U.S. and Saudi energy ministers to meet in Washington Monday

[Kastor]

They're already panicking...idiots. I called it months ago saying that by putting back sanctions on Iran would also hurt the American people. Now they'll pay billion extra to the Saudis and the rest of the corrupt monkeys in the GCC for their gas. Iran needs to be keep the closure of the Strait of Hormuz on the table, and this threat better be real. They don't need to close it down completely to have oil jump to 150, they just need to disrupt it enough so the 24/7 news outlets start coverage. The paranoia will feed itself. Trump's weakness is the economy....if the economy starts to falter, or even just the stock market he will be toast.

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/07/13/risks-rising-that-oil-prices-will-cause-next-recession.html

 

[T-72B]

They're already panicking...idiots. I called it months ago saying that by putting back sanctions on Iran would also hurt the American people. Now they'll pay billion extra to the Saudis and the rest of the corrupt monkeys in the GCC for their gas. Iran needs to be keep the closure of the Strait of Hormuz on the table, and this threat better be real. They don't need to close it down completely to have oil jump to 150, they just need to disrupt it enough so the 24/7 news outlets start coverage. The paranoia will feed itself. Trump's weakness is the economy....if the economy starts to falter, or even just the stock market he will be toast.

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/07/13/risks-rising-that-oil-prices-will-cause-next-recession.html

Knew it, sanctions put by US of A and it's allies especially Israhell backfiring them

 

[Sineva]

They're already panicking...idiots. I called it months ago saying that by putting back sanctions on Iran would also hurt the American people. Now they'll pay billion extra to the Saudis and the rest of the corrupt monkeys in the GCC for their gas. Iran needs to be keep the closure of the Strait of Hormuz on the table, and this threat better be real. They don't need to close it down completely to have oil jump to 150, they just need to disrupt it enough so the 24/7 news outlets start coverage. The paranoia will feed itself. Trump's weakness is the economy....if the economy starts to falter, or even just the stock market he will be toast.

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/07/13/risks-rising-that-oil-prices-will-cause-next-recession.html

Agreed,iran needs to show the west that it too has economic weapons at its disposal.......ones that it can and will use,if only to show the west that the pain will go both ways.

 

[mohsen]

I see no reason to close the strait of hurmoz, but a tax on passing ships of U.S and certain other nationalities, this is a proper response to U.S economic war against us and international laws backs us, this way if Americans want to turn it into a war, the whole transition will be compromised and they will be the bad guys.

Though we all know Rouhani doesn't even dare to abandon a dead deal, let alone challenging U.S.

 

[Arminkh]

They're already panicking...idiots. I called it months ago saying that by putting back sanctions on Iran would also hurt the American people. Now they'll pay billion extra to the Saudis and the rest of the corrupt monkeys in the GCC for their gas. Iran needs to be keep the closure of the Strait of Hormuz on the table, and this threat better be real. They don't need to close it down completely to have oil jump to 150, they just need to disrupt it enough so the 24/7 news outlets start coverage. The paranoia will feed itself. Trump's weakness is the economy....if the economy starts to falter, or even just the stock market he will be toast.

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/07/13/risks-rising-that-oil-prices-will-cause-next-recession.html

The problem they are facing is that KSA does not have any spare capacity anymore to fill in for Iran's share. The price of oil will go up this time.

 

[Kastor]

I see no reason to close the strait of hurmoz, but a tax on passing ships of U.S and certain other nationalities, this is a proper response to U.S economic war against us and international laws backs us, this way if Americans want to turn it into a war, the whole transition will be compromised and they will be the bad guys.

Though we all know Rouhani doesn't even dare to abandon a dead deal, let alone challenging U.S.

And god forbid if you miss a chance to slam reformers or the majority elected president of Iran......

 

[Oldman1]

I see no reason to close the strait of hurmoz, but a tax on passing ships of U.S and certain other nationalities, this is a proper response to U.S economic war against us and international laws backs us, this way if Americans want to turn it into a war, the whole transition will be compromised and they will be the bad guys.

Though we all know Rouhani doesn't even dare to abandon a dead deal, let alone challenging U.S.

Closing the Hormuz means going to war with multiple countries besides the U.S. Can you really deal with that? And China and Russia won't help you on that.

 

[mohsen]

And god forbid if you miss a chance to slam reformers or the majority elected president of Iran......

It's not my fault that expressing the facts is equal to slaming of Reformists and their elected candidate.

 

[Kastor]

It's not my fault that expressing the facts is equal to slaming of Reformists and their elected candidate.

I'm sure you're just as forthcoming with the all the hardliners and IRGC corruptions and missteps in our country.

 

[mohsen]

Closing the Hormuz means going to war with multiple countries besides the U.S. Can you really deal with that? And China and Russia won't help you on that.

As I said I'm against closing it.
But:
Our allies (whom you call proxies), will engage you in an endless (Vietnam-like) war, even before you get the chance to reach our borders, and our missile forces will take care of the rest.
If you thought of anything less, then you have no information about middle east geopolitics.

Everyone is sick of U.S bullyings,
You will be surprised to see how Russia and China (and even European to some extent) are motivated to indirectly help Iran in such a war.

I'm sure you're just as forthcoming with the all the hardliners and IRGC corruptions and missteps in our country.

If Ahmadinejad was our president and someone would ask me whether Iran will close the strait or not, I would reply I don't know, but in response to same question about Reformists and Rouhani, I will immediately reply NO.
It has nothing to do with me being American or Iranian, pro-reformist or pro-conservative, it's just the fact about reformists, their actions is always predictable.

 

[Hack-Hook]

If Ahmadinejad was our president and someone would ask me whether Iran will close the strait or not, I would reply I don't know, but in response to same question about Reformists and Rouhani, I will immediately reply NO.
It has nothing to do with me being American or Iranian, pro-reformist or pro-conservative, it's just the fact about reformists, their actions is always predictable.

Funny , I didn't knew such strategic decision fall with president to decide . usually you think its up to Supreme National Security Council or Supreme Leader to make such decision.

by the way as I stated many times Mr. Rouhani by no measure can be considered as reformist , there is no conservative group that he is not member of . you can look at his speech from the start of revolution till today and non is a reformist speech.

 

[mohsen]

Funny , I didn't knew such strategic decision fall with president to decide . usually you think its up to Supreme National Security Council or Supreme Leader to make such decision.

by the way as I stated many times Mr. Rouhani by no measure can be considered as reformist , there is no conservative group that he is not member of . you can look at his speech from the start of revolution till today and non is a reformist speech.

Rouhani and his team are the majority in the security council, also as the head of government and national security, Rouhani is the only one who can propose a political decision like closure of the strait, after proposal, Military commanders have a vote (which again are in minority).

Rouhani is a Reformist by all means, he was their sole candidate, follows their agenda, chooses them as ministers, in fact chooses them in all government positions down to local authorities, has the same hostility against Principalists, has the same Secular (American) view about Islam. has the same fanatic speeches as Reformists, etc.

One of the benefits (perhaps the only one) of Rouhani's presidency and JCPOA, was the exposure of hypocrites who were hiding themselves among the conservatives.
best example is Ali Larijani who claims to be conservative but due to his blindly services to Reformist government of Rouhani was going to be in the list of Reformist candidates as well, and the reason it didn't happen was the scale of scandal both for Larijani and Reformists.

 

[Hack-Hook]

Rouhani and his team are the majority in the security council, also as the head of government and national security, Rouhani is the only one who can propose a political decision like closure of the strait, after proposal, Military commanders have a vote (which again are in minority).

Rouhani is a Reformist by all means, he was their sole candidate, follows their agenda, chooses them as ministers, in fact chooses them in all government positions down to local authorities, has the same hostility against Principalists, has the same Secular (American) view about Islam. has the same fanatic speeches as Reformists, etc.

One of the benefits (perhaps the only one) of Rouhani's presidency and JCPOA, was the exposure of hypocrites who were hiding themselves among the conservatives.
best example is Ali Larijani who claims to be conservative but due to his blindly services to Reformist government of Rouhani was going to be in the list of Reformist candidates as well, and the reason it didn't happen was the scale of scandal both for Larijani and Reformists.

he was not their candidate they choose him over someone else let just say Tataloo top friend
and no its supreme leader who choose councils member
1 - President (Popular Election)
2-Speaker of Parliament (Election)
3-Chief Justice (Supreme Leader)
4-Supreme Leader Representatives (Supreme Leader)
5-Supreme Leader Representatives (Supreme Leader)
6-Chief of the General Staff (Supreme Leader)
7-Chief of the Army (Supreme Leader)
8-Chief of the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps (Supreme Leader)
9-Minister of Intelligence (selected by president must be approved by Supreme Leader)
10-Minister of Foreign Affairs (selected by president must be approved by Supreme Leader)
11-Minister of the Interior (President)
12-Head of Management and Planning Organization (President)
13-Minister related with the Subject (Defense Minister on this matter)(selected by president must be approved by Supreme Leader)

9 are directly selected or approved by Supereme leader 4 are not Selected by Supreme leader 3 of Them are President Choice


show me a single reformist organization that rohani is a member of and then if you are impartial post the conservative organization that he is a member of

 

[mohsen]

he was not their candidate they choose him over someone else let just say Tataloo top friend
and no its supreme leader who choose councils member
1 - President (Popular Election)
2-Speaker of Parliament (Election)
3-Chief Justice (Supreme Leader)
4-Supreme Leader Representatives (Supreme Leader)
5-Supreme Leader Representatives (Supreme Leader)
6-Chief of the General Staff (Supreme Leader)
7-Chief of the Army (Supreme Leader)
8-Chief of the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps (Supreme Leader)
9-Minister of Intelligence (selected by president must be approved by Supreme Leader)
10-Minister of Foreign Affairs (selected by president must be approved by Supreme Leader)
11-Minister of the Interior (President)
12-Head of Management and Planning Organization (President)
13-Minister related with the Subject (Defense Minister on this matter)(selected by president must be approved by Supreme Leader)

9 are directly selected or approved by Supereme leader 4 are not Selected by Supreme leader 3 of Them are President Choice


show me a single reformist organization that rohani is a member of and then if you are impartial post the conservative organization that he is a member of

Yes, when we have a reformist president, supreme leader will approve his reformist proposals, it's not a dictatorship.


Reformists:
1.President
2.Speaker of Parliament
3.Minister of Intelligence
4.Minister of Foreign Affairs
5.Minister of the Interior
6.Head of Management and Planning Organization
X.Ministers related with the Subject (can be several ministers in a subject which engages all the country, like strait of hormuz)


Principalists:
1.Chief Justice
2.Supreme Leader Representatives
3.Supreme Leader Representatives
4.Chief of the General Staff
5.Chief of the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps
6.Chief of the Army

 

[Hack-Hook]

Yes, when we have a reformist president, supreme leader will approve his reformist proposals, it's not a dictatorship.

the problem is that no one ever gonna accept head of parliament as a reformist . more importantly the president never was member of a reformist group ,and you can't mention a single major principalist movement that he was/is not part of it.

by the way let see who is Mahmood Alavi (Minister of Intelligence) who you consider reformist

He is the former head of the political and ideological body of the Iranian Army to which he was appointed by the Supreme Leader Ali Khamenei.[11] Alavi served in the post from 2000 to August 2009.[8][10] In addition, Alavi was Khamenei's special representative in the army until August 2009.[10] He also assumed the post of deputy defense minister.

in 2012 Majlis election he was candidated by Resistance Front of Islamic Iran from Tehran let not kid orselves , the group is screaming Mohsen Rezaee , do you consider him a reformist?
Rohani in 2013 selected him from available candidate to make a balance between principalist and reformist in cabinet
an interesting article

let see who Abdolreza Rahmani Fazli (Interior minister) is
he was deputy chairman of Iranian National TV and Radio , and selected for the council in 2005-2008 hewas president of the Supreme Audit Court from 2008 when looking at his political view heis a conservative associated with Larijani.
now about Larijani

Larijani was considered to maintain Motalefeh membership and views while in Hashemi Rafsanjani cabinet (1992–1994).[25] Iranian scholar Mehdi Moslem in his 2002 book named Factional Politics in Post-Khomeini Iran, suggests that Larijani had been a member of Motalefeh and part of the ‘traditional right’.[26] Payam Mohseni, fellow at the Belfer Center for Science and International Affairs, classifies Larijani as a lead figure in the ‘theocratic right’ camp, whose other prominent are Mahmoud Hashemi Shahroudi and Mohammad Reza Mahdavi Kani.[27]

Larijani was one of the leaders of the Principlists Pervasive Coalition in 2008 parliamentary elections,[28] and a United Front of Principlists leader.[29] During Iranian 2016 parliamentary election Larijani was the leader of the Followers of Wilayat faction,[30]