UK Citizen Won Law Case That BBC Had Advance Knowledge of 9/11

[gambit]

The paper factory was a high-rise?

The Windsor Tower was under construction and only part of the floors above 17th floor collapsed and not to forget that the building burned for almost 20 hours under raging fire, while we have not one pic of the WTC 1, 2 and 7 showing any similar situation.

The steel members of both buildings failed. That alone debunked your argument that no steel supported buildings failed in a fire.

You want some more...???

First...Look at all these steel supported/built buildings that failed when their steel members failed in some ways...

Progressive collapse - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Second...From the above source, one of them is the Kader Toy factory whose steel members failed under constant heat, not struck by anything, but just from heat.

Kader Toy Factory fire - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

...the building was reinforced with un-insulated steel girders which quickly weakened and collapsed when heated by the flames.

But wait...There is more...

http://www.fire.nist.gov/bfrlpubs/fire02/PDF/f02028.pdf

The Alexis Nihon Plaza fire in Montreal, Canada occurred on October 26, 1986 (Isner, 1986). The building was a 15-story steel-framed office building that was built atop a wide 5- story concrete mall and parking garage. This complex included an adjacent 23-story office building and a 32-story apartment building, all supported by this concrete plaza. The 15-story office tower had conventional steel framing, consisting of steel beam and deck floors and steel columns. The beams and floors had a 3-hour fire rating, while the columns had a 2.5-hour rating. All building elements were insulated with spray-applied mineral fiber. There was no automatic sprinkler system installed in the building. On October 26, 1986 a fire began on the 10th floor, then spread to the 11th and 12th floors, and later to the top floor. Approximately five hours after the fire started, a section of the 11th floor collapsed onto the 10th floor. The fire was declared out the following morning. There were no fatalities or injuries.

The Alexis Nihon Plaza building basically collapsed due to fire. No aircraft struck this building and that is why the steel members lasted as long as they did before they collapsed. The argument that it must be a high rise is absurd and nothing more than a feeble attempt to escape the truth.

http://www.mace.manchester.ac.uk/pr...ferences/Reinstatement_Fire_Damaged_Steel.pdf

The above is a credible source that showed a history of fire that failed steel structures.

Fire damage assessment of hot rolled structural steelwork - Steelconstruction.info

All materials weaken with increasing temperature and steel is no exception. Strength loss for steel is generally accepted to begin at about 300°C and increases rapidly after 400°C. By 550°C steel retains approximately 60% of its room temperature yield strength, and 45% of its stiffness. At high temperatures, steel is also subjected to significant thermal elongation, which may lead to adverse impacts, especially if it is restrained. It follows therefore that one would expect that structural steelwork which has been subjected to high temperatures would exhibit signs of this in the form of distortion and buckling.

Your argument is done, as in completely debunked by science.

Now show me some charts how a Boeing can fly 2 m above ground at 800 km/h.

Actually...No.

If you make a claim, it is up to YOU to support it. Let me guess, you are going to trot out the debunked argument of 'ground effects' ?

And also how the titanium engines vaporised at impact.

Vaporized ?

Despite the visual appearance, a jet engine is mostly empty volume, much like your head.

For BOTH of the above jet engine types, the cores are even smaller than the human used for size comparison. The core of the jet engine is the part with the most compact material, and they found the cores of the jet engines from American Airlines Flight 77.

Every time I see hyperbole like 'vaporized', I know the person is not interested in a rational discussion of the issue. I know the person made up his mind. The proper word used by a truly objective discussion would be 'disintegration' because that is precisely what happened.

See the above ? The core's approximate size would be the woman's head and upper torso. The rest are turbine blades that give the ILLUSION of mass. Kinda like how you give us the illusion that you are an intelligent person.

 

[Steve781]

Okay I admit it. I was behind 9/11

 

[Dubious]

Let the blame game start

And followed by impressive level of denial

 

[Götterdämmerung]

The steel members of both buildings failed. That alone debunked your argument that no steel supported buildings failed in a fire.

You want some more...???

First...Look at all these steel supported/built buildings that failed when their steel members failed in some ways...

Progressive collapse - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Second...From the above source, one of them is the Kader Toy factory whose steel members failed under constant heat, not struck by anything, but just from heat.

Kader Toy Factory fire - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

But wait...There is more...

http://www.fire.nist.gov/bfrlpubs/fire02/PDF/f02028.pdf

The Alexis Nihon Plaza building basically collapsed due to fire. No aircraft struck this building and that is why the steel members lasted as long as they did before they collapsed. The argument that it must be a high rise is absurd and nothing more than a feeble attempt to escape the truth.

http://www.mace.manchester.ac.uk/pr...ferences/Reinstatement_Fire_Damaged_Steel.pdf

The above is a credible source that showed a history of fire that failed steel structures.

Fire damage assessment of hot rolled structural steelwork - Steelconstruction.info

Your argument is done, as in completely debunked by science.


Actually...No.

If you make a claim, it is up to YOU to support it. Let me guess, you are going to trot out the debunked argument of 'ground effects' ?


Vaporized ?

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Despite the visual appearance, a jet engine is mostly empty volume, much like your head.

For BOTH of the above jet engine types, the cores are even smaller than the human used for size comparison. The core of the jet engine is the part with the most compact material, and they found the cores of the jet engines from American Airlines Flight 77.

Every time I see hyperbole like 'vaporized', I know the person is not interested in a rational discussion of the issue. I know the person made up his mind. The proper word used by a truly objective discussion would be 'disintegration' because that is precisely what happened.

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See the above ? The core's approximate size would be the woman's head and upper torso. The rest are turbine blades that give the ILLUSION of mass. Kinda like how you give us the illusion that you are an intelligent person.

TL;DR

Ladies and gentlemen, this guy seems to have a lot of time to defend his criminal gov. at all cost. What do we call these kind of people?

Well, just watch the videos, no need to read the rubbish from a government shill.

Here, we can see big chunks of debris of the Germanwing plane after hitting a massive mountain.

 

[Donatello]

I thought non-sense legal cases like these only happened in America. If this was any other European country, they would've jailed the man for insanity.

 

[Götterdämmerung]

A Freudian slip?

 

[gambit]

...no need to read the rubbish from a government shill.

Correct...Just read the rubbish from scientifically ignorant and/or dishonest people.

 

[Götterdämmerung]

Correct...Just read the rubbish from scientifically ignorant and/or dishonest people.

Why do you have to talk about yourself all the time?

 

[Zabaniyah]

It's American physics. Fire can demolish a steel reinforced concrete highrise. It was a worldwide premier, no, not only once, but three times.

Most of the building in NYC are very old.

 

[Götterdämmerung]

Most of the building in NYC are very old.

The WTC was built when again?

84% of US citizens don't believe the official version of 9/11 (conducted by NYT/ CBS)
Scientific Poll: 84% Say 9/11 Is A Cover Up

 

[Zabaniyah]

The WTC was built when again?

84% of US citizens don't believe the official version of 9/11 (conducted by NYT/ CBS)
Scientific Poll: 84% Say 9/11 Is A Cover Up

News surveys

 

[Götterdämmerung]

News surveys

And I thought your last post was quite stupid – well, my mistake.

 

[Götterdämmerung]

Pilot Who Flew The Airplanes That Crashed on 9/11 Speaks Out!

 

[Faiez]

Vaporized ?

Despite the visual appearance, a jet engine is mostly empty volume, much like your head.

For BOTH of the above jet engine types, the cores are even smaller than the human used for size comparison. The core of the jet engine is the part with the most compact material, and they found the cores of the jet engines from American Airlines Flight 77.

Every time I see hyperbole like 'vaporized', I know the person is not interested in a rational discussion of the issue. I know the person made up his mind. The proper word used by a truly objective discussion would be 'disintegration' because that is precisely what happened.

See the above ? The core's approximate size would be the woman's head and upper torso. The rest are turbine blades that give the ILLUSION of mass. Kinda like how you give us the illusion that you are an intelligent person.

Firstly, the two engines are not the same. The one in the first picture is a turbo fan, while the one's in the next two photos are turbojets (which are no longer used in passenger airplanes due to poor efficiency, low bypass ratio).

Secondly, the fan blades are made either from titanium or from carbon fibre. Atleast some of them should have survived in almost single piece, perhaps in very bad shape. The turbine core rotors are made from inconel or similar alloys, which can survive ALOT of heat and pressure, many of them should have survived.

As far as disintegration is concerned, yes parts will disintegrate but they don't completely disappear/vanish.

Thirdly, the turbo fan engine is not "mostly empty". First there is the outer most fan that provides most of the thrust. Then there's the compressor stages which contain more than just fans, they also contain stators and the shaft takes up alot of the space too. After all the compression stages come the combustors where the fuel is added and ignited. Then this hot gas goes into the core high pressure turbine and then more turbine stages which power the engine.

How ever there is not much behind the main fan, just a flow through casing.

In any case, big/bigger parts of the plane should have survived in the pentagon crash...

 

[Schutz]

Don't even bother arguing with a truther, they deny all evidence and follow their own beliefs based on faith and you know how hard it is to change the mind of a religious nut.

Here is a fuckload of evidence....... No don't believe you theres a 3 second clip of someone reporting the wrong tower come down early. Actually I don't believe there were jumpers atall they were simulations and there wasn't any planes the towers were holograms.

Look at the recent German wings crash, the debris is little more than a wheel and small sheet metal, people are already claiming this is a mossad job oh God people are so fucking stupid.

As for no other steel buildings collapsing, well no other was 1000ft tall and slammed into with a jetliner, you lot always neglect to say that when your pointing out your badly learned facts.

Also get your own fucking evidence/opinion and not the same regurgitated stories put out by freaks on blogs who have zero knowledge of engineering or aviation.