U S Against Pakistan & China---This War Is A Reality Now

[MastanKhan]

Hi,

A war against pakistan and china is a reality at this moment for the U S----. The chance that the U S has now to neutralize these two countries at this time---may not be available after the next 5 to 10 years----.

This would also mean to drop pakistan totally as an ally and start up with a full time engagement with India to be the fulcrum of military action against these two nations.

Gwadar port and a naval base that the chinese may have full access to in the future, is a big challenge for the U S navy to keep its control in the arena. As it has full control over china in the south china seas---it can strangulate the chinese trade routes and oil shipments coming into china.

But Gwadar port brings out new issues and a change in power structure and power projection for the americans. As it links china thru a railhead----an oil pipeline that would reach into china----and the immediate presence of a chinese naval flotilla in the arena would bring many a headaches to the U S.

The U S navy that has controlled the area with impunity----since the second world war---will be facing fierce competition in power positioning.

So---just a few days ago---the U S fired the first round across the bough of pakistan---thru its secretary defense and the issue brought up was the short range pakistani nucs. Now---how and why did the short range pakistani nucs become a threat to the U S is unfathomable---but their concern of its usage in India Pakistan conflict seems to be un-acceptable to the americans at this stage or in the future----.

So---the thing what one needs to ask is---what are the americans trying to say---and what do the americans mean when they want pakistan to curtail the production of the short range nucs and also reduce their numbers or just totally demolish them.

Another issue is---why does the U S want pakistan to do that---why has the U S made this demand when it does not effect the U S in any way.

Does it want to pi-ss off pakistan---does it want pakistan to show any reaction---does it want to push pakistan into a corner---so that pakistan reacts and the U S finds a justification to strike.

This strike will basically neutralize pakistan's assets completely---which will put india in a much stronger position in the region---and as pakistan's legs get chopped off----that means that china's security is in question.

Now why do I think that the U S has a chance to succeed now than later----because pakistan military has failed to meet its obligation to strengthen the force in the given time.

The given time was between after 2001 till 2011---a 10 years time period---in the first part and then 2015 in the second part.

The bad decision of not getting the french aircraft between 2002---2005 is haunting them right now in the JF 17 program. With that handled---the JF17 program would have been in full swing and the upper and lower tier aircraft in place and military focused on other issues---. But tragically---the force is still bogged down even after 12 years.

The the second option that became available was earlier this year in the form of Yemen coalition---and we failed again at that as well.


Here is what Pakistan is----IT IS A NATION WITH THE BRAIN OF A LITTLE CHILD---BUT THE BODY OF A MONSTER----and the ability to rain destruction that a monster can---but as it is still a child brain---it does not comprehend the power of destruction that it has over other nations---and that has those other nations worried out of wits.

So---when this second God given opportunity came----pakistan floundered one more time out of habit----. It still was not able to comprehend what those monstrous dark clouds far out in the horizon were headed out towards----. It just could not understand that those clouds were headed its way.

The Yemen coalition was another chance for pakistan to have strengthened its military and economic might---. With a little adjustment here and a little adjustment there----moving of some fighter aircraft from one region to another---making mutual protection deal thru the resources of friendly GCC states and pakistan would have been in the driving seat one more time.

Enough funds to deploy troops---procure 5 to 8 sqdrns of frontline aircraft----navy frigates between 3500 tonnes to 8000 tonnes and create an additional force of 150 K troops---. Of those a 75 K troops deployed in yemen with at least 4 sqdrn's of aircraft and naval ship and subs---which would have given pakistan military a massive control and fire power in the region.

50---75000 troops spread around two to three bases in yemen with full military strength to keep peace in the arena and another 75---100000 troops based in saudi arabia and emirates---bahrain and qatar.

The naval flotilla would have seen another 4---6 F22 type ships---possibly 2 type 054 type frigate and possible 1 type 052 frigate. For the air force----we could see around 36 to 50 Rafale MS----4---6 division of tanks and other complimentary armor resource---the cargo fleet of the gulf countries would suffice to do the job and additons could be made.

Primary job of 50000 troops created in the first year and the total of 150000 in a 3 to 5 years time period---. Secondary jobs of over 300000 to 500000 would also had been created to cater to the needs of the troops---also money sent home in remittance would better the lifestyle of the families---who would be spending more on construction etc etc etc.

But---as pakistan has chosen to reject that offer---it is going to find itself on the brink of a dark and nasty hole of death---destruction---and mayhem.

The situation looks extremely grim for pakistan and china. The U S military has tried many a imes to provoke china in the south china seas---its partner australia alos has tried to provoke china in the recent days as the U S----and these provocations are not going to stop.

The ante will be upped slowly but surely---and at times rapidly for china to react. For pakistan---it will be put under immense pressure one more time---and this pressure that it is going to be put under---pakistan did not need to find itself in this place at this time.

For the folly of Yemen---pakistan may end up losing its source of power. @Khafee @Indus Falcon @Irfan Baloch @Viper0011.

 

[TMA]

Hi,

A war against pakistan and china is a reality at this moment for the U S----. The chance that the U S has now to neutralize these two countries at this time---may not be available after the next 5 to 10 years----.

This would also mean to drop pakistan totally as an ally and start up with a full time engagement with India to be the fulcrum of military action against these two nations.

Gwadar port and a naval base that the chinese may have full access to in the future, is a big challenge for the U S navy to keep its control in the arena. As it has full control over china in the south china seas---it can strangulate the chinese trade routes and oil shipments coming into china.

But Gwadar port brings out new issues and a change in power structure and power projection for the americans. As it links china thru a railhead----an oil pipeline that would reach into china----and the immediate presence of a chinese naval flotilla in the arena would bring many a headaches to the U S.

The U S navy that has controlled the area with impunity----since the second world war---will be facing fierce competition in power positioning.

So---just a few days ago---the U S fired the first round across the bough of pakistan---thru its secretary defense and the issue brought up was the short range pakistani nucs. Now---how and why did the short range pakistani nucs become a threat to the U S is unfathomable---but their concern of its usage in India Pakistan conflict seems to be un-acceptable to the americans at this stage or in the future----.

So---the thing what one needs to ask is---what are the americans trying to say---and what do the americans mean when they want pakistan to curtail the production of the short range nucs and also reduce their numbers or just totally demolish them.

Another issue is---why does the U S want pakistan to do that---why has the U S made this demand when it does not effect the U S in any way.

Does it want to pi-ss off pakistan---does it want pakistan to show any reaction---does it want to push pakistan into a corner---so that pakistan reacts and the U S finds a justification to strike.

This strike will basically neutralize pakistan's assets completely---which will put india in a much stronger position in the region---and as pakistan's legs get chopped off----that means that china's security is in question.

Now why do I think that the U S has a chance to succeed now than later----because pakistan military has failed to meet its obligation to strengthen the force in the given time.

The given time was between after 2001 till 2011---a 10 years time period---in the first part and then 2015 in the second part.

The bad decision of not getting the french aircraft between 2002---2005 is haunting them right now in the JF 17 program. With that handled---the JF17 program would have been in full swing and the upper and lower tier aircraft in place and military focused on other issues---. But tragically---the force is still bogged down even after 12 years.

The the second option that became available was earlier this year in the form of Yemen coalition---and we failed again at that as well.


Here is what Pakistan is----IT IS A NATION WITH THE BRAIN OF A LITTLE CHILD---BUT THE BODY OF A MONSTER----and the ability to rain destruction that a monster can---but as it is still a child brain---it does not comprehend the power of destruction that it has over other nations---and that has those other nations worried out of wits.

So---when this second God given opportunity came----pakistan floundered one more time out of habit----. It still was not able to comprehend what those monstrous dark clouds far out in the horizon were headed out towards----. It just could not understand that those clouds were headed its way.

The Yemen coalition was another chance for pakistan to have strengthened its military and economic might---. With a little adjustment here and a little adjustment there----moving of some fighter aircraft from one region to another---making mutual protection deal thru the resources of friendly GCC states and pakistan would have been in the driving seat one more time.

Enough funds to deploy troops---procure 5 to 8 sqdrns of frontline aircraft----navy frigates between 3500 tonnes to 8000 tonnes and create an additional force of 150 K troops---. Of those a 75 K troops deployed in yemen with at least 4 sqdrn's of aircraft and naval ship and subs---which would have given pakistan military a massive control and fire power in the region.

50---75000 troops spread around two to three bases in yemen with full military strength to keep peace in the arena and another 75---100000 troops based in saudi arabia and emirates---bahrain and qatar.

The naval flotilla would have seen another 4---6 F22 type ships---possibly 2 type 054 type frigate and possible 1 type 052 frigate. For the air force----we could see around 36 to 50 Rafale MS----4---6 division of tanks and other complimentary armor resource---the cargo fleet of the gulf countries would suffice to do the job and additons could be made.

Primary job of 50000 troops created in the first year and the total of 150000 in a 3 to 5 years time period---. Secondary jobs of over 300000 to 500000 would also had been created to cater to the needs of the troops---also money sent home in remittance would better the lifestyle of the families---who would be spending more on construction etc etc etc.

But---as pakistan has chosen to reject that offer---it is going to find itself on the brink of a dark and nasty hole of death---destruction---and mayhem.

The situation looks extremely grim for pakistan and china. The U S military has tried many a imes to provoke china in the south china seas---its partner australia alos has tried to provoke china in the recent days as the U S----and these provocations are not going to stop.

The ante will be upped slowly but surely---and at times rapidly for china to react. For pakistan---it will be put under immense pressure one more time---and this pressure that it is going to be put under---pakistan did not need to find itself in this place at this time.

For the folly of Yemen---pakistan may end up losing its source of power. @Khafee @Indus Falcon @Irfan Baloch @viper.1101

So you are saying Pakistan should have joined the Yemen conflict because it would have allowed Pakistan to have bases in Yemen and thus give Pakistan strategic advantage in the IOR? What about repercussions from Iran if Pakistan did this? What about overstretching the military?

 

[MastanKhan]

So you are saying Pakistan should have joined the Yemen conflict because it would have allowed Pakistan to have bases in Yemen and thus give Pakistan strategic advantage in the IOR? What about repercussions from Iran if Pakistan did this? What about overstretching the military?

Hi,

As I have stated before-----there will be no issues over the temporary over stretching of the military.

To start with---you would need to send over 35000---50000 troops on the go----. You will extend the service of the close to retirement generals, brigadiers, cols majs---and non comms----you will call those back who have just recently retd.

So---basically officers is not an immediate issue----troops off course you have to take out from existing resource.

To compensate for the leanness---you will in return ask the saudis to deploy a sqdrn of F15 saudi--from theemiratis 1 sqdrn of F16 BLK60---and 2 sqdrn's of M2K9's in pakistan---the force projectio will balance out a loss of troops.

A recruitment and training center at Gwadar cantonment would be a big big plus. And why worry about Iran----Iran will always create problems for other mations as it created in yemen---. Tese guys were living happily---Iran lit a light under their ar-ses and they started a revolt---and now there are close to a 50000 dead in that conflict.

If pak military was involved right when they were asked to---the right amount of troops would have reduced these losses to a minimal and there would have been peace in the region by now.

The thing is that the U S wants to create a conflict in the region----. There are those in the govt---who think that pak's nucs must go---and these people are gaining momentum with their demand in the govt---.

The U S wants to do something now----that is what I am looking at----. It is trying extremely hard to instigate china into reacting in south china seas---to give it a reason to attack---and the time is now---.

5---10 years down the road----will be too late. And for that reason---I say---that pakistani military blundered one more time----. They absolutely had no vision.

It was the BRITSIH EAST INDIA COMPANY moment for pakistan when saudia and emirates put their nations on a paltter and gave them to pakistan and pakistanis rejected them.

Reminds me of 1969---my aunt have returned from england the first time and brought some chocolate---.

She sent them to the young students at the madrassah across the street and I tried to stop her---told her to buy the Jalebi and Barfi---but no--she wanted to send chocolate---. So the kids put chocolates in their mouths---chewed on it--and started spitting them out and cursed her as well.

Well---the same thing pakistan has done---it was given a candy--and it spat it out---.

 

[vizier]

You did a good job staying away from Yemen conflict as you would suffer casualties and many would end up dead like the paid colubian blackwater mercs saudis hire.

Some proxy countries are supported to the end by usa to fuel terrorism around.But also they are necessary evil as a fear card while negotiating with un security states like Russia and China. Saudis getting nukes from Pak propaganda at the beginning of the yemen conflict or when İran getting nuclear type of arguments are examples.they are used as necessary evil by usa.It would alienate you more and sec council would be more open taking action after next false flag possibly utilising mini nukes.

One thing I agree is during 15 years you could have obtained indigeneous high alt sam and radar capability. Even indigeneous shorad not exist but manpads.

 

[IceCold]

US is going to attack Pakistan one way or the other. The people in our strategic apparatus does not see it yet which is surprising considering how many times has the US actually threaten to use force against us, latest was after 9/11 when they threaten to bomb us to stone age.
Now people (self proclaimed experts) will come to my throat for saying this but i have said on numerous times, it does not serve our interest to limit the range of Pakistani missile program. Why on earth do we want to do that? Even India is not fully covered in our missile range, than what was the purpose of a 2750 km shaheen 3 when other missiles can strike up to 2500 kms more or less?
A gradual build up of our missile range is a necessity so when the time comes and it will we are not caught with our pants down. Anything that will keep US at bay is when they know that the other country can hit back or they will hit back. Yes this will come with sanctions and other things but when other currencies are gaining strength notably Yuan, our reliance on dollar should also reduce gradually.
An improved economy is however a must if we ever want to achieve a free foreign and strategic policy.

 

[Ice Cube]

and how is China's security dependent on Pakistan ?

in case of actual war between China and the US, the US 5th fleet which is based in NSA, Bahrain, can blockade the entire Persian gulf and make sure no oil gets Gwadar in the first place. Not like the Pakistan navy would challenge the USN if they were in a hot war with China anyway.

PLAN is not a blue water navy with such long legs and force projection capabilities either that they can challenge the USN in the Persian gulf/Arabian Sea area.

 

[Imtiaz_Sarwar]

US has all kinds of nuclear weapons including short range nuclear missiles and even nuclear artillery shells. We never tell the US what to do with their weapons. So US has no right to tell us what to do with our weapons. Besides Pakistan is a responsible member of the international community. As long as we behave in a mature and responsible way we don't have to worry about anything. After making a blunt point, I would like to add that we should deal with US with tact and diplomacy. We have a working relationship with US and it is in our best interest to continue having friendly terms with US.

About Yemen it was a wise decision not to join in a sectarian civil war, but Saudi led coalition against terrorism is another chance to play a responsible role in the Islamic world. Pakistan can play a leading role in bringing peace to a chaotic Islamic world but it needs to be done very carefully.

 

[wiseone2]

US has all kinds of nuclear weapons including short range nuclear missiles and even nuclear artillery shells. We never tell the US what to do with their weapons. So US has no right to tell us what to do with our weapons. Besides Pakistan is a responsible member of the international community. As long as we behave in a mature and responsible way we don't have to worry about anything. After making a blunt point, I would like to add that we should deal with US with tact and diplomacy. We have a working relationship with US and it is in our best interest to continue having friendly terms with US.

About Yemen it was a wise decision not to join in a sectarian civil war, but Saudi led coalition against terrorism is another chance to play a responsible role in the Islamic world. Pakistan can play a leading role in bringing peace to a chaotic Islamic world but it needs to be done very carefully.

It is not completely upto you to decide whether you are a responsible member of the international community

 

[Defender@@]

Hi,

A war against pakistan and china is a reality at this moment for the U S----. The chance that the U S has now to neutralize these two countries at this time---may not be available after the next 5 to 10 years----.

This would also mean to drop pakistan totally as an ally and start up with a full time engagement with India to be the fulcrum of military action against these two nations.

Gwadar port and a naval base that the chinese may have full access to in the future, is a big challenge for the U S navy to keep its control in the arena. As it has full control over china in the south china seas---it can strangulate the chinese trade routes and oil shipments coming into china.

But Gwadar port brings out new issues and a change in power structure and power projection for the americans. As it links china thru a railhead----an oil pipeline that would reach into china----and the immediate presence of a chinese naval flotilla in the arena would bring many a headaches to the U S.

The U S navy that has controlled the area with impunity----since the second world war---will be facing fierce competition in power positioning.

So---just a few days ago---the U S fired the first round across the bough of pakistan---thru its secretary defense and the issue brought up was the short range pakistani nucs. Now---how and why did the short range pakistani nucs become a threat to the U S is unfathomable---but their concern of its usage in India Pakistan conflict seems to be un-acceptable to the americans at this stage or in the future----.

So---the thing what one needs to ask is---what are the americans trying to say---and what do the americans mean when they want pakistan to curtail the production of the short range nucs and also reduce their numbers or just totally demolish them.

Another issue is---why does the U S want pakistan to do that---why has the U S made this demand when it does not effect the U S in any way.

Does it want to pi-ss off pakistan---does it want pakistan to show any reaction---does it want to push pakistan into a corner---so that pakistan reacts and the U S finds a justification to strike.

This strike will basically neutralize pakistan's assets completely---which will put india in a much stronger position in the region---and as pakistan's legs get chopped off----that means that china's security is in question.

Now why do I think that the U S has a chance to succeed now than later----because pakistan military has failed to meet its obligation to strengthen the force in the given time.

The given time was between after 2001 till 2011---a 10 years time period---in the first part and then 2015 in the second part.

The bad decision of not getting the french aircraft between 2002---2005 is haunting them right now in the JF 17 program. With that handled---the JF17 program would have been in full swing and the upper and lower tier aircraft in place and military focused on other issues---. But tragically---the force is still bogged down even after 12 years.

The the second option that became available was earlier this year in the form of Yemen coalition---and we failed again at that as well.


Here is what Pakistan is----IT IS A NATION WITH THE BRAIN OF A LITTLE CHILD---BUT THE BODY OF A MONSTER----and the ability to rain destruction that a monster can---but as it is still a child brain---it does not comprehend the power of destruction that it has over other nations---and that has those other nations worried out of wits.

So---when this second God given opportunity came----pakistan floundered one more time out of habit----. It still was not able to comprehend what those monstrous dark clouds far out in the horizon were headed out towards----. It just could not understand that those clouds were headed its way.

The Yemen coalition was another chance for pakistan to have strengthened its military and economic might---. With a little adjustment here and a little adjustment there----moving of some fighter aircraft from one region to another---making mutual protection deal thru the resources of friendly GCC states and pakistan would have been in the driving seat one more time.

Enough funds to deploy troops---procure 5 to 8 sqdrns of frontline aircraft----navy frigates between 3500 tonnes to 8000 tonnes and create an additional force of 150 K troops---. Of those a 75 K troops deployed in yemen with at least 4 sqdrn's of aircraft and naval ship and subs---which would have given pakistan military a massive control and fire power in the region.

50---75000 troops spread around two to three bases in yemen with full military strength to keep peace in the arena and another 75---100000 troops based in saudi arabia and emirates---bahrain and qatar.

The naval flotilla would have seen another 4---6 F22 type ships---possibly 2 type 054 type frigate and possible 1 type 052 frigate. For the air force----we could see around 36 to 50 Rafale MS----4---6 division of tanks and other complimentary armor resource---the cargo fleet of the gulf countries would suffice to do the job and additons could be made.

Primary job of 50000 troops created in the first year and the total of 150000 in a 3 to 5 years time period---. Secondary jobs of over 300000 to 500000 would also had been created to cater to the needs of the troops---also money sent home in remittance would better the lifestyle of the families---who would be spending more on construction etc etc etc.

But---as pakistan has chosen to reject that offer---it is going to find itself on the brink of a dark and nasty hole of death---destruction---and mayhem.

The situation looks extremely grim for pakistan and china. The U S military has tried many a imes to provoke china in the south china seas---its partner australia alos has tried to provoke china in the recent days as the U S----and these provocations are not going to stop.

The ante will be upped slowly but surely---and at times rapidly for china to react. For pakistan---it will be put under immense pressure one more time---and this pressure that it is going to be put under---pakistan did not need to find itself in this place at this time.

For the folly of Yemen---pakistan may end up losing its source of power. @Khafee @Indus Falcon @Irfan Baloch @viper.1101

Rightly identified problem but wrong solution... If we join yemen war for dollars then thier will be no difference between us and paid killers... Furthermore yemen war is sectrion plus regional and Pakistan has nothing to do with both issues... Pakistan needs to play a positive role in secterian issues i.e. bridging the gaps bw iran and saudia whereas we are out of region so no role for regional dominanace ...

For solution to our problem cannot be addresses militarily as no matter how strong we become if we got cornored diplomatically usa russia india and israel has consensus to destroy nukes of pak and pak military power so what we have to do is to work hard on two front

1. Create a positive image of Pakistan showing a role of responsible state whereas controlling non.state actors... Prime objective is that in case of any false flag attack against india or usa ahowing origins from we could proof that those persons do not have any bases in pakistan... Thats a difficult task but operation zarb.e.azab is doing right in that direction... But we have to project zarb.e.azab to the world ... Do remember that in order to invade pak they need a false flag and then test will start... What webhave to do is to establish trust relation with all world powers including china russia usa britan france germany australia saudia and iran that in case of false flag nothing could be point towards pak... However i believe that west will not believe us anu how so main focis should be an alliance with china russia saudia and iran... India cannot act against will of these countries

2. Second area is economy... Our economy is devastated priority of gov seems to be elections only and there are no steps for economic arrival ... There are almost no investments in manufacturing sectors since decades the only investments are in import based sector i.e. oil and gas... We have yo invest in supply chain hih end producta of locally available minesral .. Such as copper... We have enormous reserves of copper but are not being used by us all are being exported in raw form ... We can be giant in supply of consumer electric products ... Second area is establishing premium retail garment brands having internarional recognition... Profitability in garment business is humongus but pakistan has no share in retail of textile product resultantly hard work done by pak by major profit is for big brands like ikea mango levis etc etc ... Coal management... Water management talent management are other areas to be addresses for better economy...

On financial side of the economy there is strong need to establish venture capital... A true way to boast business activities... Venture capital was the financial tool use by israel to make it an economic power... In venture capital investors having money higher professional experts and establish new businesses... Hence combination of expertise plus money after setting business they slae it to general public or other investors at high profits... Benefit is professional management like we have one in engro will do the business whereas investors will get high returns for taking high risks without involving in business ...

 

[Imtiaz_Sarwar]

It is not completely upto you to decide whether you are a responsible member of the international community

You are right. The rest of the world is the judge.

 

[Indika]

Nonsense, US has never fought a war directly against big power.

-IT IS A NATION WITH THE BRAIN OF A LITTLE CHILD---BUT THE BODY OF A MONSTER

to be precise brain of a demented retarded child.
did you write this up? it is pretty childish argument. This is nothing but conspiracy theory of the highest order of delusion.

 

[punit]

Hi,

A war against pakistan and china is a reality at this moment for the U S----. The chance that the U S has now to neutralize these two countries at this time---may not be available after the next 5 to 10 years----.

This would also mean to drop pakistan totally as an ally and start up with a full time engagement with India to be the fulcrum of military action against these two nations.

Gwadar port and a naval base that the chinese may have full access to in the future, is a big challenge for the U S navy to keep its control in the arena. As it has full control over china in the south china seas---it can strangulate the chinese trade routes and oil shipments coming into china.

But Gwadar port brings out new issues and a change in power structure and power projection for the americans. As it links china thru a railhead----an oil pipeline that would reach into china----and the immediate presence of a chinese naval flotilla in the arena would bring many a headaches to the U S.

The U S navy that has controlled the area with impunity----since the second world war---will be facing fierce competition in power positioning.

So---just a few days ago---the U S fired the first round across the bough of pakistan---thru its secretary defense and the issue brought up was the short range pakistani nucs. Now---how and why did the short range pakistani nucs become a threat to the U S is unfathomable---but their concern of its usage in India Pakistan conflict seems to be un-acceptable to the americans at this stage or in the future----.

So---the thing what one needs to ask is---what are the americans trying to say---and what do the americans mean when they want pakistan to curtail the production of the short range nucs and also reduce their numbers or just totally demolish them.

Another issue is---why does the U S want pakistan to do that---why has the U S made this demand when it does not effect the U S in any way.

Does it want to pi-ss off pakistan---does it want pakistan to show any reaction---does it want to push pakistan into a corner---so that pakistan reacts and the U S finds a justification to strike.

This strike will basically neutralize pakistan's assets completely---which will put india in a much stronger position in the region---and as pakistan's legs get chopped off----that means that china's security is in question.

Now why do I think that the U S has a chance to succeed now than later----because pakistan military has failed to meet its obligation to strengthen the force in the given time.

The given time was between after 2001 till 2011---a 10 years time period---in the first part and then 2015 in the second part.

The bad decision of not getting the french aircraft between 2002---2005 is haunting them right now in the JF 17 program. With that handled---the JF17 program would have been in full swing and the upper and lower tier aircraft in place and military focused on other issues---. But tragically---the force is still bogged down even after 12 years.

The the second option that became available was earlier this year in the form of Yemen coalition---and we failed again at that as well.


Here is what Pakistan is----IT IS A NATION WITH THE BRAIN OF A LITTLE CHILD---BUT THE BODY OF A MONSTER----and the ability to rain destruction that a monster can---but as it is still a child brain---it does not comprehend the power of destruction that it has over other nations---and that has those other nations worried out of wits.

So---when this second God given opportunity came----pakistan floundered one more time out of habit----. It still was not able to comprehend what those monstrous dark clouds far out in the horizon were headed out towards----. It just could not understand that those clouds were headed its way.

The Yemen coalition was another chance for pakistan to have strengthened its military and economic might---. With a little adjustment here and a little adjustment there----moving of some fighter aircraft from one region to another---making mutual protection deal thru the resources of friendly GCC states and pakistan would have been in the driving seat one more time.

Enough funds to deploy troops---procure 5 to 8 sqdrns of frontline aircraft----navy frigates between 3500 tonnes to 8000 tonnes and create an additional force of 150 K troops---. Of those a 75 K troops deployed in yemen with at least 4 sqdrn's of aircraft and naval ship and subs---which would have given pakistan military a massive control and fire power in the region.

50---75000 troops spread around two to three bases in yemen with full military strength to keep peace in the arena and another 75---100000 troops based in saudi arabia and emirates---bahrain and qatar.

The naval flotilla would have seen another 4---6 F22 type ships---possibly 2 type 054 type frigate and possible 1 type 052 frigate. For the air force----we could see around 36 to 50 Rafale MS----4---6 division of tanks and other complimentary armor resource---the cargo fleet of the gulf countries would suffice to do the job and additons could be made.

Primary job of 50000 troops created in the first year and the total of 150000 in a 3 to 5 years time period---. Secondary jobs of over 300000 to 500000 would also had been created to cater to the needs of the troops---also money sent home in remittance would better the lifestyle of the families---who would be spending more on construction etc etc etc.

But---as pakistan has chosen to reject that offer---it is going to find itself on the brink of a dark and nasty hole of death---destruction---and mayhem.

The situation looks extremely grim for pakistan and china. The U S military has tried many a imes to provoke china in the south china seas---its partner australia alos has tried to provoke china in the recent days as the U S----and these provocations are not going to stop.

The ante will be upped slowly but surely---and at times rapidly for china to react. For pakistan---it will be put under immense pressure one more time---and this pressure that it is going to be put under---pakistan did not need to find itself in this place at this time.

For the folly of Yemen---pakistan may end up losing its source of power. @Khafee @Indus Falcon @Irfan Baloch @viper.1101

bhai jaan ! thand rakho. Year end hai chhutti hai iska fayda na uthao.

 

[Indika]

bhai jaan ! thand rakho. Year end hai chhutti hai iska fayda na uthao.

yup agreed, @MastanKhan happy holidays take a break and chill out dude.

 

[Joseph Goebbels]

Hi,

As I have stated before-----there will be no issues over the temporary over stretching of the military.

To start with---you would need to send over 35000---50000 troops on the go----. You will extend the service of the close to retirement generals, brigadiers, cols majs---and non comms----you will call those back who have just recently retd.

So---basically officers is not an immediate issue----troops off course you have to take out from existing resource.

To compensate for the leanness---you will in return ask the saudis to deploy a sqdrn of F15 saudi--from theemiratis 1 sqdrn of F16 BLK60---and 2 sqdrn's of M2K9's in pakistan---the force projectio will balance out a loss of troops.

A recruitment and training center at Gwadar cantonment would be a big big plus. And why worry about Iran----Iran will always create problems for other mations as it created in yemen---. Tese guys were living happily---Iran lit a light under their ar-ses and they started a revolt---and now there are close to a 50000 dead in that conflict.

If pak military was involved right when they were asked to---the right amount of troops would have reduced these losses to a minimal and there would have been peace in the region by now.

The thing is that the U S wants to create a conflict in the region----. There are those in the govt---who think that pak's nucs must go---and these people are gaining momentum with their demand in the govt---.

The U S wants to do something now----that is what I am looking at----. It is trying extremely hard to instigate china into reacting in south china seas---to give it a reason to attack---and the time is now---.

5---10 years down the road----will be too late. And for that reason---I say---that pakistani military blundered one more time----. They absolutely had no vision.

It was the BRITSIH EAST INDIA COMPANY moment for pakistan when saudia and emirates put their nations on a paltter and gave them to pakistan and pakistanis rejected them.

Reminds me of 1969---my aunt have returned from england the first time and brought some chocolate---.

She sent them to the young students at the madrassah across the street and I tried to stop her---told her to buy the Jalebi and Barfi---but no--she wanted to send chocolate---. So the kids put chocolates in their mouths---chewed on it--and started spitting them out and cursed her as well.

Well---the same thing pakistan has done---it was given a candy--and it spat it out---. You konw---just like the girl wanted to get laid---and the poor illeterate kid did not know what to do---does it still happen or it used to happen in my time only---!

just one question why do USA have to attack Pakistan when it can get its job done by just arm twisting all the former and present ruling elite and there family and fortunes as all are based in west , USA, UK and middle eastern US allies

 

[T-Rex]

It is not completely upto you to decide whether you are a responsible member of the international community

It goes for every state. Most of the countries do not consider the US as a responsible nuclear state but in this world might is right and so the US rules.

Hi,

A war against pakistan and china is a reality at this moment for the U S----. The chance that the U S has now to neutralize these two countries at this time---may not be available after the next 5 to 10 years----.

This would also mean to drop pakistan totally as an ally and start up with a full time engagement with India to be the fulcrum of military action against these two nations.

Gwadar port and a naval base that the chinese may have full access to in the future, is a big challenge for the U S navy to keep its control in the arena. As it has full control over china in the south china seas---it can strangulate the chinese trade routes and oil shipments coming into china.

But Gwadar port brings out new issues and a change in power structure and power projection for the americans. As it links china thru a railhead----an oil pipeline that would reach into china----and the immediate presence of a chinese naval flotilla in the arena would bring many a headaches to the U S.

The U S navy that has controlled the area with impunity----since the second world war---will be facing fierce competition in power positioning.

So---just a few days ago---the U S fired the first round across the bough of pakistan---thru its secretary defense and the issue brought up was the short range pakistani nucs. Now---how and why did the short range pakistani nucs become a threat to the U S is unfathomable---but their concern of its usage in India Pakistan conflict seems to be un-acceptable to the americans at this stage or in the future----.

So---the thing what one needs to ask is---what are the americans trying to say---and what do the americans mean when they want pakistan to curtail the production of the short range nucs and also reduce their numbers or just totally demolish them.

Another issue is---why does the U S want pakistan to do that---why has the U S made this demand when it does not effect the U S in any way.

Does it want to pi-ss off pakistan---does it want pakistan to show any reaction---does it want to push pakistan into a corner---so that pakistan reacts and the U S finds a justification to strike.

This strike will basically neutralize pakistan's assets completely---which will put india in a much stronger position in the region---and as pakistan's legs get chopped off----that means that china's security is in question.

Now why do I think that the U S has a chance to succeed now than later----because pakistan military has failed to meet its obligation to strengthen the force in the given time.

The given time was between after 2001 till 2011---a 10 years time period---in the first part and then 2015 in the second part.

The bad decision of not getting the french aircraft between 2002---2005 is haunting them right now in the JF 17 program. With that handled---the JF17 program would have been in full swing and the upper and lower tier aircraft in place and military focused on other issues---. But tragically---the force is still bogged down even after 12 years.

The the second option that became available was earlier this year in the form of Yemen coalition---and we failed again at that as well.


Here is what Pakistan is----IT IS A NATION WITH THE BRAIN OF A LITTLE CHILD---BUT THE BODY OF A MONSTER----and the ability to rain destruction that a monster can---but as it is still a child brain---it does not comprehend the power of destruction that it has over other nations---and that has those other nations worried out of wits.

So---when this second God given opportunity came----pakistan floundered one more time out of habit----. It still was not able to comprehend what those monstrous dark clouds far out in the horizon were headed out towards----. It just could not understand that those clouds were headed its way.

The Yemen coalition was another chance for pakistan to have strengthened its military and economic might---. With a little adjustment here and a little adjustment there----moving of some fighter aircraft from one region to another---making mutual protection deal thru the resources of friendly GCC states and pakistan would have been in the driving seat one more time.

Enough funds to deploy troops---procure 5 to 8 sqdrns of frontline aircraft----navy frigates between 3500 tonnes to 8000 tonnes and create an additional force of 150 K troops---. Of those a 75 K troops deployed in yemen with at least 4 sqdrn's of aircraft and naval ship and subs---which would have given pakistan military a massive control and fire power in the region.

50---75000 troops spread around two to three bases in yemen with full military strength to keep peace in the arena and another 75---100000 troops based in saudi arabia and emirates---bahrain and qatar.

The naval flotilla would have seen another 4---6 F22 type ships---possibly 2 type 054 type frigate and possible 1 type 052 frigate. For the air force----we could see around 36 to 50 Rafale MS----4---6 division of tanks and other complimentary armor resource---the cargo fleet of the gulf countries would suffice to do the job and additons could be made.

Primary job of 50000 troops created in the first year and the total of 150000 in a 3 to 5 years time period---. Secondary jobs of over 300000 to 500000 would also had been created to cater to the needs of the troops---also money sent home in remittance would better the lifestyle of the families---who would be spending more on construction etc etc etc.

But---as pakistan has chosen to reject that offer---it is going to find itself on the brink of a dark and nasty hole of death---destruction---and mayhem.

The situation looks extremely grim for pakistan and china. The U S military has tried many a imes to provoke china in the south china seas---its partner australia alos has tried to provoke china in the recent days as the U S----and these provocations are not going to stop.

The ante will be upped slowly but surely---and at times rapidly for china to react. For pakistan---it will be put under immense pressure one more time---and this pressure that it is going to be put under---pakistan did not need to find itself in this place at this time.

For the folly of Yemen---pakistan may end up losing its source of power. @Khafee @Indus Falcon @Irfan Baloch @viper.1101

The US is no ally to Pakistan, there are simply too many facts to back it up but in the end it's going to be the stupidity of the Pakistani leaders which will be responsible if Pakistan finds itself unprepared for this kind of situation. The US definitely sees both Pakistan and China as threats but for different reasons. I don't think they will ever go after Pakistan before China as they have india for that job. They will leave that job for india once they are done with China. However, sanity may prevail after an honest analysis of the combined military might of China and Pakistan to counter such possibility. So, at this moment it's a bit too early to say how uncle sam is going to implement what they have on their mind.