UAE condemns Pakistan first time

[HRK]

Expressed? yes and many times during last 70 years, but this time they needed to "see" it not "hear" it.

they were expecting (and rightly so) and relying on Pakistan's support, we ditched them and they are hurt. Now they will never trust us again and no matter what we do, we will never be able to wash this away ever. That's the cost nations pay because of their incompetent leaders/politicians. it takes decades to build the trust, just a second to lose it...for good.

oh nahi yaar just wait & see ....

1. Even Saudis are not going to launch ground offensive in Yemen
2. Therefore as off now they do not need 'extra' man power their own forces are more then enough to handle the situation
3. Saudis should focus two main objectives
   1. Safeguard their interest and
   2. & deny 'undue' Iranian influence,
4. This situation is exactly same as the situation we faced in Afghanistan after Taliban withdrawal, therefore to counter 'undue' Iranian influence they need 'Neutral' International Troops & for that troops from those countries who are in alliance with KSA in airstrikes are out of question, nor I think Americans & NATO would like engage themselves in Yemen.
5. 'Political engagement' at various regional & International levels is necessary before the deployment of International troops
6. One immediate issue is the failure of Mansur Hadi regime, now he offer no political benefit & solution to the problem infact now he himself has become the part of the problem
7. New Interim Administration would be required to look after the affairs of State, but for this the problems are
   1. Current crises is the natural outcome of Power struggle b/w different groups,
   2. Even Houthis will have at least two faction for power gain Ali Abdullah Saleh, Abdul Malik factions
   3. Add Sunni tribes to this equation
8. If all the concerns quarter would not have their due share in interim setup that arrangement will fail & will create a bigger crises then
9. Presence of ISIS & Al-Qaida is another issue which complicates the Yemen situation even further.
10. If Saudis go on rampage and some how manage to destroy Ansarallah that will benefit Al-Qaida & ISIS
11. Both of these are also Anti-Saud / KSA groups.
12. So to achieve comparatively stable & neutral Yemen KSA need to engage Houthi politically with in Yemen & International community 'beyond' the GCC diplomatically.
13. Pakistan & Turkey support would be more beneficial at Diplomatic level then the 'fighting a war at this stage'.
14. Initial response of KSA is quite right as they have cut Houthis from Iran from where they were getting materialistic support & they have also shown their resolution to go hard if situation go beyond limits.

In the end concentrate at point # 5, 10 & 11 of the Parliamentary resolution

 

[Saif al-Arab]

Some Pakistanis are being very dramatic about this whole issue. One overreaction is sparking another one.

People are seriously discussing Saudi Arabia and UAE kicking out Pakistanis because a Minister of State for Foreign Affairs (no, he's not the Foreign Minister) tweeted a little rant? Or that Pakistan will shift strategically towards Iran?

Are you guys serious?

dear they haven't f**ked anything they have actually passed a very accurate and balanced resolution which is drawing a Red Line .... just read the resolution even the title of the resolution is

The Parliament (Majlis-e-Shoora) expresses unequivocal support for the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia

National Assembly of Pakistan
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The point here need to be understand that Yemen is not a matter our 'concern' but 'KSA' is ..... same as Afghanistan was not a matter of concern of Saudi Arab but Pakistan is a matter of her interest from USSR invasion in Afghanistan till to date.

Saudis understand this therefore their reaction is very different then the knee jerk reaction of UAE's foreign minister.

Expressed? yes and many times during last 70 years, but this time they needed to "see" it not "hear" it.

they were expecting (and rightly so) and relying on Pakistan's support, we ditched them and they are hurt. Now they will never trust us again and no matter what we do, we will never be able to wash this away ever. That's the cost nations pay because of their incompetent leaders/politicians. it takes decades to build the trust, just a second to lose it...for good.

The trust will only be "lost" if Pakistan promised the coalition to provide a symbolic number of troops to give the coalition further legitimacy. If not then there is nothing to fear. People are blowing a Twitter update from 1 UAE official (not KSA) out of proportion.

 

[Hyperion]

Phattooo sala. Arbon say darr gayya. Tera kiya ho ga kala maulvi?

Pakistani Parliament has made sure they piss of entire Sunni World for GOD sake even Sudan went in. I hope and I think Pakistani Armed forces will quitely provide what GCC asks for or we are looking at economic and strategic disaster the biggest of our history

 

[Yaduveer]

UAE must learn to respect the decision made by the Pakistani people through their parliament.

As if Pakistan cares for their parliament and people's voice. Remember wise words of Zia ul haq about constitution.

 

[Yaduveer]

Better for Pakistan to stay away from Arab mess

Governments of Pakistan is decided in Arab countries . Nawaz was saved by Saudi Royals from Military in 1999 . NRO has signed to save Zardari .

except Imran every one has a baggage of favours from Arabs.

 

[Kaniska]

We survived because of these countries who are now shown back at least by our Parliament but I think Army quitely is providing support what ever they asked for

You are a strange person...At least your Gov is doing something which is right for your country...Do you want your nation to get sandwitched in an fight which is not yours?..How can you justify something important for a foreign country rather than your own country?...Strange and surprising...

 

[Saif al-Arab]

oh nahi yaar just wait & see ....

1. Even Saudis are not going to launch ground offensive in Yemen
2. Therefore as off now they do not need 'extra' man power their own forces are more then enough to handle the situation
3. Saudis should focus two main objectives
   1. Safeguard their interest and
   2. & deny 'undue' Iranian influence,
4. This situation is exactly same as the situation we faced in Afghanistan after Taliban withdrawal, therefore to counter 'undue' Iranian influence they need 'Neutral' International Troops & for that troops from those countries who are in alliance with KSA in airstrikes are out of question, nor I think Americans & NATO would like engage themselves in Yemen.
5. 'Political engagement' at various regional & International levels is necessary before the deployment of International troops
6. One immediate issue is the failure of Mansur Hadi regime, now he offer no political benefit & solution to the problem infact now he himself has become the part of the problem
7. New Interim Administration would be required to look after the affairs of State, but for this the problems are
   1. Current crises is the natural outcome of Power struggle b/w different groups,
   2. Even Houthis will have at least two faction for power gain Ali Abdullah Saleh, Abdul Malik factions
   3. Add Sunni tribes to this equation
8. If all the concerns quarter would not have their due share in interim setup that arrangement will fail & will create a bigger crises then
9. Presence of ISIS & Al-Qaida is another issue which complicates the Yemen situation even further.
10. If Saudis go on rampage and some how manage to destroy Ansarallah that will benefit Al-Qaida & ISIS
11. Both of these are also Anti-Saud / KSA groups.
12. So to achieve comparatively stable & neutral Yemen KSA need to engage Houthi politically with in Yemen & International community 'beyond' the GCC diplomatically.
13. Pakistan & Turkey support would be more beneficial at Diplomatic level then the 'fighting a war at this stage'.
14. Initial response of KSA is quite right as they have cut Houthis from Iran from where they were getting materialistic support & they have also shown their resolution to go hard if situation go beyond limits.

1) You cannot know that yet. Also it totally depends on whether the objectives will be reached. The coalition has always stated that the solution lies in the hands of the Yemenis themselves and that the coalition will support the Yemeni people. KSA' won't negotiate when it comes to its own security though and Houthi's are a serious threat on the long run.

2) Pakistani involvement was always more symbolic/political than anything. There is not a lack of ground troops. What might be lacking are battle hardened troops in mountain warfare and that's were 1000 Pakistani mountain troops would fit.

3) Correct and the leadership believes that damaging the Houthi's is part of that. Rightly or wrongly. We will see in the future.

4) Correct.

5) Correct.

6) Hadi was always a transitional figure. The support for him is bound in him being the legitimate (internationally recognized) President than him being some old trusted ally.

7) Correct. Yemen is extremely divided and complicated and it will take a political solution for the problems to be solved.

8) Yes, which has been the main problem of Yemen for decades.

9) Indeed.

10) The coalition has openly stated (it's part of the coalition's plan) that it will target AQAP as well. Opening two fronts at once is not wise though as of now. You don't see the Western/Arab coalition in Syria targeting Assad as well as ISIS at the same time. So far only ISIS have been targeted.

11) Yes indeed.

12) Correct. KSA already tried to find a political solution with the Houthi's before the war erupted but they refused.

This article below was posted in the beginning of March. The operation started in late March.

GCC invites Al Houthis to Riyadh talks on Yemen crisis | GulfNews.com

13) Yes but Pakistan has already clearly stated that it stands behind KSA's territorial integrity and that it supports the coalition. You don't have to send troops to do that. Turkey is on the same front but with all due respect then they are not really involved in Yemen. It's too far away from them and they have Syria and Iraq next door and the "Kurdish question" to think about.

14) Exactly.

Great post @HRK . Cheers.

 

[Thorough Pro]

I am agreeing with you, I know its not going to become a full blown war, that is why I am disappointed with Pak Gov's decision. when we knew its not going to get out of control, what was the harm in standing by our long term allies and strengthening our bond and confidence even more?

Who said that by sending our forces and assuring them of our support we still could not have stresses the need for dialogue? and in my opinion it would have been a lot easier to convince them while standing beside them rather than this odd position we took

oh nahi yaar just wait & see ....

1. Even Saudis are not going to launch ground offensive in Yemen
2. Therefore as off now they do not need 'extra' man power their own forces are more then enough to handle the situation
3. Saudis should focus two main objectives
   1. Safeguard their interest and
   2. & deny 'undue' Iranian influence,
4. This situation is exactly same as the situation we faced in Afghanistan after Taliban withdrawal, therefore to counter 'undue' Iranian influence they need 'Neutral' International Troops & for that troops from those countries who are in alliance with KSA in airstrikes are out of question, nor I think Americans & NATO would like engage themselves in Yemen.
5. 'Political engagement' at various regional & International levels is necessary before the deployment of International troops
6. One immediate issue is the failure of Mansur Hadi regime, now he offer no political benefit & solution to the problem infact now he himself has become the part of the problem
7. New Interim Administration would be required to look after the affairs of State, but for this the problems are
   1. Current crises is the natural outcome of Power struggle b/w different groups,
   2. Even Houthis will have at least two faction for power gain Ali Abdullah Saleh, Abdul Malik factions
   3. Add Sunni tribes to this equation
8. If all the concerns quarter would not have their due share in interim setup that arrangement will fail & will create a bigger crises then
9. Presence of ISIS & Al-Qaida is another issue which complicates the Yemen situation even further.
10. If Saudis go on rampage and some how manage to destroy Ansarallah that will benefit Al-Qaida & ISIS
11. Both of these are also Anti-Saud / KSA groups.
12. So to achieve comparatively stable & neutral Yemen KSA need to engage Houthi politically with in Yemen & International community 'beyond' the GCC diplomatically.
13. Pakistan & Turkey support would be more beneficial at Diplomatic level then the 'fighting a war at this stage'.
14. Initial response of KSA is quite right as they have cut Houthis from Iran from where they were getting materialistic support & they have also shown their resolution to go hard if situation go beyond limits.

In the end concentrate at point # 5, 10 & 11 of the Parliamentary resolution

 

[pakistanitarzan]

Pakistani Parliament has made sure they piss of entire Sunni World for GOD sake even Sudan went in. I hope and I think Pakistani Armed forces will quitely provide what GCC asks for or we are looking at economic and strategic disaster the biggest of our history

You were against Pakistani Army attacking North Waziristan because you thought that the Talibans would fight back harder and that there would never be long lasting peace but now you are saying that Pakistan should join the coalition to attack Yemen. It appears to me that you have hatred towards a certain sects of Islam.

To the topic, Pakistan made the best decision to not join this coalition. We do not need a sunni/shia divide and a sectarian war in Pakistan.

 

[Established_1965]

wow, I'm feeling SG to be a superpower compared to these arab countries :O.

 

[Kompromat]

"The Pakistani parliament has taken the right decision for the right reasons, and if Gargash and his fellow sheikhs don’t like it, they can go jump into their oil wells."

The sweet sound of a glorious oil-drenched slap - The Express Tribune

@Hyperion -

 

[ZYXW]

This is how I feel about the UAE :

 

[Al Bhatti]

I think these threads should be merged as there are 3 running already on the same topic.

yes.

Please merge this thread and the below two threads


UAE Government Slams Pakistan's Vote On Yemen

UAE warns Pakistan of ‘heavy price for ambiguous stand’ on Yemen

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April 11, 2015

In this Monday, March 30, 2015 file photo provided by the Saudi Press Agency (SPA), Royal Saudi Land Forces and units of Special Forces of the Pakistani army take part in a joint military exercise called "Al-Samsam 5" in Shamrakh field, north of Baha region, southwest Saudi Arabia.

Arab Parliament head ‘disappointed’ with Pakistan’s decision
Pakistan’s parliament adopted a neutral stance on the crisis in Yemen

Ahmad Bin Mohammad Al Jarwan, Chairman of the Arab Parliament in the Arab league said he ‘disappointed’ with the Pakistani parliament’s decision to remain neutral in the Yemen conflict.

His comments came a day after the Pakistani Parliament decided not to participate in Operation Decisive Storm in a move that drew sharp criticism from the UAE.

Al Jarwan described the Pakistani decision as ‘inconsistent’ with Arab and Islamic stances.

On Friday, the UAE Minister of State for Foreign Affairs Dr Anwar Mohammad Gargash has said on Twitter that the Pakistani parliament’s rejection of intervention in Yemen is “unexpected from Islamabad”.

“The Pakistani parliament’s decision that stipulates “neutrality in the Yemeni conflict” and expresses “its genuine support for Saudi Arabia” is contradictory and unexpected from Islamabad.”

‘The Arabian Gulf is in a dangerous and fateful confrontation and its strategic security is at stake. Moments like these distinguish real allies from those of media statements”. “Pakistan is required to have a clear stance for the sake of

its strategic relations with Gulf states. Positions that are contradictory in such fateful issue has a high cost,” Gargash added.

Arab Parliament head ‘disappointed’ with Pakistan’s decision | GulfNews.com

 

[macnurv]

wow, I'm feeling SG to be a superpower compared to these arab countries :O.

Now now, your statement will only upset Malaysia, Boleh!

 

[Al Bhatti]

April 11, 2015

The Yemeni Crisis: Pakistan needs to decide
The Pakistani government must listen to the voice of the people before committing to participate in any attacks against Yemen.

The media is replete with news on the escalating Yemeni conundrum, which is in the grip of its most severe crisis in years with competing forces fighting to take over control of the country. Underprivileged but strategically significant, the fight for power in Yemen has serious implications for the region as well as the security of the West.

It is a known fact that the main fight is between forces loyal to the former President Abd Rabbuh Mansur Hadi, and the Houthis, who forced Hadi to flee the capital in February. As a result, security forces have split loyalties, with some units backing Hadi, and others the Houthis and Hadi’s predecessor Ali Abdullah Saleh, who has remained politically powerful.

Apart from the historical background of the Yemeni conflict, and what truly should be a matter of serious concern is that fact that the current crisis in Yemen possesses every potential to innately aggravate regional tensions. The West also stands seriously perturbed by the rapidly aggravating situation in Yemen. The fears of the West have, in fact, increased because of the threat of attacks emanating from the war-torn country as it becomes more unstable.

All said and done, not only the Arab world, but the entire world and the coalition partners including Pakistan, a very close friend of Saudi Arabia must immediately put their heads together and sincerely attempt to find a diplomatic solution to the present crisis in Yemen. Pakistan, it is believed, has committed to Saudi Arabia of agreeing to full military support as solicited by it. Unambiguously, the brotherly country of Saudi Arabia has been an all-weather friend of Pakistan. It has always wholeheartedly supported Pakistan during its difficult times. Naturally, Pakistan must reciprocate by standing behind Saudi Arabia in times of its need. However, before deciding its level and mode of support to Saudi Arabia in its war against Yemen, the government of Pakistan must not only take both houses of the Parliament of the country into confidence, but every segment of the society that could facilitate in building a consensus in the matter.

— The reader is a Pakistani based in Islamabad, Pakistan

The Yemeni Crisis: Pakistan needs to decide | GulfNews.com