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Iran, China at odds in disputed islands row following Xi visit to Saudi Arabia

An Iranian newspaper just did that because of the Xi thing

An Iranian newspaper on Saturday said that Taiwan has a “legal right” to independence, in an apparent reaction to China siding with the United Arab Emirates (UAE) in a diplomatic row over three islands in the Strait of Hormuz that Iran also claims.

The Arman Daily’s front page story, titled “Taiwan Independence: A Legal Right,” said Beijing would have to accept Taiwan’s independence despite attempts to suppress it by force.

Not an official statement from Iran authority

American entrepreneur Elon musk said Ukrine should recognize Crimea as Russian territory,and Taiwan should accept HK style reunification with China,does this represent US official stance?

To officially recognize one's sovereignty,you need to establish diplomatic relations with the country. Do you think Taiwan would establish diplomatic relations with Iran?Not a chance. It is true that Taiwan strives for international recognition,and establish diplomatic relations with as much countries as possible,but countries like Iran or North Korea are off the list.
 
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We told them in 1979 that they are under the bus and that hasn't changed. However it now looks like China is finding the Arabs to be a better friend to have than the Persians...and are actively throwing them under the bus...as mentioned before even the US isn't disputing their land rights.

The USA regime is actively supporting every terrorist, "ethno"-nationalist grouplet trying to separate land from Iran. So it's much worse in this regard than China, since unlike China it is actively working towards that end whereas China confined themselves to a statement.

Anyone saying China did worse than the USA in terms of threatening Iran's territorial integrity, has either been exposed to western-funded Persian language propaganda media for too long, or spoke emotively whilst forgetting Washington's sinister track record.

An Iranian newspaper just did that because of the Xi thing

An Iranian newspaper on Saturday said that Taiwan has a “legal right” to independence, in an apparent reaction to China siding with the United Arab Emirates (UAE) in a diplomatic row over three islands in the Strait of Hormuz that Iran also claims.

The Arman Daily’s front page story, titled “Taiwan Independence: A Legal Right,” said Beijing would have to accept Taiwan’s independence despite attempts to suppress it by force.

Arman Daily is a reformist, western-absolving paper, belonging to the west's fifth column in Iran. It's therefore not representative of the current administration of Iran at all, nor of the revolutionary core of the Islamic Republic which includes the Leadership. On that very frontpage, the newspaper is explicitly taking aim at Iran's President Raisi, in what is actually its main bold headline.

Some are yet to learn that Iran is not only a democracy, but more pluralistic in character than western so-called democracies. There is no single governing party in Iran, two camps whose foreign policy outlook is as opposed as it could get, alternate in charge of the administration and parliament. One of them, the liberal camp composed of reformist and moderate parties, intends to put an end to the revolution and reinstate the geopolitical conditions that prevailed under the ousted, western vassal regime of the shah. They are efficiently held in check by the principlist / revolutionary faction though.

If it wasn't for the Islamic Republic, Iran would fully align on Washington against Beijing.



This being said, the joint statement between China and PGCC regimes remains unacceptable from an Iranian perspective. China crossed the lines of neutrality by endorsing standard anti-Iranian diplomatic rhetoric, the same rhetoric that the USA regime is using in international bodies against Iran - it's not simply about the three Iranian islands but includes mantras such as non-interference in neighbors' affairs, so-called "proxies", nuclear proliferation, ballistic missiles etc, all of which Iran is being implicitly accused of in the joint declaration.

Whatever China's calculations are, it seems to me they're way off on this one. That the Saudi regime is and will remain a compliant USA client and will therefore refrain from assisting China in any fashion in case of an escalation of tensions between Beijing and Washington in the South China Sea, the Chinese will discover when the time comes.

In the meantime, China is conducting business with India despite territorial disputes. China is conducting business with western countries despite their hosting of Uyghur separatist organizations, and in spite of American-Chinese strategic antagonism. Should China side with Iran's enemies in regional disputes, no need to get embroiled in rhetoric about Taiwan, there are other options which never discouraged China from conducting trade and investment with a nation. However I doubt it will be coming to this.

Another point Chinese users ought to pay attention to: Saudis are conducting outspoken anti-Chinese propaganda via the London-based, Persian-language satellite broadcaster they fund, the so-called "Iran International", which currently is the most watched oppositionist television media in Iran.

Some samples for our Chinese friends to meditate. This is how a Saudi-funded anti-Iran mouthpiece is talking about China behind its back:

UN Rapporteur Who Just Visited Iran Is In Cahoots With China - Watchdog​

Friday, 05/20/2022

https://www.iranintl.com/en/202205204194

Digital Oppression - China’s Playbook For Iran​

Saturday, 02/12/2022


The day Saudi Arabia shows signs of intending to ditch the USA for China on a matter of real strategic impact, its leadership will be removed in a matter of hours. The whole regime especially its security apparatus is infiltrated by the CIA, which propped it up in the first place, just like Iran used to be under the ousted Pahlavi monarchy.

The reason Washington is tolerating this ongoing, apparent rapprochement between Ryadh and Beijing, and utterly failing to discipline its ally or should we say vassal, is simple: to allow their Saudi clients to gain some leverage with China, leverage that the USA itself is bound to lack, and have them encourage Beijing to limit its ties with Iran.
 
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The reason Washington is tolerating this ongoing, apparent rapprochement between Ryadh and Beijing, and utterly failing to discipline its ally or should we say vassal, is simple: to allow their Saudi proxies gain some leverage with China, leverage that the USA itself is bound to lack, and have them encourage China to reduce its ties with Iran.

Certainly that sounds like a reasonable postulation. Obviously the Saudi's have no love for Iran and if they think they see a path to get China to turn its back on them then I'm sure they will do whatever they can to exploit it.

But China is a two-timer so any path they think looks solid will always be shaky.
 
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China doesnt support UAES claim to the islands either, China just saying that the dispute should be solved according to UN and international law, thats consistent with Chinese principle on dealings with all disputes. Which part of the statement is unacceptable and not neutral ?
UAE never gone to the United Nations to claim the islands, shows your and China's Hypocrisy.

Looks like China will drop anyone under the bus for the money, not reliable at all ....

PS: You are talking to an "ex" pro-China
 
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UAE never gone to the United Nations to claim the islands, shows your and China's Hypocrisy.

Looks like China will drop anyone under the bus for the money, not reliable at all ....

PS: You are talking to an "ex" pro-China
Whats hypocritical about Chinas position, its consistent with Chinas long held principle that all disputes should be solved according to international laws. Still, China is not saying the islands belong to UAE, and thats neutral, period. Oh yeah, your Turkiye is much more reliable and trustworthy, one day its Turkiyes friend, the next day its Turkiyes enemy and stab others from the back, we see how Turkiyes relations with Russia, US and even Iran and others evolved in the past years. You Turks try harder to sow the discord between Iran and China. Turkiye is a much better friend to Iran than China is now, oh right.
 
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I don't want to unnecessarily provoke our Iranian friends here but for China to indirectly prefer the enormous market that is the Arab world compared to the small 85 million market that is Iran, with an economy the size/smaller than tiny 10 million big UAE (1 Arab country out of 20 + ) is not really shocking.

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Population:

Arab world: 500 million people

Iran: 85 million people.

Economy:

Arab world:

3 trillion + USD

Iran: Approximately 250-300 million USD.

Given the strategic waters that the Arabs control/border, their enormous natural resources (KSA alone has more natural resources than every country in the world minus 147 million big Russia and 335 million big USA),


population growth (Iraq alone will have a larger population than Iran by 2050, Yemen will have 2/3 of the population etc.) etc. it is a no-brainer.

As for the islands in question, from what I understand they are inhabited by Arabs as well and were administrated by the Emirate of Sharjah prior to their annexation by the Shah in 1972.

Certainly that sounds like a reasonable postulation. Obviously the Saudi's have no love for Iran and if they think they see a path to get China to turn its back on them then I'm sure they will do whatever they can to exploit it.

But China is a two-timer so any path they think looks solid will always be shaky.

What has this to do with Saudi Arabia exactly? This is a dispute between UAE and Iran. Obviously other GCC states and Arab states for that matter will support a fellow Arab country (UAE) in a diplomatic row with a country/regime that they have had disputes with for a long time.

China is not worse than the US whatsoever. At the end of the day every nation state will pursue their own interests ruthlessly. The difference is that China is not doing that while using empty slogans and trying to take the moral high-ground.

China is a 1 billion times better partner than USA. The Arabs already know that hence the Sino-Arab strategic ties developing on all fronts.

If the US were a bit clever and not run by Jews (dominated), they would have taken the side of the Arab world rather than tiny Israel as well. They would have gained so much more on every front (economic, military, influence etc.) from such a move than whatever they get from TINY Israel.

And the closest ally of the US (Western Europe) will have an increase of Arab/Muslim demography by each year as well.
 
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I don't want to unnecessarily provoke our Iranian friends here but for China to indirectly prefer the enormous market that is the Arab world compared to the small 85 million market that is Iran, with an economy the size/smaller than tiny 10 million big UAE (1 Arab country out of 20 + ) is not really shocking.

world-arab-league-countries-map.jpg


vs

iran-location-map.jpg


Population:

Arab world: 500 million people

Iran: 85 million people.

Economy:

Arab world:

3 trillion + USD

Iran: Approximately 250-300 million USD.

Given the strategic waters that the Arabs control/border, their enormous natural resources (KSA alone has more natural resources than every country in the world minus 147 million big Russia and 335 million big USA),


population growth (Iraq alone will have a larger population than Iran by 2050, Yemen will have 2/3 of the population etc.) etc. it is a no-brainer.

As for the islands in question, from what I understand they are inhabited by Arabs as well and were administrated by the Emirate of Sharjah prior to their annexation by the Shah in 1972.



What has this to do with Saudi Arabia exactly? This is a dispute between UAE and Iran. Obviously other GCC states and Arab states for that matter will support a fellow Arab country (UAE) in a diplomatic row with a country/regime that they have had disputes with for a long time.

China is not worse than the US whatsoever. At the end of the day every nation state will pursue their own interests ruthlessly. The difference is that China is not doing that while using empty slogans and trying to take the moral high-ground.

China is a 1 billion times better partner than USA. The Arabs already know that hence the Sino-Arab strategic ties developing on all fronts.

If the US were a bit clever and not run by Jews (dominated), they would have taken the side of the Arab world rather than tiny Israel as well. They would have gained so much more on every front (economic, military, influence etc.) from such a move than whatever they get from TINY Israel.

And the closest ally of the US (Western Europe) will have an increase of Arab/Muslim demography by each year as well.
But, Americans are racist in the bone.
 
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You milk the cows that give milk...so China knows where the milking cows are!..end of the story...

PS: will be interesting to see if Americans are willing to share their cows with the Chinese..
 
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You milk the cows that give milk...so China knows where the milking cows are!..end of the story...

Iranian economy sized 250-300 million (sic) USD...

Arab regimes, several of which have normalized ties with the zionist entity, angered by Washington's relationship with Tel Aviv.

Iraq part of an Arab block aligned with Ryadh against Islamic Iran.

Some vivid imagination right there.

https://foreignpolicy.com/2022/08/24/biden-iraq-iran-sadr-elections-parliament-militias-protests/

Such are the news from Iraq by the way. Ignore the silly title, it's got nothing to do with an alleged "indifference" on Biden's part - as if Trump aka "I enjoy exposing and publicly humiliating my "milking cows"" was successful at it. It's just that they failed to wrestle Iraq away from Iran. Again and again.

Every one of Iraq's three key institutions - Prime Minister, Parliament, Presidency, firmly remains in the hands of candidates whom Islamic Iran is comfortable with. In the latest round of external machinations, Saudi, the USA regime and Isra"el" spent tons of money plotting like mad to have figures hostile to Iran take over, via engineered riots and Sadr's shenanigans. To no avail.

I wonder, do they need neutral China to lend them a helping hand now? Are they this desperate?

Identical picture in Lebanon. Ditto in northern Yemen. Pro-Iranian forces simply cannot be toppled no matter how hard the western-zionist-Persian Gulf Arab nexus will try and how many billions they'll throw at it. This capitalist belief that money can buy everything including loyalty, unites those who share it and fail to draw lessons from their past failures.

As concerns the population of the three islands by the way, the Tunbs are uninhabited (except for Iranian military garrisons stationed there), while Abu Musa's population of some 2500 souls is Persian-speaking in its overwhelming majority. Arab-speakers are few hundreds.
 
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