U.S request Pakistan to Close PAK - IRAN border

[Pakhtoon yum]

safe zone is a clever idea.

Or take balochistan/sistan and then set up a refugee camp under Pakistani administration.

 

[AmschelHonestvig]

Or take balochistan/sistan and then set up a refugee camp under Pakistani administration.

Yep - Safe Zone : then ask the world to fund it like the Turks got.

The turks missed the plot early on too - when it was much easier for them to set up simple Republic of North Syria
anf they could have announced it too -They entered the picture way too late.

The Similar thing seems to be case here too -- Pak can send humanitarian groups into sistan/Balochistan in Iran from now and then build it up !

Iranians already claim hot pursuit rights into Pak balohistan.

 

[SQ8]

Weigh the following:

1. Act like a big grown up state and say no just because you look weak to yourself to agree with the United States

2. Realize that there is a 1/4th population of Shia muslims among which at least 2-5% consider Iran as their holy land. This means that millions could spill into Iran ending up as casualties, quasi-refugees or combatants. In all those scenarios, it makes their home base i.e Pakistan an open ground for targeting.
Not to mention the expected blowback we will get at US embassies, affiliated businesses and off course McDonalds.

So while Iran may be the one in the crosshairs, its our leadership that is shaking in our knees with the possibility of the blowback we would receive.

The best action now is to deploy “safety” paramilitary at our western border and speed up sealing the Afghan side.

Otherwise we can expect a similar response as we see in Iraq except this time it will be the other sect blowing themselves up.

An Iranian conflict will ruin Pakistan to its core and remove any possibility of an economic or social recovery. The only way to ameliorate this is to completely go into a shell, close doors and minimize our media coverage of the issue.

At this point we should reach out to the Chinese with their internet monitoring and censorship systems and implement them on a war footing. It will pay dividends in the years to come.. especially from the nincompoops posting fake news and analysis on twitter, Facebook and YouTube.

Among other things, I wish one could implement Jail time or worse for those found guilty of spreading misinformation on life threatening issues in our country.

 

[HRK]

solution is to have Turkish model on how they tackled Syrian refugees. keep them away from cities and settle them at a location close to Iran, if god forbid things came to it. Our handling of afghani refugees was a f#cking disgrace.

Even If somehow we manage to gather financial resources for this venture, even If UN accept our request to accept certain areas inside Iran near Pak-Iran border as Safe Zones under Pakistan's supervision

Who would deal with those quarters within Pakistan who would claim it as an inhuman and religiously discriminatory act based on sectarian bias ..... ???

And potentially International propaganda against us by India, USA and other Western countries about

- Concentration Camps by Pakistan for Shia school of thought
- Or Propaganda of providing refuge and Safe Haven for the members of 'Irani Terrorist Organizations' by Pakistan

and How would we manage Law and Order in those camps and the areas around it .... ????

In this game we would be Damned if we would do something or even if we would do nothing .....

Koila ki Dallali hai ye mou tu kala lazmi ho ga ......

 

[Path-Finder]

Even If we somehow we manage to gather financial resources for this venture, even If UN accept our request to accept certain areas inside Iran near Pak-Iran border as Safe Zones under Pakistan's supervision

Who would deal with those quarters within Pakistan who would claim it as an inhuman and religiously discriminatory act based on sectarian bias ..... ???

And potentially International propaganda against us by India, USA and other Western countries about

- Concentration Camps by Pakistan for Shia school of thought
- Or Propaganda of providing refuge and Safe Haven for 'Irani Terrorist' by Pakistan

and How would we manage Law and Order in those camps and the areas around it .... ????

In this game we would be Damned if we would do something or even if we would nothing .....

Koila ki Dallali hai ye mou tu kala lazmi ho ga ......

Bro, we had afghani's who came to Pakistan in the last 20years~ when the yanks were in afghanistan! All sorts of comments were made but when they were told to take them back that when they shut up.

were europeans able to stop Syrian refugees? No, despite everything Human migration is a biblical fact. Lets suppose we seal the border and there is a humongous amount of refugees at the gate. you are right damned if we do or not. But Pakistani quom has bared the brunt with afghan refugees despite all the negatives.

faith in Allah SWT that something substantial will happen. plus I dont think that we are going to labelled as having concentration camps! I dont know how that came about bro. There a massive difference between refugees and concentration camps.

if they go for that route of housing some terrorist then take to america and host them there. you should see the fate of afghan translators who dont get any support despite being promised of relocation to america. unfortunately many have been zibba by taliban as traitors and many are living on the run as refugees!

 

[HRK]

Lets suppose we seal the border and there is a humongous amount of refugees at the gate.

As I noted earlier we do not have enough financial and manpower resources to seal the +1000 KM border in short time .... and most of the border is not just open but plain desert area we will be in no position of stopping the refugees from most of the border areas and with refugees unwanted elements would also come across, so in this case neither our economy is in this condition nor our social and political structure is as strong that it could face the challenges in those scenarios ....

plus I dont think that we are going to labelled as having concentration camps! I dont know how that came about bro.

Mark my words Indians would do this propaganda if we would create safe zones on our own .....

 

[AmschelHonestvig]

Even If somehow we manage to gather financial resources for this venture, even If UN accept our request to accept certain areas inside Iran near Pak-Iran border as Safe Zones under Pakistan's supervision

Who would deal with those quarters within Pakistan who would claim it as an inhuman and religiously discriminatory act based on sectarian bias ..... ???

And potentially International propaganda against us by India, USA and other Western countries about

- Concentration Camps by Pakistan for Shia school of thought
- Or Propaganda of providing refuge and Safe Haven for the members of 'Irani Terrorist Organizations' by Pakistan

and How would we manage Law and Order in those camps and the areas around it .... ????

In this game we would be Damned if we would do something or even if we would do nothing .....

Koila ki Dallali hai ye mou tu kala lazmi ho ga ......

Youve written in good faith but additionally your post seems really sincere to stop sectarian war.

The man whose death started this was himself a violent sectarianist
- There is a sub-cult within the cult which runs iranian Mullah, no no sleep lost there.

Dont forget he was arming all of the shiite site in Pakistan with tonnes of weapons in Prayer centres, possible sympathetic sunni ones too (dawn news at the tome of the captured weapons caches) !
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Coming to the Turkish model of North Syria - its really easy, and reuqires no more than a few strokes of the PMs Pen to be honest, and give it status what FATA region had before.

In sistan/Balochistan on iranian side - There are criminal smugglers, bandits and Sunni militia, it is already majority Sunni region, a big misnomer is that ll of Iran is Shiite - myth.

The Iranians would be really happy for the Refugee camps as it would allow them to show a normalcy to the world and that they are not isolated - it would give quiet to a place where MKO, PJAK and sunni insurgency is rife.

Pakistan can send its Ngo's and border guards Frontier Corps, along with local tribal jirga led lashkar to protect insde the sistan balochistan, to stop the risk of Militant activity - since iran does the same hot pursuits anyway..

Humanitarian assistance is laways non-discrimiatory,
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The funding comes it afterwards in terms of vaccination, education, and training programmes...etc, world food programme world health organisations, Development banks, Asean countreis, etc

The UN is a joke it is only a sign board for Useles Nobodies - its not a money lender or charity giver it simply glory seekingly claims other peoples charty as its own - they always come in last to kiss the trophy.

Theere ar over 56 moslem countries 2 or three who can at least send manpower, or token support.

USA and Saudi would fund, its obvious...as it would help their aims.

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Remember Iran alsread enters in hot pursuiot into the Pakistanian blaochistan,
so ths is a good temporary measure, whic can be turned into a long term project.

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Iran is weak at the moment so its a great time to act, plus it would make the afghanistan and other actors totall dependednt on pakistanian - and by extension us and saudi influnce...

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Pakistanian become over thinking mullah boys, they cant think clearly with chutzpah, when they do it works a treat for them...

 

[Path-Finder]

As I noted earlier we do not have enough financial and manpower resources to seal the +1000 KM border in short time .... and most of the border is not just open but plain desert area we will be in no position of stopping the refugees from most of the border areas and with refugees unwanted elements would also come across, so in this case neither our economy is in this condition nor our social and political structure is as strong that it could face the challenges in those scenarios ....

Mark my words Indians would do this propaganda if we would create safe zones on our own .....

Bro you are 101% but by the will of Allah SWT he have survived it all and if anything we are seeing a repeat of the same soap opera. It wasn't easy not by one bit, especially the afghani experience!

bro f#ck the indians they can do propaganda all they want and they have done it successfully. they are not going to give any refugee especially Muslim refugees space. wasnt it so that haqqani network was on a repeated loop by the bleeding yanks and now the same haqqani network is part of negotiations. lets learn one thing from all of this and that is to have faith in Allah SWT.

 

[AmschelHonestvig]

Bro you are 101% but by the will of Allah SWT he have survived it all and if anything we are seeing a repeat of the same soap opera. It wasn't easy not by one bit, especially the afghani experience!

bro f#ck the indians they can do propaganda all they want and they have done it successfully. they are not going to give any refugee especially Muslim refugees space. wasnt it so that haqqani network was on a repeated loop by the bleeding yanks and now the same haqqani network is part of negotiations. lets learn one thing from all of this and that is to have faith in Allah SWT.

Make a simple plan , picture and send in civilian humantarian people to set up camp on the opposite side, with medicines and food and red crescnet or green crecssent tags... and slowly move in securty personnel.

The Iranian cannot have any good solid grouds to object - otherwise you guys can do strong propoganda against them - via US media.

for Iran it also makes good sens at they can focus onj wetern borders and have pakistanian plug its baloch underbelly - this would be a necessary move for the pakistanians.... otherwise look at turkey - you will put double cost and militant activity inside your own cities.....

Iran moved into Iraq under the same methis so pot calling kettle here want wash...

plus im sure a few nudges to the PJAK and MKO would get the rianian pre-occupied with defending qom and teheran and willing subcontract you balochistan sistan..

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you need to make bold moves otherwise you will become same low speed mullah mentality like iran

iran has screws the entire middle east so there propaganda is futile.... the US will put Indian Media on notice proper... idf it s Trump he will screw over their fake news like childs play...

 

[Path-Finder]

Make a simple plan , picture and send in civilian humantarian people to set up camp on the opposite side, with medicines and food and red crescnet or green crecssent tags... and slowly move in securty personnel.

The Iranian cannot have any good solid grouds to object - otherwise you guys can do strong propoganda against them - via US media.

for Iran it also makes good sens at they can focus onj wetern borders and have pakistanian plug its baloch underbelly - this would be a necessary move for the pakistanians.... otherwise look at turkey - you will put double cost and militant activity inside your own cities.....

Iran moved into Iraq under the same methis so pot calling kettle here want wash...

plus im sure a few nudges to the PJAK and MKO would get the rianian pre-occupied with defending qom and teheran and willing subcontract you balochistan sistan..

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you need to make bold moves otherwise you will become same low speed mullah mentality like iran

iran has screws the entire middle east so there propaganda is futile.... the US will put Indian Media on notice proper... idf it s Trump he will screw over their fake news like childs play...

hopefully the situation will not get to that level but it looks as though the yanks are hellbent on it.

 

[flameboard]

I don't know how much truth is in this report.

We need to stay neutral and close that border.

Don't want spillover effect when we have a potential war to face on Eastern side.

BTW this is not our first rodeo.

We were involved in war against Soviets in AFG while iran-iraq war was happening for nearly the whole decade and we were eyeballing Indians after brasstacks during same time.

We did not have even nukes then.

So we will tough this out as well.

Staying neutral means maintaining stats quo.

 

[AmschelHonestvig]

hopefully the situation will not get to that level but it looks as though the yanks are hellbent on it.

It is still possible to move in now - which is the ideal moment - with limited presence... regardless of US intentions

The decision should be mae on capacity of both US and Iran and they are both capable to carry out their threats and long dorect/proxy wars...

I would move into sistan baliochistan now and start humanitarian work anyway in anticipation of the situation worsening ... there is enough levles of poverty there to start now... and they have tribals links to pak balochistan so it only makes sense othersiw you will be left with PTM and TTP style dilemma...

must be pro-active neghbourhood policy...

It is still possible to move in now - which is the ideal moment - with limited presence... regardless of US intentions

The decision should be mae on capacity of both US and Iran and they are both capable to carry out their threats and long dorect/proxy wars...

I would move into sistan baliochistan now and start humanitarian work anyway in anticipation of the situation worsening ... there is enough levles of poverty there to start now... and they have tribals links to pak balochistan so it only makes sense othersiw you will be left with PTM and TTP style dilemma...

must be pro-active neghbourhood policy...

Iran has swolled up land of its neighbours so it knows in an all out war it would be isolated but if it trades off now small chunks like this it can insulate itself...

win -win we'd call it..

It is still possible to move in now - which is the ideal moment - with limited presence... regardless of US intentions

The decision should be mae on capacity of both US and Iran and they are both capable to carry out their threats and long dorect/proxy wars...

I would move into sistan baliochistan now and start humanitarian work anyway in anticipation of the situation worsening ... there is enough levles of poverty there to start now... and they have tribals links to pak balochistan so it only makes sense othersiw you will be left with PTM and TTP style dilemma...

must be pro-active neghbourhood policy...



Iran has swolled up land of its neighbours so it knows in an all out war it would be isolated but if it trades off now small chunks like this it can insulate itself...

win -win we'd call it..

Could be a place to relocate Afghan refugees postentially too and give the ones you can vet and verfiy clean into citizenship, 100 years ago Iran was in similar weak position...

 

[khail007]

Time and again, USA nominated us as 'terrorists heaven' and always when some USA officials visits India, in diplomatic joint statements, the always stress Pakistan for not to allow the use of Pakistani soils to support terrorists in regions - so we have to stick to this principle while dealing with USA.
NO USE OF PAKISTANI SOIL FOR TERRORIST ACTIVITIES IN THE REGION.
This should be conveyed to USA assertively.

 

[That Guy]

They were against the building of Pakistan's fencing on afghan(otherwise how would terrorists infiltrate Pakistan) border BUT they want the closure of this border!!

Hypocrisy much!

Correction, it was the Afghan government that was against it. The US actually was positive in the beginning, but backed out due to pressure from Hamid Karzai, and various pro-US Afghan militia commanders.

On topic: I highly doubt that Pakistan is gonna close the border, unless war breaks out. If war breakout, Pakistan won't have much of a choice, but before then (if at all) Pakistan doesn't have to (nor is there any incentive to) play ball with the United States.

Just my two cents though.

My only concern is that Canada may end up getting dragged into this, which is something I don't want happening.

 

[Yaseen1]

i think u.s will try to halt cpec and want influence in iran for this like they have done in afghanistan,this war with iran has much wider scope than killing of iranian general,for Pakistan providing support to u.s like after 911 will be very dangerous and will increase terrorism in Pakistan,u.s will abandon Pakistan alone after their plans are fulfilled in iran just like they did multiple times in past