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Hi,

Local news agencies MSNBC and others are reporting that a top tier al qaeda operative was killed in pakistan in an air strike by a u s drone.

U S strike in pakistan---a clear message that if pakistan cannot do the job---others will do it for them.

Somebody needs to tell it to our brilliant generals that once they get in, there will be no stopping. So, stop making the excuses and step upto the plate.
 
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Assalamulaykum,

Can you please provide a link; I would be most grateful. {Even, I, want to check this out}

Allah Hafiz
 
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Mustapha,
Provide the link---???? Put a little effort---and if you don't know, here is how to get it---in your search engine type in u s air strike kills al libi---and like magic you will see links appear out of nowhere. Very easy. Now you know how---next time you don't have to ask and be dependant upon others.


I firmly believe in teaching a person how to fish---rather than give them help.:pakistan:


A Rahman, joint efforts will always be prefered and pakistan can claim that it was a part of the joint effort---we are in the enemy territory now, enemy is on the run---targets of oppurtunity are available for both the sides to be taken out. So whomsoever is closer to the target, will take the lead in the strike. Time is of great essence. It has been awhile that a top tier target has been located and neutralized---I think the push needs to be made a little stronger now---there is snow on the mountains---this a perfect time to go ahead with the offensive as the taliban are on the run in fata. Let nature take its toll as well. To step back and give them time to recoup their losses will not be a good strategy. I know that it will be extremely tough for our soldiers to fight in these circumstances---but it will be tougher for the enemy to survive as well.

Mehsud needs to be taken out. Pakistan needs to step up its efforts a couple of notches. Uptil now, they have only been playing catch up game---always behind---always too late. Only the pakistani cannot see it---but all the world is looking at it and absorbing the information. For that reason, they have been pushing for a new leadership and NATO strikes inside pakistan---now just because they failed one time---it does not mean they will fail all the time---a new leadership will be selected, that under extreme conditions of duress and massive horse trading may pick up Mr Asif Ali Zardari to be the next PRIME MINISTER of pakistan after giving him a pardon and clearing his name and allowing him to fight the election, not this time but in the runoffs.

I think in order to fight extremists, you need someone mean and nasty---who can fight them on their level. Oh, this election is going to turn things around.
 
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Hi,

Local news agencies MSNBC and others are reporting that a top tier al qaeda operative was killed in pakistan in an air strike by a u s drone.

U S strike in pakistan---a clear message that if pakistan cannot do the job---others will do it for them.

Somebody needs to tell it to our brilliant generals that once they get in, there will be no stopping. So, stop making the excuses and step upto the plate.

MK, the PA does not have the resources or the operational capablities of the US armed forces which essentialy precludes them from stepping up to the plate.
 
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MK, the PA does not have the resources or the operational capablities of the US armed forces which essentialy precludes them from stepping up to the plate.

If this was the case then US/NATO forces could have exterminated Talibans by now.
 
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If this was the case then US/NATO forces could have exterminated Talibans by now.
Not at all. I am fairly certain that these people will never be "eliminated" considering that their's is a self sustaining movement/system.

From a strictly military perspective however, the NATO does hold a massive advantage over everybody else. The GoP and the PA can certainly make vast contributions to this conflict primarily by good intelligence gathering and by blocking all transit routes into Eastern Pakistan. However the Predator assisted surgical strike missions can only be accomplished by the NATO forces.
 
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If this was the case then US/NATO forces could have exterminated Talibans by now.

They would have if People in FATA wouldn't have been supporting them, Since were are tightly controlling the border now, you will see a decrease in attack against NATO & increasing casualties of Alqida
 
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this is good news less work for pakistan and army didn't have to do the work I don't care if the U.S did as long as they're getting rid of the militants causing us trouble it's good for us baitullah mehsud next on the list i hope :)
 
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Hi,

PA has the resources to fight the taliban and some more. We tell india all the time that we are going to take care of them---and we don't have resources to fight a rag tag army who can be squeezed from both the sides!!! Unacceptable. The only problem is that we don't have a 110% committment to the cause. We wait till the fanatic stabs us in the heart---then we show a surprise that he killed us while we were protecting their lives and of their children and women ( Islami Bhai ) and he also killed my children and my family without any remorse and on top of that, he justified that killing, by saying that it was his GOD GIVEN RIGHT and that is the ultimate justification and he will do it again and again while living under our sovereign protection---any of my pakistani brethren disagree with me---we can talk

Shan---people and nations make a bad mistake of underestimating the americans---and end up having their country destroyed---iraq is 80% contained now. Al qaeda is out of iraq. You need to understand that the u s didnot go into iraq to stay----they will be out of iraq pretty soon. Once they get their focus back in afghanistan and raise the troop level by another 20000 to 30000 troops, taliban will have no room to move around. Now in case of afghanistan---I don't think that the u s is going leave. Over here, they will have to seal the iranian border completely to stop the inflow of weapons---other than that the taliban will not have too many places to get weapons---PA will have to seal their side.

Pakistan will have more breathing room if another couple of high value targets are neutralized. The army cannot slacken of its assault now. The taliban are on the run and they need to keep running across the border.

Pakistan and Musharraf are facing too many enemies at one time---it is like an attack from 360*---plus attack from inside as well---I have not seen another nation face obstacles like these before---maybe in the muslim history books.
 
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Predator is a drone. Unmanned. It's nothing to slap a PAF decal on the craft and launch. Yeah, the attack was probably U.S. directed, if by Predator but-

"...pakistan can claim that it was a part of the joint effort..."

1.) Even w/ Predator able to put eyes on the grid coordinate, that doesn't necessarily mean it would. Isn't this story the fallout from the reputed Predator strike the other day up in N. Waziristan?

It's not flying around 24-7 over that location. It was sent by somebody who KNEW that this guy was present. SOF staking the location? If so, near a town as I recall? That's P.A. SOF then, not ours.

2.) This mission might be flown remotely from the states. If so, don't be surprised if PAF didn't have a "mission coordinator" in the chair next to the "pilot".

U.S. SOF wouldn't operate anywhere in Pakistan except right along the border. As much true wilderness as possible. Ain't hanging out at the tea-shops in town, that's for damn sure. Even then, there's little point in working just across the border unless in "hot pursuit" or an op that's directed on a specific target.

We can interdict trails w/ conventional infantry easier inside the Afghani border for the same gains and far less political risk. If bad guys are dyin' on your turf, you guys are doing the trigger-pulling ninety-nine times out of one hundred.

"Pakistan needs to step up its efforts a couple of notches. Uptil now, they have only been playing catch up game---always behind---always too late."


Not any more. I think this op has you guys all over it. It's obvious since November that your army is actively engaged in the west. Now you need to sustain and take the next step-one that America has had IMMENSE difficulty doing herself-

That's mobilizing all the elements of your nat'l power. For America in Iraq and Afghanistan, we've had GREAT difficulty getting our civilian bureaucracies at State, Commerce, Justice, Ag, Energy, etc. to see the obvious role that their expertise would fill in these nations. So too Pakistan.

It's all about delivering services. Services that truly enhance their lives and prospects for their children's future is the quid pro quo for their unbridled allegiance. Just now I'd have to think that it's somewhat qualified.

Services can't largely be delivered until security is established and maintained. But, with risk, it can begin concurrently in limited fashion. This is urgently needed. It's not efficient and, without follow-through of some meaning, can even be counter-productive by promoting an image of window-dressing. With determination to undertake a long-term, comprehensive change to the public health, education, and commerce of these regions, though, a rapid start quickly communicates that message through the community.

To do so, the GoP must decide that it'll finally and fully assert it's direct control over any autonomous territories of Pakistan. Pashtuns retaining their autonomy have created one of the most ungoverned areas in this world. They need full integration into the Pakistani mainstream.

It may well take twenty years but it also may well be the most important nat'l objective of Pakistan. I think that Pakistan, if determined to do so, would find a LOT of friends throughout the world who'd be willing to assist if the proposed plan was sincere, transparent, and thoughtful.

My apologies for my long-windedness.:agree: Forgive me.
 
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Mastan,

It maybe right that there is a bit of tardiness amongst people to fight against fellow Moslems, even if some perceive that the cause is there.

There is a vast majority (I am not talking of the people in uniform alone) in Pakistan, who do not think that the Taliban or the AQ is doing anything that is not acceptable to Islam. Therefore, there is surely a feeling that going for the Taliban may not be the right thing to do.

In fact, if one see the whole issue dispassionately, one will realise that the Taliban is an organisation that will be the sword arm of Pakistan in its future strategic thrusts.

The Taliban is an organisation that has been organised in Pakistan. The relationship with the Afghan govt is not what is desired by Pakistan since it does not serve its national interest. Therefore, there might come a time, when a military force is essential to tip the balance. Obviously, such an effort cannot be directly seen connected with Pakistan. At that moment of time, the Taliban, a veteran of many skirmishes, would be the ideal instrument to be launched.

Hence, the Taliban cannot be snuffed out!

Therefore, the apparent puss-yfooting is being perceived.

On the other hand, the US is keen to snuff out the Taliban.

Thus, the US alone is the sole party interested in finishing the Taliban, while others it is perceived are mere token bystanders.

The articles posted by S-2 maybe read in this context.

Currently, Musharraf is under siege from his own military friends of the past. His only salvation is the US and he has to have joint operations with the US.
 
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i am sure everyone is following this on CNN.

what is clear is that it was a CIA predator which fired the hellfire AGM, 2-3 days ago in the area of mir ali in n-waziristan.
this had the tacit approval of the GoP (read PA and president). confirmation of these things takes time as assets on the ground have to confirm the kill.
this is the type of co-operation which will increase in the coming days and weeks.
next on the list: Baitullah Mehsud!
Gung-Ho!
 
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There is a vast majority (I am not talking of the people in uniform alone) in Pakistan, who do not think that the Taliban or the AQ is doing anything that is not acceptable to Islam.

Well that's not true. Most Pakistanis think that Al Q are doing something non-acceptable..suicide bombings for a start. In Pakistan, a minority of people do support Al Q, not because of some ideological love for them, but because of hatred towards the US..because the US is occupying a neighbouring country. The same people that supported the US 20 years ago, hate the US now. Both support for Al Q and support for the US is quite low in Pakistan.

Therefore, there is surely a feeling that going for the Taliban may not be the right thing to do.

The Pashtuns who form the Taliban (or their descendants) will be in Afghanistan forever, the US will not. However, the Pakistani government has done its part in chasing the militants (Al Q militants) from the western frontier.

In fact, if one see the whole issue dispassionately, one will realise that the Taliban is an organisation that will be the sword arm of Pakistan in its future strategic thrusts.

Not necessarily the Taliban. But the Pashtuns of Afghanistan will be used as this "sword arm". They can come in any ideology. It just so happens the Jihadi groups are able to bring some security there.

The Taliban is an organisation that has been organised in Pakistan.

Not true. The Taliban started out in Afghanistan in Kandahar, by Mullah Omar to rescue some kidnap victims. It grew from there as people saw it doing some good for the country. Bhutto needed to take convoys to central asia, so supported the Taliban with supplies, as did the fervent Talibani supporter, Karzai, in the beginning. But it was organized in Afghanistan.

The relationship with the Afghan govt is not what is desired by Pakistan since it does not serve its national interest. Therefore, there might come a time, when a military force is essential to tip the balance. Obviously, such an effort cannot be directly seen connected with Pakistan. At that moment of time, the Taliban, a veteran of many skirmishes, would be the ideal instrument to be launched.

Something non Taliban but Pashtun would be ideal.

Hence, the Taliban cannot be snuffed out!

Therefore, the apparent puss-yfooting is being perceived.

On the other hand, the US is keen to snuff out the Taliban.

Thus, the US alone is the sole party interested in finishing the Taliban, while others it is perceived are mere token bystanders.

US isn't that interested in finishing off the Taliban (talks are being discussed), but it is interested in finishing off Al Q, just as Pakistan is. Al Q has caused instability in Pakistan, and instability in the US. So there is a common interest there. The Taliban might be guilty by association, but they are not a cause of instability anywhere (perhaps other than Afghanistan currently).

The articles posted by S-2 maybe read in this context.

Currently, Musharraf is under siege from his own military friends of the past. His only salvation is the US and he has to have joint operations with the US.

Perhaps one or two. Most of the military is behind him, else he couldn't be leader. The US he doesn't need, in fact if the US did not support him, he really would have the support of the people to take out Al Q from all over Pakistan. It's the association with the US that is causing him headaches.
 
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Mastan,

It maybe right that there is a bit of tardiness amongst people to fight against fellow Moslems, even if some perceive that the cause is there.

There is a vast majority (I am not talking of the people in uniform alone) in Pakistan, who do not think that the Taliban or the AQ is doing anything that is not acceptable to Islam. Therefore, there is surely a feeling that going for the Taliban may not be the right thing to do..

Sir Brigadier can you provide the number you termed vast majority ?????

Pakistan is a country of Billions of people and there are hardly even few thousands that support Al-Qaeda so please do not exegerat.
The Al-Qaeda terrorists are targeting innocent people in Pakistan too. there is no support of these retards of Al-qaeda among majority here.


In fact, if one see the whole issue dispassionately, one will realise that the Taliban is an organisation that will be the sword arm of Pakistan in its future strategic thrusts.

The Taliban is an organisation that has been organised in Pakistan. The relationship with the Afghan govt is not what is desired by Pakistan since it does not serve its national interest. Therefore, there might come a time, when a military force is essential to tip the balance. Obviously, such an effort cannot be directly seen connected with Pakistan. At that moment of time, the Taliban, a veteran of many skirmishes, would be the ideal instrument to be launched.

Hence, the Taliban cannot be snuffed out!

Therefore, the apparent puss-yfooting is being perceived.

On the other hand, the US is keen to snuff out the Taliban.

Thus, the US alone is the sole party interested in finishing the Taliban, while others it is perceived are mere token bystanders.

:) wow what PR you are doing for India here Sir Ray.

What an affort to scare Americans by confusing Al-Qaeda with Taliban.

Al-Qaeda is the real danger for US as well as the World hence we all are and need to wip out Al-Qaeda.

Al-Qaeda is basically working to harm US and West and all those who are fighting against Al-qaeda icluding Pakistan.


On the other hand Taliban are only fighting to end NATAO occupation.


While on the other hand Taliban being the inhabitants of Afghanistan are fighting for the rights of majority Pashtuns as the majority has been pushed back kept away from the government.
Only the war criminals and drug pushers are in the government in Afghanistan who can never ever be termed real representatives of Afghan people.
US had been working with Taliban in the past and they can work together quite nicely in the future provided US is willing to workout some strategy and take Taliban along in the government.
And that is the future vision which later or sooner the world, US and NATO has to realize.
You can never ever succeed just to take Northern Alliance along in Afghanistan that’s for sure.
Taliban are supported by majority in Afghanistan due which they are able to hit and run strong NATO force.
As far organization of Taliban RR has already replied you they were not organised in Pakistan rather they are purely Afghan organization.

And Sir Ray your entire post itself shows Indian fear of Talibans’ coming into power in future as in that case India will lose its terror camps inside Afghanistan in shape of its consulates which she uses for fomenting terrorism inside Pakistan.
Indian officials in the recent past were crying like anything asking the world to stop Taliban in Afghanistan it’s the same fear Sir nothing else.
The world has to come on table with Taliban that is the reality otherwise we are making another Iraq for US where the same situation prevails minority has been imposed on majority.
 
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