and like to give education to their kids instead of just relying on state benefits for eating/shelter like your Europeans mates does. Secondly it seem you have no problem if native British misuse social welfare systems and it become issue if non white british does that lol Another European who act more British than British themselves

@flamer84 This might be something new for you. I am posting it so you get clear pictures before blaming immigrants for all problems in UK without any information


If you are granted access to enter the UK for a limited period of time, one of the conditions that may be stamped into your passport is ‘No recourse to public funds’. Essentially this means that while you are in the UK the conditions of your stay stipulate that you are not able to gain access to public funds - a range of income related benefits, together with housing and homelessness support.

Your passport will be stamped ‘no recourse to public funds’ if you are from a country that is not a member of the European Economic Area (EEA) and:

• You are applying for limited leave to enter or remain in the UK - for instance, a work permit, student visa or marriage visa or
• You are currently in the UK with limited leave to enter or remain - for instance on a work permit, student visa or marriage visa; or
• You are applying for further or indefinite leave to remain in the UK - for example, if you are applying for your work permit to be extended.

What are public funds?
Public funds include:

• income-based jobseeker's allowance
• income support
• child tax CREDIT
• working tax credit
• a social fund payment
• child benefit
• housing benefit
• council tax benefit
• state pension credit
• attendance allowance
• severe disablement allowance
• carer's allowance
• disability living allowance
• an allocation of local authority housing
• local authority homelessness assistance

What happens if I claim funds I am not allowed to receive?
There are very serious penalties if you unlawfully CLAIM any type of benefit or support that counts as a public fund. Claiming public funds illegitimately is a breach of your conditions of entry to the UK, and breaching your conditions of entry is a criminal offence. Ultimately it may mean that your leave to remain in the UK is revoked, and you may also have applications for further or indefinite leave rejected.

What about other benefits and public services?
Public funds do not include the following work-related benefits, which are based on National Insurance contributions:

• contribution-based jobseeker's allowance
• incapacity benefit
• retirement pension
• widows benefit and bereavement benefit
• guardian's allowance
• statutory maternity pay
• maternity allowance

Healthcare and education also do not count as public funds – although your immigration status may affect whether you are eligible for them.

 

[flamer84]

You have no clue of discussion and just jump in there to express your frustration for immigrants. We were discussing the immigration rule which relate to those British who marry non British and want to bring their families in UK and you jump in there to express your frustration for immigrants without realising that most non white British were also immigrants at one stage of their lives and became British after working hard for ten or more years and after contributing towards welfare systems

Another wrong assumption that all non native British will rely on benefits once they bring their families in UK. Open your narrow mind as i said before many Asian British prefer to work and like to give education to their kids instead of just relying on state benefits for eating/shelter like your Europeans mates does. Secondly it seem you have no problem if native British misuse social welfare systems and it become issue if non white british does that lol Another European who act more British than British themselves

Now you're just jumping the shark with your whole "Asians" are better immigrants than Europeans.It's so pathethic and amusing seeing you and others complaining about racism only to be racist towards others but with no clear facts to back it up.European migrants don't create ghettos who look like their mini countries(apart ofcourse from gypsies but they don't have "their own country"),don't constantly ask for more rights,integrate and don't commit terror acts.Last but not least spare me your BS about Asian immigrants working so hard and giving their kids an education while Eastern Europeans live on welfare.Countries like Poland or Romania may be poor by EU standards but they outclass the countries of those super duper Asian immigrants in living standards,infrastructure,education ,etc ,by a long shot.You got no leg to stand on with that superiority complex of yours,it only makes you look ridiculous.

It also looks that you don't really understand what i'm saying.It's another post in a row of many posts in which you totally ignored everything i've said only to rant about your frustrations.Who cares about them ? I was talking about deporting illegal immigrants You're talking about people with visas or British citizens of non white ethnicity but those are your frustrations,stop projecting them on me.


Another thing i've said is that they shouldn't rely on benefits and those who do should be kicked out but,seeing that you suffer from paranoia you immediately said that i concluded that all immigrants rely on benefits.

 

[Proudpakistaniguy]

Now you're just jumping the shark with your whole "Asians" are better immigrants than Europeans.It's so pathethic and amusing seeing you and others complaining about racism only to be racist towards others but with no clear facts to back it up.European migrants don't create ghettos who look like their mini countries(apart ofcourse from gypsies but they don't have "their own country"),don't constantly ask for more rights,integrate and don't commit terror acts.Last but not least spare me your BS about Asian immigrants working so hard and giving their kids an education while Eastern Europeans live on welfare.Countries like Poland or Romania may be poor by EU standards but they outclass the countries of those super duper Asian immigrants in living standards,infrastructure,education ,etc ,by a long shot.You got no leg to stand on with that superiority complex of yours,it only makes you look ridiculous.

It also looks that you don't really understand what i'm saying.It's another post in a row of many posts in which you totally ignored everything i've said only to rant about your frustrations.Who cares about them ? I was talking about deporting illegal immigrants ? You're talking about people with visas or British citizens of non white ethnicity but those are your frustrations,stop projecting them on me.


Another thing i've said is that they shouldn't rely on benefits and those who do should be kicked out but,seeing that you suffer from paranoia you immediately said that i concluded that all immigrants rely on benefits.

Do you even read before jumping towards posting? Give some rest to your hate, intolerance, bigotry and prejudices Read again my previous posts. You are expressing your frustration on immigrants without knowing that they cannot take any benefits from state funds no matter how long they live row or in UK unlike Europeans . We were talking about rights of British nations irrespective of their ethnic background or roots and how right of asian british should be any different than white British when it come to claiming state benefits?

 

[flamer84]

Do you even read before jumping towards posting? Give some rest to your hate, intolerance, bigotry and prejudices Read again my previous posts. You are expressing your frustration on immigrants without knowing that they cannot take any benefits from state funds no matter how long they live row or in UK unlike Europeans . We were talking about rights of British nations irrespective of their ethnic background or roots and how right of asian british should be any different than white British when it come to claiming state benefits?

Predictably,it doesn't take long before you start playing the race card and cry about imaginary bigotry.

Do they have a law in which they specify that only white Brits can have benefits for their families? I'm pretty sure that if a white Australian gets UK citizenship but works on a minimum wage ,he would also be denied benefits for his family which doesn't have citizenship.

If i am wrong and these laws are drawn according to skin colour pls show me.

The only racist in here was you ,shouting about how Europeans don't work,are lazy,,etc

 

[Proudpakistaniguy]

Predictably,it doesn't take long before you start playing the race card and cry about imaginary bigotry.

Do they have a law in which they specify that only white Brits can have benefits for their families? I'm pretty sure that if a white Australian gets UK citizenship but works on a minimum wage ,he would also be denied benefits for his family which doesn't have citizenship.

If i am wrong and these laws are drawn according to skin colour pls show me.

The only racist in here was you ,shouting about how Europeans don't work,are lazy,,etc

We were talking about British nationals that include white British as well about how unfair is immigration rule for bringing their families if they marry non British and want them to bring in UK and you out of nowhere were blaming immigrants sucking state funds when all they do is contribute towards state funds and cannot even take a single penny. I only said that its European who got this free license to claim benefits from day one without working or contributing a single penny to sate pockets how it make me racist to show you the reality

 

[flamer84]

We were talking about British nationals that include white British as well about how unfair is immigration rule for bringing their families if they marry non British and want them to bring in UK and you out of nowhere were blaming immigrants sucking state funds when all they do is contribute towards state funds and cannot even take a single penny. I only said that its European who got this free license to claim benefits from day one without working or contributing a single penny to sate pockets how it make me racist to show you the reality

Because it happens a lot of times and it's up to the British to decide on who gets citizenship.And yes,getting citizenship for all the family just because you married someone sounds to much to me.If it were after me i would only give it to the spouse.And yes,there were cases,many times after getting citizenship or asylum they headed straight for the welfare office.


Well,i could also point to the reality that Euro immigrants don't blow themselves up in public,don't hold demonstrations to change the countries laws into a 7th century religious one,don't behead British soldiers on the street,don't spit at British soldiers parading in town.I hope this "reality" doesn't upset you.

And for the last time !! European immigrants to the UK shouldn't get "welfare on arrival" either,as they don't deserve it.

 

[waz]

Debate is way off-topic. Let's leave it at that and focus on what the parties are doing, polls, interviews and so on.