U.S. to intensify drone strikes in Pakistan

[lem34]

Actually Russia and even China do not want a radicalized Afghanistan in their backyard. Both of these nations support ISAF mission in Afghanistan - rather indirectly.

Go check out the cars thread. China Russia Iran and Pakistan are on the same page as far as Afghanistan is concerned as far as the vision for the future for Afghanistan is concerned. Only America and India stand on the other vision

 

[TaimiKhan]

Their troops have seen the worst the talibs have had to offer. They have not been sunbathing in Afghanistan for the last decade. At the very most, the talibunnies can blow up a few more bazaars. Yeah right, tell me how that affects the Americans.



...and I have already stated that this hatred cannot touch the Americans. They are safe and sound and, well, enjoying the latest issue of Playboy. Only ones that this hatred business is not working too well for is Pakistan, its society and its economy.



You're making that part up by yourself. Are you telling me that your Army Chief favours drone strikes without doing a thorough cost-benefot analysis? Is he that incompetent to have allowed a foreign power to drone his country, in fact demanding for even more drone attacks not knowing how many innocents it is going to kill? Is he that incompetent?

Chances are that Kayani did his math and found out that there were two options available:

1. Lose a few innocent civilians in a drone strike.

2. Lose a lot many innocent civilians in a ground op.

Kayani made the sensible choice.

The haven't seen the worse which they have to offer, they are mostly seeing short documentaries, sneak peeks, trailers kind of stuff. Just today a NATO soldier got killed by an ANA soldier, and the hundreds so far killed speak contrary to blowing up of bazars. US soldier going out base or let out of the base to kill more then a dozen villagers speaks the mental torture the US soldiers are in.

and i told you before to come out of the Indian mentality of the hatred thingy by bringing in Pakistanis, the usual trick of Indians. We know thanks to the media and internet and open literature know very well what Indians are and how much to hate them, we don't now need state propaganda for that. The Indian mentality on this forum very well gives us the level of hatred we need to have with you guys. So now stop with your old nonsense, we now know for ourselves whom to hate and to which level. And i said the same, they may be safe for now by endangering and killing hundred of thousands, but their time will one day.

Plz read my post again and see what i said, its not about cost-benefit analysis, Army has been telling again and again that loose drone strikes which kills much more then the intended target is not beneficial as it provides fuel to the militants in the shape of family members joining the taliban to take revenge. You want to kill one AQ commander and his 4 body guards, fine, but with it if you kill the family members of the neighboring houses, it creates problem for both of us. That is the point to take care of.

 

[LeGenD]

Go check out the cars thread. China Russia Iran and Pakistan are on the same page as far as Afghanistan is concerned as far as the vision for the future for Afghanistan is concerned. Only America and India stand on the other vision

So China, Russia, Iran, and Pakistan want Taliban back?

 

[lem34]

So China, Russia, Iran, and Pakistan want Taliban back?

Some accommodation will have to be made for the people of Afghanistan and the Pashtun are one component of that country

http://www.defence.pk/forums/strate...ies-between-pak-russia-china-iran-cars-3.html

 

[IPL5]

Go check out the cars thread. China Russia Iran and Pakistan are on the same page as far as Afghanistan is concerned as far as the vision for the future for Afghanistan is concerned. Only America and India stand on the other vision

so what is russian and chinese vision ?

 

[LeGenD]

Some accommodation will have to be made for the people of Afghanistan and the Pashtun are one component of that country

http://www.defence.pk/forums/strate...ies-between-pak-russia-china-iran-cars-3.html

ISAF has no issue with Pashtun representation. Pashtun will get representation in Afghanistan, if they are willing to work with Afghan government. Pakistan is concerned about Indian infuence mainly. Nothing sinister.

NATO and Russia share common objectives in stabilizing Afghanistan and the broader region.

NATO-Russia cooperation on Afghanistan includes the provision counter-narcotic training to Afghan and Central Asian personnel. Since its inception late 2005, more than 1,000 officers were trained at the Domededovo Counter-Narcotics Training Center. At the Lisbon Summit, the NATO-Russia Council agreed to the establishment of a second training center in St Petersburg 5.

NATO-Russia transit arrangements for non-lethal goods proved critical to the development of the northern supply route to Afghanistan, thereby linking rail transportation between the Russian Federation, Ukraine, Uzbekistan and Kazakhstan. Initially set for non-lethal equipment originating from NATO member states, the arrangement was extended to the non-NATO Troop Contributing Nations, including reverse transit, at the NATO Lisbon Summit in November 2010.

The Lisbon Summit also marked the development of an NATO-Russia Helicopter Maintenance Trust Fund in 2011 to support the Afghan Armed Forces to operate its helicopter fleet more efficiently.

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http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/cndy/2011-12/06/content_14217254.htm

 

[Agni5000]

if there was an all out attack by Americans we are likely to nuke India as they will be complicit. But you are right this is not an Indian matter we should stay on topic.

Why not nuke now...

Get out from siachin or will nuke you??? Need balls...

 

[PakiRambo]

Well you are keeping a count by sitting in Canada.

Good for you.

It's not difficult to do a Wikipedia Search on Drone Strike Statistics.

Good for you for violating a forum member's right to privacy.

I'm talking about the trend in the Obama administration's reign. If we iterate the results till May for the complete 2012 year, the number of strikes will be a lot less than 70. That will show that drone strikes have decreased dramatically in the last three years. As the US is packing up its bags from Afghanistan, it will also result in the decline of drone strikes. If drone strikes are increased after most of the US troops, the "residual" troops might not be able to handle the blowback from the Taliban & its affiliates. If you notice when the number of drone strikes spiked up, it was during the time when Obama increased the troops by 30K, & wanted to "win". Now, he doesn't want to win, he wants to act tough & show he hasn't 'lost', he wants to draw down the troops. Drone strikes will decline sharply as well, & the situation in Afghanistan will slowly reach 'equilibrium'.

No doubt the Drone strikes are decreasing, especially for the year 2012. But will US increase the intensity of the strikes since co-operations by Pakistan & U.S. aren't in good conditions right now given the long closure of NATO supply route.

 

[Mercenary]

If the supply route is not that important as per what u are saying, then kindly ask US not to waste your tax dollars in sending delegations and generals asking for opening of the route, till these delegations and generals keep coming and ask for reopening the route, it negates what you just said above. They may have stocks for 6 months, other routes and aerial route might be open, but the economic value of the land route through pakistan is something which you are not getting. Do the math, may be you get the point of why the are sending delegations requesting to open the route.

And its not about a border post, when you need to take out your desperation and frustration, you kill to satisfy or reduce the desperation and frustration. We saw that in Iraq with US soldiers killing and raping, we saw recently the US soldier killing dozens of Afghans in their homes. many more examples, saw such actions in Vietnam also. Thus cold blooded murder of sleeping soldiers was to take out that frustration and desperation.

Well, I kind of agree with you there.

Supplies through Pakistan are the cheaper way. An Aerial supply route is much more expensive but its not the death knell in NATO operations.

As for border post, it wasn't sanctioned by higher echelons but some frustrated US pilot could have deliberately targetted the border post because his buddy was killed or something.

So that is is something that has to be investigated.

As for soldiers raping and pillaging. that has happened to every soldier who has fought every battle in the history of warfare. Have we forgotten what our soldiers did in East Pakistan in 1971?

 

[Ignited Mind]

The haven't seen the worse which they have to offer, they are mostly seeing short documentaries, sneak peeks, trailers kind of stuff. Just today a NATO soldier got killed by an ANA soldier, and the hundreds so far killed speak contrary to blowing up of bazars. US soldier going out base or let out of the base to kill more then a dozen villagers speaks the mental torture the US soldiers are in.

and i told you before to come out of the Indian mentality of the hatred thingy by bringing in Pakistanis, the usual trick of Indians. We know thanks to the media and internet and open literature know very well what Indians are and how much to hate them, we don't now need state propaganda for that. The Indian mentality on this forum very well gives us the level of hatred we need to have with you guys. So now stop with your old nonsense, we now know for ourselves whom to hate and to which level. And i said the same, they may be safe for now by endangering and killing hundred of thousands, but their time will one day.

I'm sorry I do not have a crystal ball as good as yours. For a foreign force fighting thousands of kilometres away from home in a condition where the ally itself plays the double game, the casualty figures of Americans are pretty much acceptable.

Given the constraints in which they are operating the results are not too bad for allied troops.

Any abnormal level of losses has not been witnessed so far and that pretty much speaks for itself. I am no astrologer and I have no means to predict why any future talib fury would be any worse for the American troops than it has ever been.

Plz read my post again and see what i said, its not about cost-benefit analysis, Army has been telling again and again that loose drone strikes which kills much more then the intended target is not beneficial as it provides fuel to the militants in the shape of family members joining the taliban to take revenge. You want to kill one AQ commander and his 4 body guards, fine, but with it if you kill the family members of the neighboring houses, it creates problem for both of us. That is the point to take care of.

Then take care of it and clean up the mess yourself. But you won't do that. You haven't done so for the last 10 years.

...and in that situation drone is the next best option available.

 

[Mercenary]

It's not difficult to do a Wikipedia Search on Drone Strike Statistics.

Good for you for violating a forum member's right to privacy.



No doubt the Drone strikes are decreasing, especially for the year 2012. But will US increase the intensity of the strikes since co-operations by Pakistan & U.S. aren't in good conditions right now given the long closure of NATO supply route.

Drone strikes have decreased because they have run out of targets.

Most of Al Qaeda's leadership is dead. TTP has been decimated while Haqqanis are the only game in town and they have moved their operations to Balochistan which is currently out of limits of drone strikes.

 

[TaimiKhan]

Good for you for violating a forum member's right to privacy.

have you original flags and your privacy would be kept, but you come with false flag operations in mind, you will be screwed as that is something we don't allow on the forum.

Since you are new, thus i am letting you go with just a warning, next time a ban will follow.

 

[lem34]

I'm sorry I do not have a crystal ball as good as yours. For a foreign force fighting thousands of kilometres away from home in a condition where the ally itself plays the double game, the casualty figures of Americans are pretty much acceptable.

I think Americans regard loss of life differently to developing countries like India

This is also the agenda of ISAF. Nothing sinister.

NATO and Russia share common objectives in stabilizing Afghanistan and the broader region.

NATO-Russia cooperation on Afghanistan includes the provision counter-narcotic training to Afghan and Central Asian personnel. Since its inception late 2005, more than 1,000 officers were trained at the Domededovo Counter-Narcotics Training Center. At the Lisbon Summit, the NATO-Russia Council agreed to the establishment of a second training center in St Petersburg 5.

NATO-Russia transit arrangements for non-lethal goods proved critical to the development of the northern supply route to Afghanistan, thereby linking rail transportation between the Russian Federation, Ukraine, Uzbekistan and Kazakhstan. Initially set for non-lethal equipment originating from NATO member states, the arrangement was extended to the non-NATO Troop Contributing Nations, including reverse transit, at the NATO Lisbon Summit in November 2010.

The Lisbon Summit also marked the development of an NATO-Russia Helicopter Maintenance Trust Fund in 2011 to support the Afghan Armed Forces to operate its helicopter fleet more efficiently.

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SCO can play 'bigger role' in Afghanistan|World|chinadaily.com.cn

Pashtun will get representation in Afghanistan, if they are willing to work with Afghan government. Pakistan is concerned about Indian infuence only.

I suggest you read the very long thread and you will learn the answers to the questions you have posed

 

[TaimiKhan]

Drone strikes have decreased because they have run out of targets.

Most of Al Qaeda's leadership is dead. TTP has been decimated while Haqqanis are the only game in town and they have moved their operations to Balochistan which is currently out of limits of drone strikes.

TTP has not been decimated and especially not by the US drones.

I wonder if the haqqanis have moved, why is SW still being mentioned in every US official's speech. I just wonder when you guys come and blame us, why don't you ask questions from the US/NATO/ANA/ANP etc etc, that how come Taliban travel hundreds of miles inland, transfer / smuggle in weapons and attack high value targets inside the Capital. Why i don't see Americans question their own forces of how such deep strikes happen inside Afghanistan. why something is not being done to dismantle the infrastructure available to these terrorists inside in Afghanistan ?? Why US/NATO troops have not taken back Nooristan and Kunar provinces, especially the areas they left empty for the taliban from pak side to live happily ever-after as of this moment.

 

[PakiRambo]

Good for you for violating a forum member's right to privacy.

have you original flags and your privacy would be kept, but you come with false flag operations in mind, you will be screwed as that is something we don't allow on the forum.

Since you are new, thus i am letting you go with just a warning, next time a ban will follow.

For all you know, I could be an Indian troll disguised as a Pakistani in some foreign country.