UAE criticises Ahmadinejad visit to Iran's own Persian Gulf island!!

[KS]

To everyone in this forum who can read this conversation I beg all of you to see the way I am suppose to "debate" with these lot. And I will let you be the judge all of you who are either members or simply guests in this forum of any religion sect or creed or nation to make up your mind.

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[Secur]

When you mock Arabs and call them Kuffars then yes you are mocking the believers. And the Believers follow the messenger of Allah and his verses. And thus when you mock their religion you are mocking Allah's messenger and verses.

What absurd logics are you using now Mosa ? Still in your right mind , are you ? When did we call Arab as " Kuffars " ? I was criticizing the vices being done by Arab and specially by the Monarchy , your corruption and lavish lifestyle ... AND EVEN THEN NEVER ONCE IN MY POSTS DID I CALL ARABS OR HELL EVEN YOUR MONARCHIES A KAFFIR , INFIDEL OR BEING OUT OF BOUNDS OF ISLAM EVEN THE SHIAS DONT DO SO BECAUSE WE KNOW THE SERIOUSNESS OF DOING SO ! Actually that is your favorite past time calling everybody who oppose you as kaffirs or non muslim !
Bringing verses out of context , twisting them and making yourself look clean ! And since when is criticizing Arabs for their wrong doings prohibited and is the same as mocking the Prophet of Islam or Allah ? Nobody here said anything about Islam ! IT is you who started posting Quranic Verses in this thread when you ran out of arguments !

Yes , you are a Wahhabi since you follow the teachings of Muhammad Ibn Abd-al-Wahhab ... Why do you feel ashamed by it ? ... Why do you feel so offensive when we call you that ? How is it a Takfiri term and who told you so ? Call me a " Deobandi " , " Barelvi " " Ahl-Hadith or whatever you want ! I wont feel the same way as you ... What if i call you a " Shafai " , " Hanbali " , " Maliki " or " Hanafi " ? Is it offensive too ? ... Guilty conscience do you have now ? Yes sects do exist in Islam ... Do not try to prove otherwise !

 

[Secur]

I answered you and you refuse to believe me. I guess this makes it your problem them and not mine.

You haven't answered nothing yet , you just have brought Quranic Verses out-of-context to prove your point that Arabs are superior race , IMMUNE FROM CRITICISM and whoever does so lands in hell and how we are all INFIDELS !

 

[Secur]

What about when we mock this hedonistic and perverted behaviour:

Gay Saudi prince 'sexually abused and battered manservant to death' in hotel | Mail Online

O ArYan ! How dare you question the behavior and practices of torch bearer of Islam The House of Saud Monarchy , surely the wrath of Allah is on you and in fire shall you dwell forever !

 

[Alienoz_TR]

Easy, men. Governments and rulers can be bought everywhere, whether in USA, Russia, China, Arabia, Iran, Pakistan or Turkey.

We should not bring this discussion onto the level of individuals.

 

[Awesome]

I think that the UAE is in a very volatile area of the world. Property prices have dumped in recent years. can you imagine if a firecracker went off. What would happen. I think they would be well advised to keep a low profile rather than becoming a target for potential conflict on behalf of countries thousands of miles away. Iran is going to be a neighbour no matter what. What is the point of this petty silly gesture

The UAE is probably the only country that is not going to give Air Force bases to the US in any hypothetical attack on Iran, despite the shenanigans on the Islands between the two (some very useless Islands), Iran is still quite a favored country. There are massive Iranian businesses hosted by the UAE and even after the sanctions the UAE has placed restriction on its banks dealing with the Iranian banks in UAE (there are I think 3 of them) but they have not been shut down.

 

[Serpentine]

You know a mature and sane person does not have a discussion this way. Please conduct yourself better if you want to be taken seriously. We can all disagree, have aggressive debates, but civility with each other is mandatory on this board.

These shenanigans have gone on for too long now. There was no need to be condescending, you have a political difference, point out your political reasons for the argument of holding the islands.

Very nice,a moderator from UAE gave me infractions because of insulting Arabs and UAE.fair enough.
So tell me where did i insult Arabs or any others that i deserved an infraction?

I didn't post this thread to prove that islands belong to Iran.I just posted it to show they leave in a fancy dream,oil money has made them blind.They see Iran is under sanctions and they have western support (only because of their oil),so they start to think they are something big and powerful.
I don't need to prove that islands belong to Iran,my ancestors did it 2500 years ago,before any Arab,Dubai and UAE existed.

It's really interesting for me that no one mention here that Bahrain belonged to Iran too.So we have every right to take it back to its motherland.right?

 

[Abii]

A big FU from the people of Abu Musa

رئیس جمهور ": آنهایی که خلیج فارس را با عنوانی دیگر خطاب می کنند اول باید به عقل خود مراجعه کرده و نگاهی ه نقشه ایران بیندازند تا بدانند با چه کشور بزرگ و قدرتمندی در حال حرف زدن هستند.

 

[Awesome]

I can't understand what their beef is to be honestly other than getting above themselves. I wish Pakistan could escape controversy and these guys are pushing their heads above the parapet when they do not need to maybe they are proving to Americans or Sauds how loyal they are?

The history is simply Shia-Sunni issues that have existed since the dawn of time. When Iran took over these Islands it did so by the use of force, which was taken as a massive insult. It deployed its forces, arrested the few inhabitants and expelled them to UAE. This is when a diplomatic method was being sought.

There was also the Iran-Iraq war. The leaders of Iran viewed UAE with suspicion of aiding the Americans in launching attacks with UAE AF on to Iran. In one case the USAF had launched a cowardly attack and destroyed their offshore oil rig close to UAE-Iran marine border killing a lot of Engineers. My father who worked on offshore oil rigs himself back then saw his oil rig get a few low passes by an Iranian F-14 in response. Apparently just as the F-14 reached the oil rig, the UAE managed to get diplomatic channels opened with Iran and they managed to convince them that it wasn't UAE which attacked them. The F-14 was waiting for orders and it would have blown everyone up. My father carried out the evacuations so he was also one of the last people off, apparently his American boss was frozen stiff at the sight of the F-14 and wouldn't hit the evacuation alarm. All the Engineers mostly Pakistani back then, managed to escape through small rafts. It took them an entire day to come home.

This incident directly led to UAE spending a lot in militarily arming itself from any further aggression.

I repeat the UAE is the only country in the region that probably CAN be friends with Iran, but it will require work from Iran.

I didn't post this thread to prove that islands belong to Iran.I just posted it to show they leave in a fancy dream,oil money has made them blind.

Really you are a psychologist now?

They see Iran is under sanctions and they have western support (only because of their oil),so they start to think they are something big and powerful.

You can read their minds now?

I don't need to prove that islands belong to Iran,my ancestors did it 2500 years ago,before any Arab,Dubai and UAE existed.

Who is being obstinate here now? Its a diplomatic row which should be handled in that way. The UAE claims those Islands and will continue to do so.

It's really interesting for me that no one mention here that Bahrain belonged to Iran too.So we have every right to take it back to its motherland.right?

Why don't you claim the entire ancient Persian empire?

 

[Serpentine]

The history is simply Shia-Sunni issues that have existed since the dawn of time. When Iran took over these Islands it did so by the use of force, which was taken as a massive insult. It deployed its forces, arrested the few inhabitants and expelled them to UAE. This is when a diplomatic method was being sought.

There was also the Iran-Iraq war. The leaders of Iran viewed UAE with suspicion of aiding the Americans in launching attacks with UAE AF on to Iran. In one case the USAF had launched a cowardly attack and destroyed their offshore oil rig close to UAE-Iran marine border killing a lot of Engineers. My father who worked on offshore oil rigs himself back then saw his oil rig get a few low passes by an Iranian F-14 in response. Apparently just as the F-14 reached the oil rig, the UAE managed to get diplomatic channels opened with Iran and they managed to convince them that it wasn't UAE which attacked them. The F-14 was waiting for orders and it would have blown everyone up. My father carried out the evacuations so he was also one of the last people off, apparently his American boss was frozen stiff at the sight of the F-14 and wouldn't hit the evacuation alarm. All the Engineers mostly Pakistani back then, managed to escape through small rafts. It took them an entire day to come home.

This incident directly led to UAE spending a lot in militarily arming itself from any further aggression.

I repeat the UAE is the only country in the region that probably CAN be friends with Iran, but it will require work from Iran.



Really you are a psychologist now?


You can read their minds now?



Who is being obstinate here now? Its a diplomatic row which should be handled in that way. The UAE claims those Islands and will continue to do so.


Why don't you claim the entire ancient Persian empire?

Your answers just showed me what a logic you have.

UAE will continue claiming the islands?Ok let it do so,let them clam it until the last drop of their oil,until their children become old men,after 10 generations,just let them claim it because they know that 'The islands have always belonged to Iran and will always be.
Oh and when you say let them solve it 'diplomatically' you don't understand how funny it sounds for me.We never have diplomatic talk with the ones who claim our soil.It's pathetic.

 

[Awesome]

Your answers just showed me what a logic you have.

UAE will continue claiming the islands?Ok let it do so,let them clam it until the last drop of their oil,until their children become old men,after 10 generations,just let them claim it because they know that 'The islands have always belonged to Iran and will always be.
Oh and when you say let them solve it 'diplomatically' you don't understand how funny it sounds for me.We never have diplomatic talk with the ones who claim our soil.It's pathetic.

But the problem is your oil will run out too, your people have to come to Dubai to find work to apply to US embassies for visa, the most applicants at the US consulate in Dubai is from Iranians, so much so that they have a special Iran counter. Dubai facilitates them.

Iranians need the diplomacy as much as Dubai needs it. Iranian goods are sold in Dubai in all the budget stores, after they are the ones who sell all the most of the cheap items. There are grocery store and auto workshops that are primarily Iran owned. How many other countries are still selling Iranian goods?

You can't live in isolation, neither has UAE been the one Arab country that has been harsh towards Iranians except on the issue of the Islands, where lets face it, Iran used military and force FIRST. You can huff and puff all you want, but UAE is also making you spend on keeping a military force there on a piece of rock. The money is being wasted by you, not UAE, so who's money would really run out first?

 

[longbrained]

Guys cool down, we know that UAE can not and will not attack Iran which is a much bigger country. For all matter they can even claim Tehran and Moscow or Beijing as part of their country but it will not become part of theirs just because they say it. So let it go.

 

[Awesome]

Guys cool down, we know that UAE can not and will not attack Iran which is a much bigger country. For all matter they can even claim Tehran and Moscow or Beijing as part of their country but it will not become part of theirs just because they say it. So let it go.

They are not claiming Tehran, they are claiming the Island that Iran forcibly took over while the matter was being resolved diplomatically. C'mon you're behaving like might is right is a good concept. Why do you decry India's occupation of Kashmir? They took it forcibly too right?

 

[King Solomon]

They are not claiming Tehran, they are claiming the Island that Iran forcibly took over while the matter was being resolved diplomatically. C'mon you're behaving like might is right is a good concept. Why do you decry India's occupation of Kashmir? They took it forcibly too right?

As far as I know, the island was sold to Iran when Britain occupied whole Arabian peninsula in WWI. Thus, Iran has sole, exclusive right to it.

Just like Russian Empire sold Alaska and California to USA in 18th century.

 

[lem34]

O ArYan ! How dare you question the behavior and practices of torch bearer of Islam The House of Saud Monarchy , surely the wrath of Allah is on you and in fire shall you dwell forever !

Cheers mate I wont dwell on that one too long

The UAE is probably the only country that is not going to give Air Force bases to the US in any hypothetical attack on Iran, despite the shenanigans on the Islands between the two (some very useless Islands), Iran is still quite a favored country. There are massive Iranian businesses hosted by the UAE and even after the sanctions the UAE has placed restriction on its banks dealing with the Iranian banks in UAE (there are I think 3 of them) but they have not been shut down.

That's what I thought I thought UAE Iran relations were better than other Arab Iran relations. Must say was surprised first at them requesting we leave Shamsi base with Americans and now this needless tiff

Very nice,a moderator from UAE gave me infractions because of insulting Arabs and UAE.fair enough.
So tell me where did i insult Arabs or any others that i deserved an infraction?

I didn't post this thread to prove that islands belong to Iran.I just posted it to show they leave in a fancy dream,oil money has made them blind.They see Iran is under sanctions and they have western support (only because of their oil),so they start to think they are something big and powerful.
I don't need to prove that islands belong to Iran,my ancestors did it 2500 years ago,before any Arab,Dubai and UAE existed.

It's really interesting for me that no one mention here that Bahrain belonged to Iran too.So we have every right to take it back to its motherland.right?

Well Era mate earlier Mossa or Somebozo were complaining that Mods had been paid to allow us to insult them. So I guess this means if no one likes the mods they must be fair

The history is simply Shia-Sunni issues that have existed since the dawn of time.

I agree but Iran and UAE need to rise above this I do believe third parties maybe American's are stirring the pot.