U.S Will Continue To Target Pakistan After Afghan Withdrawal

[Hasbara Buster]

This should show all the pro-US Pakistanis something. Give them something to think about. Is the US really our ally? What do they want to achieve? Are these people in the borders really a threat to them? Or are they trying for a slow but big instability process of Pakistan?

Remember what Condoleeza Rice said in 2002 ? "Borders are going to change from Morocco to Pakistan." Pakstan is considered essential to control and encircle China and Russia by American imperialists. It's not a secret, anyone who is seriously interested in international relations already knows this but of course I don't expect kids here to know.

 

[Edevelop]

It depends on our leadership. Zardari and company are no different from Musharraf and Nawaz Sharif. They are all pro U.S. It just a matter of time. A couple of months to go and there is the election. If Imran Khan wins, we know whats coming specifically regarding war on terror.

 

[Hasbara Buster]

How much money does Pakistan receive from the U.S.? Is it really that hard to tell them to **** off? China can free Pakistan from the US.

 

[JayAtl]

Remember what Condoleeza Rice said in 2002 ? "Borders are going to change from Morocco to Pakistan." .

I could not find that quote online at first pass, you got a link senor anti western propagandist living off western welfare?

 

[TVVELVEMO$]

Here is a suggestion:-
Tax the enormous accumulation\concentration of wealth amongst Pakistan's plutocrats, which you call "ruling elite class". Then use that to co-develop an armed HALE drone with the Chinese, on the pattern of JF-17\FC-1 Thunder Project. As 2014 nears, make a firm announcement that now Pakistan is able to monitor its own airspace over Waziristan and does not need foreign help and highlight risk of Pak drones colliding with intruding drones if not managed jointly. Emphasize openess to cooperation & joint operations BUT no unilateral armed flights within her own airspace. See its that easy!

P.S. There are opportunities & costs attached to all this for Pakistan & US. The trick is to find the right balance. And if that fails.....well there are other options...

 

[SQ8]

Here is a suggestion:-
Tax the enormous accumulation\concentration of wealth amongst Pakistan's plutocrats, which you call "ruling elite class". Then use that to co-develop an armed HALE drone with the Chinese, on the pattern of JF-17\FC-1 Thunder Project. As 2014 nears, make a firm announcement that now Pakistan is able to monitor its own airspace over Waziristan and does not need foreign help and highlight risk of Pak drones colliding with intruding drones if not managed jointly. Emphasize openess to cooperation & joint operations BUT no unilateral armed flights within her own airspace. See its that easy!

P.S. There are opportunities & costs attached to all this for Pakistan & US. The trick is to find the right balance. And if that fails.....well there are other options...

That platform is already existent with the Chinese.. and even evaluated.
The costs of it, even if borne and bought.. would not "change" the dynamics of how this war has to be fought.
Putting up hundreds of barrage balloons with tiny cameras in the guise of surveillance wont matter either.
The US will still come through.. its a strategy of purpose.. not compromise with the drones for the US.

 

[Umair Nawaz]

Even with the war in Afghanistan winding down, the United States will continue its fight against al Qaeda and its affiliates, wherever they may be, by using all means available in an armed conflict, the Pentagon's chief lawyer said Friday.

"We must counter al Qaeda in the places where it seeks to establish safe haven and prevent it from reconstituting in others. To do this, we must utilize every national security element of our government," said Jeh Johnson, the top lawyer for the U.S. Defense Department, at a speech Friday at Oxford University in England.

Those elements of force, he said, include unmanned aerial vehicles, widely referred to as drones, to kill suspected terrorists hiding in the ungoverned regions of Pakistan, in Yemen and elsewhere.

Pentagon: U.S. fight on terror not ending with Afghan war – CNN Security Clearance - CNN.com Blogs
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So we should expect more innocent men women and children being killed in drone attacks as collateral damage that will ensue, as is happening now. For how long will this continue? The US says this approach is consistent with the Geneva Conventions governing conflict and that all three branches of the U.S. government have endorsed the efforts used to combat al Qaeda.

Really? How is it consistent with international law? These extra judicial killings by drone attacks are a gross violation of human rights. Thousands of innocent civilians were killed in Iraq during Operation Shock and Awe. How many more in Pakistan? But for the US, civilian casualties are just a statistic for the record books.

It doesnt say about Pakistan but the guy who is posting it is just assuming it.

 

[nacholibre]

2014 seem to be faaarrr

 

[JayAtl]

Quite a bit of them are currently weighing in their own apples... individually.
Since the ruling class is never long term orientated(contrary to all expectations).. the mentality may be.. never the personalities.
The question is not of the effectiveness of the Drone as an assassin.. perhaps the best assassin ever invented.
But of the targets, and the precision of the assassination.
The cost benefit here.. is in terms of holding terrorists at bay.. and holding out on the long term to quell any further rise of terrorism while making sure that those terrorists that exist are not able to exert their activities and influence out of these key incubators.
Now, that approach has worked on one end.. i.e the blocking of terrorism from exporting terror to the capital.
But the rate at which that worked.. is less than the rate at which more sympathizers(assisted or not) have propped up in major population centers and otherwise.. based on the effects of these drones..and moreover, based on the "additional" material the anti-drone effects get across the result is an actual rise in extremism rather than a containment of it.
To the ruling class, this presents a problem.. and for most they consider Pakistan a sinking ship and are simply trying to prolong the patients life so whatever can be sucked out of it is done..There is a MASSIVE bubble that is eventually going to collapse on Pakistanis(at least in my view).

The drones then, in this equation.. are useful for taking out some elements that effect Pakistan as well.. but at the same time.. not. The Ruling class has decided, that while it means that the equation is being lost.. it is still a delayed decay as compared to the crises that will follow if one of these drones is shot down.
Its basically the preference of a slow death over a quick one.

Oscar I suspect you latched on to the word " ruling class"... I asked a completely separate question of you though. Please read my post again.

Specifically, about the decision ( Pak letting US to continue), is based on the fact that it is better for the US to be the evil guy in pakistan's public's eyes vs. risking , paying for the pakistan army to do it themselves.

Fully knowing that pakistan's armies "COLLATERAL damage" would be 10 fold.

Why 10 fold?- because pakistan's army as a fact- used artillery and aircraft to bomb the area, which as proven, resulted in thousands of Pakistanis being displaced and the VERY FACT that an artillery firing, bombing with aircraft's = worst collateral due to the radius it effects vs drones.

 

[livingdead]

Why change thread title, just post the news as it is and give your opinion below that.
US most probably will target yemen, somalia and some african countries where AQ is still active. US operation against AQ in afganistan is a success, if taliban guarantees they wont attack american interest, they will be part of the negotiation process.

 

[Abu Zolfiqar]

One has to really hand it to the Amreekans, on the on hand they offer some more weaponry to Pakistan and on the other declare their intention to keep sending Predators; all on the same day and in the same breath as it were.
Brazen "Carrot and Stick" policy?

defence cooperation isnt even what is used to be; most of the "defence" cooperation will be focused purely on counter terrorism and counter demolitions/bomb detecting equipment / night-vision type stuff

Pakistanis themselves have become wary about putting all eggs in one basket

as for the drones - they are allowed covertly by the Zardari government and this is no longer a secret even.

 

[MilSpec]

That platform is already existent with the Chinese.. and even evaluated.
The costs of it, even if borne and bought.. would not "change" the dynamics of how this war has to be fought.
Putting up hundreds of barrage balloons with tiny cameras in the guise of surveillance wont matter either.
The US will still come through.. its a strategy of purpose.. not compromise with the drones for the US.

Only good leadership can make any significant policy shift. My worst fear is such US actions deliberately are meant to provoke some factions in Pak Military setup and weaken it.

 

[Rusty]

Oscar I suspect you latched on to the word " ruling class"... I asked a completely separate question of you though. Please read my post again.

Specifically, about the decision ( Pak letting US to continue), is based on the fact that it is better for the US to be the evil guy in pakistan's public's eyes vs. risking , paying for the pakistan army to do it themselves.

Fully knowing that pakistan's armies "COLLATERAL damage" would be 10 fold.

Why 10 fold?- because pakistan's army as a fact- used artillery and aircraft to bomb the area, which as proven, resulted in thousands of Pakistanis being displaced and the VERY FACT that an artillery firing, bombing with aircraft's = worst collateral due to the radius it effects vs drones.

You are under the assumption that we would solve this problem militarily.
Remember, it wasn't us who stirred up this hornets nest. Our "leaders" sold us out for money.
The solution to this problem is for Pakistan to de-couple from the US, stop taking their money and tell the people that we will fight this war our way.
Only after that is done can we start to make this our war, bring the people to our side and used police/special forces action to take down the rest.

Remember, it was Einstein who said that madness is doing the same thing over and over again expecting different results. Well, we have been fighting this WOT for 10 years now with no different results.

 

[JayAtl]

defence cooperation isnt even what is used to be; most of the "defence" cooperation will be focused purely on counter terrorism and counter demolitions/bomb detecting equipment / night-vision type stuff

Pakistanis themselves have become wary about putting all eggs in one basket

as for the drones - they are allowed covertly by the Zardari government and this is no longer a secret even.

and what did Musharraf do in the " allow" department? i.e his response to " either you are with us or against us"

Seems like Zadari is being held to a different standard... good or bad.

You are under the assumption that we would solve this problem militarily.
Remember, it wasn't us who stirred up this hornets nest. Our "leaders" sold us out for money.
The solution to this problem is for Pakistan to de-couple from the US, stop taking their money and tell the people that we will fight this war our way.
Only after that is done can we start to make this our war, bring the people to our side and used police/special forces action to take down the rest.

Remember, it was Einstein who said that madness is doing the same thing over and over again expecting different results. Well, we have been fighting this WOT for 10 years now with no different results.

Ahh the old- it will be all cool if only we let the terrosists breathe, they will all give up terrorism. how did that work in the past when Musharraf signed multiple " peace treaties" with the terrorists, for Pakistan? maybe I should ask ou if even knew that... first

 

[Rusty]

and what did Musharraf do in the " allow" department? i.e his response to " either you are with us or against us"

Seems like Zadari is being held to a different standard... good or bad.



how did that work in the past when Musharraf signed multiple " peace treaties" with the terrorists, for Pakistan? maybe I should you if even knew that... first

We already know how that went
When Musharraf signed the peace deals there was actual peace
The militants kept to the peace deals and all bombings and fighting stopped.
And in EVERY case it was the Pakistani government, under pressure from the US, who broke those peace deals.
Didn't expect that did you?
That's why it's better to stay silent and be thought a fool then to open your mouth and be confirmed to be one.