PAF and its Pilots Persistent Demoralising Impact on IAF

[Liquidmetal]

Self flattery ? You stupid ***.
If your pilots were so brave why did they not close in range for their BVR missiles to be effective, or use WVR missiles ??? After all you had the "asian raptors" that were superior 1:3 vs Pakistani F16 for the longest time on these forums u jackass warchair generals?
Abhinonedone was high on nicotine and charas/ganga to dare enter Pakistani territory. Only after our fantastic tea did his mind came out of the stupor enough to acknowledge the professionals he dared to challenge.
Antiquated mig??? with all of its upgrades ??? Even if we agree to your argument, what happened to your superduper su 30's and mirage 2000's that decided to bug out of the arena with their tails between their legs?
Op's post is cent % to the point. You guys are born with an inferiority complex that is in your genes and will remain so. Don't you dare challenge the brave sons of Pakistan !!

and don't forget they then made their AMRAAM 'we got raped' Dodgers patches to wear with pride.

 

[Khanivore]

Modern combat is won by technologies, not sword bearing men on camels. You should be more afraid of nerdy tamil computer science kids working at Isro on new technologies.

Was it the same team and modern technology that helped PAF to have the upper hand on 27th Feb 2019, costing India a MiG-21, Su-30 and a transport chopper, plus capture of a pilot and chopper crew killed?

 

[Khan vilatey]

What really baffling is how PAF F-16s missed Abhinandan's Mig21 untill he was 10KM inside pakistan. He was doing high-g barrel roll back towards India side when he was hit by an AMRAAM missile. wreckage of Mig21 was found miles inside Pakistani territory.

nope they saw him, but did not think he had such inferior training that he would cross over. once he crossed over 10 km in he was taken out.
Kv

 

[PradoTLC]

Will have more respect for it if they actually made a difference to Pak war efforts or strategic goals.

they forced india to back down?.. did they not?

i dont see your army leaders jumping like baboons filled with itching powder up their rear end, asking for war do we?..

 

[Khan vilatey]

You know all the biggest problem is vacations in the IAF the day after missing all there targets in Blakot the IAF gave the day off to all its su-30, mirage 2000, mug-29 and much, much more pilots and instead had su-30 washouts like Abhinandhan fly off to Pakistan. It’s the rate of vacations in the IAF I tell you. All the good pilots were away at 9 am in broad daylight when the inferior Pakis came and almost blew up their forward brigade headquarters .....


Vacation I tell you, the stress of missing there targets, the IAF pilots needed a vacation

kV

 

[Myth_buster_1]

What really baffling is how PAF F-16s missed Abhinandan's Mig21 untill he was 10KM inside pakistan. He was doing high-g barrel roll back towards India side when he was hit by an AMRAAM missile. wreckage of Mig21 was found miles inside Pakistani territory.

He was air ambushed so Pakistan could have wreckage and pilot

 

[ziaulislam]

What really baffling is how PAF F-16s missed Abhinandan's Mig21 untill he was 10KM inside pakistan. He was doing high-g barrel roll back towards India side when he was hit by an AMRAAM missile. wreckage of Mig21 was found miles inside Pakistani territory.

So he wasnt jammed ..is your airforce lying ?...the guy was flying bind per IAF ..

 

[Balbir]

So he wasnt jammed ..is your airforce lying ?...the guy was flying bind per IAF ..

He was air ambushed so Pakistan could have wreckage and pilot

His communications may be jammed, not his aircraft, or visibility.

HE was dangerously close to PAF jets and He could have very well fire R-73 WVR heat seeking missiles on PAF bogies nearby or he actually did fire and shot down a F-16 as India claims.

THis questions Pakistani assertion that they had missile locks on nine IAF jets flying well inside India while the one they shot down (Abhi's mig21) had come dangerously close before being shot down.

 

[loanranger]

while the one they shot down (Abhi's mig21) was had come dangerously close before being show down.

Fail. He was shot down because he violated Pakistani Airspace. Otherwise he would not have been shot down either.

 

[FOOLS_NIGHTMARE]

HE was dangerously close to PAF jets and He could have very well fire R-73 WVR heat seeking missiles on PAF bogies

The repeated assertion of him using his missile is nullified by the picture below...

 

[Balbir]

Fail. He was shot down because he violated Pakistani Airspace. Otherwise he would not have been shot down either.

Pakistan says it a shot down a Su-30MKI, did that too violate Pakistani airspace?

 

[DrWatson775]

Pakistan says it a shot down a Su-30MKI, did that too violate Pakistani airspace?

It was seen as a probable threat to the PAF strike package - likely it was vectored to the strike package and hence fired upon.

 

[Balbir]

It was seen as a probable threat to the PAF strike package - likely it was vectored to the strike package and hence fired upon.

Do you know this isn't the official stand of Pakistan.

DGISPR said Pakistan shot down two Indian aircrafts as they violated Pakistani airspace.

There are many such glaring discrepancies in Pakistan's official statements on 27th Feb.

 

[Side-Winder]

His communications may be jammed, not his aircraft, or visibility.

HE was dangerously close to PAF jets and He could have very well fire R-73 WVR heat seeking missiles on PAF bogies nearby or he actually did fire and shot down a F-16 as India claims.

THis questions Pakistani assertion that they had missile locks on nine IAF jets flying well inside India while the one they shot down (Abhi's mig21) had come dangerously close before being shot down.

His comms were jammed then how come, as per you guys, Abhi delivered the message that R-73 was locked?
As for the F-16 claim, IAF is just defending a lie that the world does not believe.

1. US did their count of the F-16 fleet
-Indians produced this article from Hindustan times that quotes state dept official saying he was not aware. first off, "Not Aware" does not mean did not happen, it is just refusal to comment.
Secondly, this statement could not be verified by any independent source (No press briefing/statement by the DOD or State department), In fact, As per washington post

"The Pentagon, like the State Department, has yet to issue a public statement on the F-16 count, but there have been no counter-leaks contradicting the Foreign Policy report"
https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...ary-this-just-became-big-deal/?outputType=amp

FP report was covered by numerous international media outlets unlike the made-up-story by Hindustan times

2. PAF Produced all MIG-21's missiles and openly invited any analyst to inspect.
- Indians claim PAF procured these LIVE missiles from eBay, i mean seriously? Open source videos and photos show all those missiles lying around the wreckage of MIG-21. Had PAF already purchased them before Feb 27, cuz they know something like that would happen.

IAF invited the most anti-pak analyst they could find, to their military literature festival, and turned out even she did not like the hilarious stories of IAF. The world needs evidence to believe.


As for Mig-21, Most likely, Wg Cdr Noman, waited long enough for him to get inside Pakistani side for chance to claim the pilot as well the wreckage, something actually to show to the world instead of empty bold claims. Nevertheless, i believe he was hit by an AMRAAM, so the F-16 had a reasonable distance from the MIG-21.

 

[Balbir]

His comms were jammed then how come, as per you guys, Abhi delivered the message that R-73 was locked?

Yes, this is something that came in Indian media immediately after 27th Feb while Abhinanadon was still in Pakistani custody.

It may be before the aircraft got within the jamming range or the case of ground controller could hear him while he couldn't hear ground controllers voices as you know ground controller wasn't under the spell of Pakistan EW.

Also Abhi's wingman could hear the message from the ground control and return back to safety in time, That suggests effect of EW was most potent near the LoC and didn't extend beyond that deeper into India airspace.