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try to earn JAKAT from the rich which is farz for every muslim and spend 1/2 for defence r/d and capital procurment.
Pakistani fan boys are forgetting that in 65 and 71 paf had superior aircraft and superior missiles than iaf---maybe lesser in numbers but quality has its own strength.
My young men are thinking like every thing is hunky dory---there are no problems at all from anywhere---there is no hurry and no rush from any place---there are no enemies poised to destroy us---pakistan has no wars going on around it---pakistan's neighbours love pakistan---pakistan love sits neighbour---we are all in a lovey dovey and huggy relationship with our esteemed neighbour----pakistani 30 miles missile will kill the indian plane and indian 60 miles missile will not kill the pakistani plane. Indian SU 30's are a pos---indian mig21 bis are a pos---mirage m2k5 is same---so is mig 29----. PAF's F 16 A/B are the greatest--F 7 pg will take out everything---mirage 3/ 5 rose will slaughter all the indian planes---jf 17 zindabad---fc 20 paindabad---jeeway jeeway pakistan. Can somebody mail me that peyote---pease.
What a fools paradise---
Why not make a bank account for armed forces. People living abroad and in Pakistan can donate some money which will give a great boost to R&D and procuring new weapons. If authorities assure transparency many people will come out. Trust me!
When we went outside to ask money than why not make a bank account and ask our own people.
It can be done!
What's even the Point of doing it when about 80% of the country budget use by arm forces n there isn't any transparency for public point of view...but yes if there is a man who is worth of a turst then m sure people will donate man like imran khan who makeing a history for pakistan in the name of humanity he is getitng about 1billion rupes every year for his Shaukat Khanum Memorial Cancer Hospital & Research Centre simple reason is ppl turst him n his work
Mastan, I think you are being a bit unfair here. I think you should qualify your statements. What a Pakistani student thinks is not the same as what the professionals at the AHQ think. What the AHQ thinks is much more in line with the current threats faced by Pakistan and within Pakistan's limited budget, they are going ahead with force modernization as best as they can. Secondly, while the Indian threat in the air is a very real one, the capacity to harm India on the Pakistan side is also that much greater. So for Pakistan, the PAF is not the only deterrence in place.
People overestimate their own capabilities and underestimate the other side all the time. This is not a Pakistan-specific phenomenon. It happens all around us.
Sir don't get angry it's you who are the fan boy of PAF i am the one which just telling their short comings.
And By the way you really mean that JF-17 is equal to or better than m2k9.If that's true then Sir the french and dozens of AF's around the world are a bunch of fools.They should scrap their Mirages and instead get Jf-17.Seriously Sir if you don't even know the difference between the two then i can not ever convince you.
And half of this forum is teaming with JF-17 facts so its useless to post them again.Some facts of Mirage are given on first pages and if you want more just google it.
I am not angry, just a bit irritated on the sort of argument you are presenting forward. The only conclusion i can make out of your argument is that the only reason why the Mirage 2000-9 is miles ahead of the JF17 is because it is a French Aircraft. This is the sort of argument the Indian fanboys put forward, i was expecting something better from a Pakistani brother. If i am the fanboy why dont you exactly point out the shortcomings of the JF17, instead of making huge audacious claims such as JF17 is hardly in the league of Mirage 2000-9.
I dont need to look at the specs of the Mirage 2000-9 because i already know them. The only reason why 600 Mirage 2000 have been built is because they have been on the international stage since 1980's, we still havent raised the first squadron for JF17 yet. Compare the initial JF17 with the initial Mirage 2000 that came out, there is a world of difference. Mirage 2000-9 is a great platform and it has matured over the time, but its not a God send to the world that no fighter can take it down. JF17 backed by an AWAC and other PAF's EW assets can hold its own easily against an onslaught from the Indian Mirages. JF17 has a radar that has a range of almost 100 km, Radar Warning Reciever system, HMS, Missile Approach Warning System, Dual Digital FBW, Electronic Warfare System, DSI(M2K does not has that) and most importantly it will be datalinked with an AWAC. With PAF moving towards net centric warfare, the JF17's will be even more lethal because they will be aware of the presence of other enemy aircrafts. Its an extremely maneuverable and agile plane which will make it an excellent dog fighter, it has held its own against our F16A and let me remind you that the F16A are the most agile planes out of the entire F16 series. The only shortcoming for the JF17 is its engine, it requires more thrust and PAF is well aware of this problem and they are working on fixing it.
So please give this fanboy talk to someone else because it certinely does not convinces me, the facts speak for themselves and you are more than welcome to prove them wrong. The only argument you have put forward is Mirage 2000-9 is a better aircraft because it is French made, nodoubt in its current state it is a better aircraft than JF17 but when you add our force multipliers and the future variants of the JF17 than the balance tilts in our favour. I just laugh when i hear people say JF17 is just an improved version of F7, if this plane did not meet our requirements PAF would have rejected it out right. I am yet to see someone prove that is not a 4th Generation Aircraft as people are claiming its a 3rd Generation Aircraft.
Hi,
On this board most of the posters are young men---in school, in colleges, in universities or just starting prof careers. That comment was meant for them.
As for the AHQ---their strategy has been p--- poor and it is for all the world to see---it is one fiasco after the other in the last 7 years---not one instance where a decision was PRE-EMPTED---everything was after the fact---if you gave so many chances to PHATOO ASHKELI he would have better results than the AHQ. They could have made pakistan come out of it, smelling like roses---they chose to get pakistan in the pig sty and pak will come out of it asmelling like sh-it.
They could have done it with style and substance and taken the high road---they chose to do otherwise---.
Air force is always the primary deterence---nuclear option is not---nuclear option is just for show---talk of any other deterence is up for grabs.
As for the last comment---you need to open up a little bit---I shoot from the hip---you need to clear it what you want to say. Thankyou.