U.S.: India prepared for strike on Pakistan

[chanakya123]

hmm..lots of heated discussion and slangs ...lets come back to topic.

India CAN'T be soo stupid to strike pakistan... it will be a loss - loss play for us.

Instead we ( India ) should take the following steps:

1. Identify the major export items of Pakistan (like Basmati rice, carpets, etc) and provide zero export tax or even subsidise them for export from India. Hurt Pakistan on the export front.

2. Identify the major countries providing arms to Pakistan and arm twist them. Tell Brazil and Germany (currently planning to supply massive defense items to Pakistan) that it will impact their ability to invest in India. Tell Germany that retail license to Metro will be off and other existing projects will be in jeopardy.

3. Incidentally, after the arrival of Coke and Pepsi in China, the human rights violations of China are not talked about much by US government organs. Think it is a coincidence? Unless we use our markets to arm-twist arms exporters to Pakistan, we will not achieve our objectives.

4. Tell American companies that for every 5% increase in FDI limit for them, their government needs to reduce equipping Pakistan by $5 billion. That is real politics, not whining. Let us remember that funds are in desperate search of emerging markets and not the other way about. Let us also remember that international economics is politics by another name.

5. Create assets to print/distribute their currency widely inside their country. To some extent, Telgi types can be used to outsource this activity. Or just drop their notes in remote areas.

6. Pressurise IMF to add additional conditionality to the loans given to them or at least do not vote for their loans.

7. Create assets within Pakistan to destabilise Karachi stock market - it is already in a shambles.

8. Cricket and Bollywood are the opium of the Indian middle classes. Both have been adequately manipulated/ controlled by the D-company since the eighties. Chase the D-company money in cricket/ Bollywood and punish by burning D-assets in India instead of trying to have them auctioned by the IT department when nobody comes to bid for it.

9. Provide for capital punishment to those who fund terror and help in that. We have the division in the finance ministry to monitor money laundering, etc. It is important that terror financing is taken seriously and fully integrated into money laundering monitoring systems and this division is provided with much larger budget and human resources. And it should coordinate with RAW.

10. Encourage and allow scientists/ academicians/ elites of Pakistan to opt for Indian passport and widely publicise that fact since it will hurt their self-respect and dignity. There will be a long queue to get Indian passports — many will jump to get our passport — since they will not be stopped at international airports. It is rumoured that Adnan Sami wants one. Do not give passports to all — make it a prized possession. Let it hurt the army- and ISI-controlled country. This one step will destroy their identity and self-confidence.

11. Discourage companies from India from investing in Pakistan, particularly IT companies, till Pakistan stops exporting its own IT (international terrorism).

12. The target is the terror central, and if there are elements helping them here then they also should be punished — irrespective of religious labels. If Pakistan is dismantled and the idea of Pakistan is gone, many of our domestic issues will also be sorted out.


Let me see how Pakistan will react

 

[blain2]

Ps : As regards war you will suprised at my credentials and knowledge but OSA prevents me from talking to much. I assure you the PAF and PN will grounded in one weeks time if the US and Russia put their weight behind India (diplomatically). China will be neutral. All 3 will get their pound of flesh from India but the looser will be the POOR PEOPLE OF PAKISTAN AND INDIA.

I know a thing or two and I will tell you that things are not as bad as you are suggesting here. If there are air strikes against Pakistan, then those who make the calls in the right places will not be thinking about getting grounded in a week. We have a few tricks up our sleeves too. Have been bitten quite a few times.

I am all for a neutral entity being given evidence of the involvement of the LeT and then the GoP moving against them, however prior to that or by way of force, India is not getting what it wants.

All I have to say is that if there is continuous pushing and prodding, then Pakistan will respond and it won't be pretty. Let me also say that we will respond with what we have and we know that its going to hurt the other side pretty badly when we do. Americans and others may not realize the magnitude of the response but it will be an eye-opener and most who are tacitly allowing India to become more belligerent will regret this escalation.

 

[maximus]

Dear Dabong,

I have no doubt that Pakistan can defend itself or that Pakistan is only bad.

Our PM flying there is a testament to that.

The world says LET and JUD are bad this includes the naysayers of Iraq.

Asif Zardari stands and smiles with Brown when the journalist asked him questions.

26 innocent foreigners died in sensless mayhem and its not related to Kashmir or Palestine.

Let a neutral body decide and I will be happy.

Regards

Ps : As regards war you will suprised at my credentials and knowledge but OSA prevents me from talking to much. I assure you the PAF and PN will grounded in one weeks time if the US and Russia put their weight behind India (diplomatically). China will be neutral. All 3 will get their pound of flesh from India but the looser will be the POOR PEOPLE OF PAKISTAN AND INDIA.

The guy is speaking as if he has some authority and can look into the future. He keeps on using the same terminology without any substance and reliability. I wouldn't take him too seriously. Just another self-proclaimed Nostradamus giving lousy prophecies and glorifying his credentials. China and Russia wouldn't even side with the US over my dead body. China is Pakistan's best ally and arming it to the teeth whilst Russia is the opposite pole of the US. Who the hell is this guy fooling? You have lost the plot dude. Come back to planet earth and stop reading too much science fiction.

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

Let me see how Pakistan will react

You won't be able to see how Pakistan reacts since the above suggestions on the military and economic side, bar Indian restrictions on bilateral trade, which is skewed in favor of India anyway (especially if you count indirect Indian exports to Pakistan through the Middle East) and won't affect Pakistan much at all, are unlikely.

Getting the West to 'sanction' Pakistan will not work provided the GoP continues to do what it has been. In addition, sanctions have not really shown themselves to very effective in most cases, and will likely drive opinion further against the West and India and therefore add to the problems of extremism.

The mood in the West right now is one of broader economic and social engagement with Pakistan, provided Pakistan continue to crackdown on militant groups as it has been.

The most painful measures India could probably get away with at this point are trying to lobby against military sales to Pakistan. Brazil seems out of the question at this point, since the contract has been signed and government approval given.

The F-16's are likely not going to be halted, given that many in the current military leadership (Adm. Mullen for example) and some in the incoming Obama administration, are aware of the huge impact of the last F-16 cancellations and Pressler Amendment on Pakistani perceptions of the US, on the civilian side, and also more importantly on the officers in the military.

The strongest opportunity for lobbying against military sales to Pakistan would seem to be Germany and the U-214 deal. There is of course also the global economic crises though, and most countries may not want to cancel billion dollar deals when everyone wants to stimulate their economy. So a successful Indian lobbying effort on that count is far from certain.

Of course all of the above is if the GoP continues to cooperate with the international community the way it has been, and we continue to have a democratic government.

 

[asaad-ul-islam]

some arm-chair generals are dreaming if they think india will wipe out our forces in one week. Pakistan is not even half as bad as what you guys read on paper. for those of you who can read between the lines, undertand this. there is a reason why Pakistan joined the WoT.

 

[Prodigy17]

hmm..lots of heated discussion and slangs ...lets come back to topic.

India CAN'T be soo stupid to strike pakistan... it will be a loss - loss play for us.

Instead we ( India ) should take the following steps:

1. Identify the major export items of Pakistan (like Basmati rice, carpets, etc) and provide zero export tax or even subsidise them for export from India. Hurt Pakistan on the export front.

2. Identify the major countries providing arms to Pakistan and arm twist them. Tell Brazil and Germany (currently planning to supply massive defense items to Pakistan) that it will impact their ability to invest in India. Tell Germany that retail license to Metro will be off and other existing projects will be in jeopardy.

3. Incidentally, after the arrival of Coke and Pepsi in China, the human rights violations of China are not talked about much by US government organs. Think it is a coincidence? Unless we use our markets to arm-twist arms exporters to Pakistan, we will not achieve our objectives.

4. Tell American companies that for every 5% increase in FDI limit for them, their government needs to reduce equipping Pakistan by $5 billion. That is real politics, not whining. Let us remember that funds are in desperate search of emerging markets and not the other way about. Let us also remember that international economics is politics by another name.

5. Create assets to print/distribute their currency widely inside their country. To some extent, Telgi types can be used to outsource this activity. Or just drop their notes in remote areas.

6. Pressurise IMF to add additional conditionality to the loans given to them or at least do not vote for their loans.

7. Create assets within Pakistan to destabilise Karachi stock market - it is already in a shambles.

8. Cricket and Bollywood are the opium of the Indian middle classes. Both have been adequately manipulated/ controlled by the D-company since the eighties. Chase the D-company money in cricket/ Bollywood and punish by burning D-assets in India instead of trying to have them auctioned by the IT department when nobody comes to bid for it.

9. Provide for capital punishment to those who fund terror and help in that. We have the division in the finance ministry to monitor money laundering, etc. It is important that terror financing is taken seriously and fully integrated into money laundering monitoring systems and this division is provided with much larger budget and human resources. And it should coordinate with RAW.

10. Encourage and allow scientists/ academicians/ elites of Pakistan to opt for Indian passport and widely publicise that fact since it will hurt their self-respect and dignity. There will be a long queue to get Indian passports — many will jump to get our passport — since they will not be stopped at international airports. It is rumoured that Adnan Sami wants one. Do not give passports to all — make it a prized possession. Let it hurt the army- and ISI-controlled country. This one step will destroy their identity and self-confidence.

11. Discourage companies from India from investing in Pakistan, particularly IT companies, till Pakistan stops exporting its own IT (international terrorism).

12. The target is the terror central, and if there are elements helping them here then they also should be punished — irrespective of religious labels. If Pakistan is dismantled and the idea of Pakistan is gone, many of our domestic issues will also be sorted out.


Let me see how Pakistan will react

Wake up stupid, again you have wet your pants.....slap....slap. Timid boy, "Dad, i wont do it again"..... so go change your pants sonny

 

[blain2]

hmm..lots of heated discussion and slangs ...lets come back to topic.

India CAN'T be soo stupid to strike pakistan... it will be a loss - loss play for us.

Instead we ( India ) should take the following steps:

1. Identify the major export items of Pakistan (like Basmati rice, carpets, etc) and provide zero export tax or even subsidise them for export from India. Hurt Pakistan on the export front.

2. Identify the major countries providing arms to Pakistan and arm twist them. Tell Brazil and Germany (currently planning to supply massive defense items to Pakistan) that it will impact their ability to invest in India. Tell Germany that retail license to Metro will be off and other existing projects will be in jeopardy.

3. Incidentally, after the arrival of Coke and Pepsi in China, the human rights violations of China are not talked about much by US government organs. Think it is a coincidence? Unless we use our markets to arm-twist arms exporters to Pakistan, we will not achieve our objectives.

4. Tell American companies that for every 5% increase in FDI limit for them, their government needs to reduce equipping Pakistan by $5 billion. That is real politics, not whining. Let us remember that funds are in desperate search of emerging markets and not the other way about. Let us also remember that international economics is politics by another name.

5. Create assets to print/distribute their currency widely inside their country. To some extent, Telgi types can be used to outsource this activity. Or just drop their notes in remote areas.

6. Pressurise IMF to add additional conditionality to the loans given to them or at least do not vote for their loans.

7. Create assets within Pakistan to destabilise Karachi stock market - it is already in a shambles.

8. Cricket and Bollywood are the opium of the Indian middle classes. Both have been adequately manipulated/ controlled by the D-company since the eighties. Chase the D-company money in cricket/ Bollywood and punish by burning D-assets in India instead of trying to have them auctioned by the IT department when nobody comes to bid for it.

9. Provide for capital punishment to those who fund terror and help in that. We have the division in the finance ministry to monitor money laundering, etc. It is important that terror financing is taken seriously and fully integrated into money laundering monitoring systems and this division is provided with much larger budget and human resources. And it should coordinate with RAW.

10. Encourage and allow scientists/ academicians/ elites of Pakistan to opt for Indian passport and widely publicise that fact since it will hurt their self-respect and dignity. There will be a long queue to get Indian passports — many will jump to get our passport — since they will not be stopped at international airports. It is rumoured that Adnan Sami wants one. Do not give passports to all — make it a prized possession. Let it hurt the army- and ISI-controlled country. This one step will destroy their identity and self-confidence.

11. Discourage companies from India from investing in Pakistan, particularly IT companies, till Pakistan stops exporting its own IT (international terrorism).

12. The target is the terror central, and if there are elements helping them here then they also should be punished — irrespective of religious labels. If Pakistan is dismantled and the idea of Pakistan is gone, many of our domestic issues will also be sorted out.


Let me see how Pakistan will react

Yep do everything but look inward. Great approach. I am sure what you propose will be lapped up by all including the Americans who will simply put aside all of their strategic interests for a paltry $5 billion/deal of investment into India.

Good effort though putting the list together. Definitely gives one some ideas as to what the thought process is on the Indian side.

 

[chanakya123]

I know a thing or two and I will tell you that things are not as bad as you are suggesting here. If there are air strikes against Pakistan, then those who make the calls in the right places will not be thinking about getting grounded in a week. We have a few tricks up our sleeves too. Have been bitten quite a few times.

I am all for a neutral entity being given evidence of the involvement of the LeT and then the GoP moving against them, however prior to that or by way of force, India is not getting what it wants.

Very true...and let me tell you that people of India understands that the war is not the solution and they understand this also that WITH A RUINED PAKISTAN, INDIA CAN NEVER WIN !!! Situation is complex. your government is hesitating to act against radicals because GoP is afraid of another coup like situation may happen.

and as far as military strength goes...its no brainer.

the only thing is to be careful that India doesn't make any wrong step here...everything is going fine..and hope the good guys win over the bad guys.

 

[BOMB(AY)_PISSINDIA]

Why am I deleted all the time?

My cosuin is a Fighter Pilot in PAF Sargodha and you are deleting someone patriotic only for the purpose of one Indian?

 

[blain2]

Very true...and let me tell you that people of India understands that the war is not the solution and they understand this also that WITH A RUINED PAKISTAN, INDIA CAN NEVER WIN !!! Situation is complex. your government is hesitating to act against radicals because GoP is afraid of another coup like situation may happen.

and as far as military strength goes...its no brainer.

the only thing is to be careful that India doesn't make any wrong step here...everything is going fine..and hope the good guys win over the bad guys.

So lets build on the caution. GoP is moving against some of the groups. Its only logical that proof is provided in the courts so they can be banned and put out of business. As bad as LeT may sound to people, they have done a lot of good work rehabilitating earthquake victims. That has won them supporters. So lets get the proof out to a neutral source which can share it with Pakistan. If the pressure is already on Pakistan then why not work the international channels?

Any attempt, even to threaten Pakistan militarily will harden the Pakistani resolve which is already happening to some extent thanks to the recent air violations. This is not conducive to the resolution of this issue.

 

[BOMB(AY)_PISSINDIA]

Shall I tell u something?

Indian people want war only with Pakistan, but those will be nuked anyway

 

[blain2]

Why am I deleted all the time?

My cosuin is a Fighter Pilot in PAF Sargodha and you are deleting someone patriotic only for the purpose of one gay Krishnafucker?

You will get banned for cursing. Just post factually without flaming the other side. Every time you do that, some Indian will curse you back. I am not sure if I want to go through deleting so many posts. Like you, I am also a Pakistani and there are many others here. They all post in a civil manner. Why can't you do the same? We have ex-PAF people on this board and they certainly don't use this kind of inflammatory language.

 

[chanakya123]

So lets build on the caution. GoP is moving against some of the groups. Its only logical that proof is provided in the courts so they can be banned and put out of business. As bad as LeT may sound to people, they have done a lot of good work rehabilitating earthquake victims. That has won them supporters. So lets get the proof out to a neutral source which can share it with Pakistan. If the pressure is already on Pakistan then why not work the international channels?

Any attempt, even to threaten Pakistan militarily will harden the Pakistani resolve which is already happening to some extent thanks to the recent air violations. This is not conducive to the resolution of this issue.

You can not justify the group's terrorist activities just because they did some good work during emergencies. I dont understand this logic of the people of pakistan.
Let me ask you one question : do you guys put religion first or nation?

If tomo. something like this goes on in India ....call it RSS tries to create something like LeT in india, the people of india will not think twice to **** them off.
Whole world gets the proof that the JuD and LeT are just the two parts of a coin..why do you wait for us to provide the proof. The activity is going on @ ur soil ..is it difficult enough for GoP to get the proof and act fast before it becomes the cancer?

I guess its the time for people of pakistan to stand up and speak and stand by their Democratic Government before it gets too late.

 

[BOMB(AY)_PISSINDIA]

I hate Indians, because I know so many Indians who hate Pakistan. And I won't let them live a minute. I will chase them all the time until they run back to India.

Have you heard of a brawl in Germany where 6 Indian citizens where beaten up so they had to go to hospital? Well, I was one of them who beat up an Indian and I'm proud

Here is one of them I beat only him up, total 19 persons were involved:

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[chanakya123]

Why am I deleted all the time?

My cosuin is a Fighter Pilot in PAF Sargodha and you are deleting someone patriotic only for the purpose of one Indian?

Buddy with all respect...be civilized first then be pakistani..that way u will earn respect from everyone.