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U S Against Pakistan & China---This War Is A Reality Now

It appears from your argument that the whole Pakistan country and Pakistani nation exist only to protect and strengthen PA :p:. The focal point of all national policies, decisions and initiatives will be in the direction of protecting PA:crazy:


And the reason is this:


BJP official backs unity with Pakistan, Bangladesh
Ram Madhav tells Al Jazeera he believes India, Pakistan and Bangladesh will reunite to form “undivided India”.
25 Dec 2015 06:58 GMT | Politics, India, Asia, Pakistan, Bangladesh


A leading official from India's ruling Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP) believes that through "popular goodwill", parts of India that were separated 60 years ago will come together.

In an interview with Al Jazeera's Head to Head show, Ram Madhav, the National General Secretary of India's BJP said that he believes India, Pakistan and Bangladesh will reunite to form 'Akhand Bharat' (undivided India).

“The Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh (RSS) still believes that one day these parts, which have for historical reasons separated only 60 years ago, will again, through popular goodwill, come together and Akhand Bharat will be created," referring to the Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh (RSS), the right-wing Hindu nationalist organisation often described as the ideological wing of the BJP.

"As an RSS member, I also hold onto that view”. However, he clarified, “That does not mean we wage war on any country, [or that] we annex any country. Without war, through popular consent, it can happen”.

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Madhav was previously spokesman and a National Executive Member at the RSS, until he was deputed to the BJP in July 2014, and then appointed National General Secretary.

Since its landslide victory in 2014, the BJP has come under fire for allegedly contributing to a “climate of intolerance” in India, which is home to the world’s largest Muslim-minority population.

Responding to a statement made earlier this year, in which he said India was “a Hindu country”, Madhav explained, “It’s a land where a particular way of life, a particular culture or civilization is practiced”.

“We call it Hindu – do you have any objection? India has one culture. We are one culture, one people, one nation,” he told Head to Head host Mehdi Hassan.

When challenged on why a number of high-profile writers and intellectuals have returned their awards to protest against the BJP government in recent months, Madhav argued they were doing so “to defame the government and in turn to defame the image of India,” and that their method of protest was “wrong”.

Madhav, who is in charge of the BJP’s “Jammu & Kashmir affairs” also responded on how to bring peace to the region.

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“The only outstanding issue with regard to the Kashmir problem is the Kashmir under Pakistan occupation," he said.

"The Kashmir that is an integral part of India, it has been proved time and again that it's an integral part of India.”

He assured the audience that “political demands in Kashmir will be taken care of,” although with the caveat: “short of separating from India”.
 
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The Americans have dug their own grave by chewing more than they can bite. Right now, they are puzzled about many things including Assad, ISIS, Russia, Iran, China, resurgent Afghan Taliban and other major issues. The Americans have problems with many countries including big powers. Their economy has taken a dent and they aren't respected as a world power. The Americans are also responsible for the creation of the latest ISIS threat against the world. Not to mention the after effects of the refugee crisis in Syria. In a nutshell, the Americans have created serious problems for themselves and the world.

The Americans cannot do anything about the evolving relationship between China and Pakistan. Of course, it is sour grapes, but the alliance between Pakistan and China is as natural as the alliance between US and India. The interests of these nations converge on many levels. The Americans have started to accept this reality. The Pakistan US relation is confined to security.

Having said that, this doesn't mean that Pakistan and China sit idle and don't take precautionary measures to safeguard their interests. On the contrary, China is helping Pakistan in every regard and this is evident in many ways. From the multi billion CPEC project to Pakistan's defence requirements and procurements. All being taken care by China. Also, anyone thinking that Gwadar won't serve as a naval base is kidding him or herself. Pakistan and China have every reason for optimism, but they must remain wary of the threats and risks posed by the ill wishers. Quietly, keep working on the converging interests as the US opts to become more and more entangled in their newly created wars and conflicts. Pakistan and China should at all cost refrain from becoming party in US conflicts. Nothing good is going to come out of American wars.
 
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Agreed thats why usa and israel are arming india at trumendous pace... India can purchase any weapon in the world... So they are using india to counter china and pakistan...

We have to re positioned ourself for better diplomatic relationship

Guess which army has American tanks, combat aircraft ?? India or Pakistan

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They have done worst than toppling---. When you topple one regime---another one comes in---over here----the current regime is in shambles and as is the country---.

So---basically---the deadly poisionous snake has been de-fanged and a worthless earthworm is left behind----.




Hi,

It is very simple---I am surprised when people don't understad the significance of a U S military strike to neutralize Pakistan.

Pakistan is the ultimate BAD BOY of the world with the most powerful weapons in stock and a very pro-active military.

Some in pentagon do SALIVATE at the thought of a military action against pakistan. A successful action will enforce the true WRIT of the united states over the world.

Pakistan military is THE ripe PLUM on the tree.

For that reason---Yemen alliance was extremely important---because of the funds available to strengthen the military with conventional means.

Iran would have squirmed and screamed----and there is nothing new about it----. Pakistan would state clearly to Iran---" stay out of Yemen ".

The nuclear weapons are for SHOW----the conventional military strength is for DOUGH.

The simple economic gains for the country would have been astronomical.

Then pakistan would have been in a much better position to talk peace with anyone.

It is not America's problem that Assad's family is ruling Syria for three decades. Assad and his father have relied upon the Soviet Union to build their military machine.

The Pentagon is opposed to war with Pakistan. Otherwise they would have declared war after 9/11
That does not mean they like everything the Pakistani army does

You are making too much out of Yemen. it is a proxy war over a land with little oil. the only thing about Yemen is that it shares a land border with Saudi Arabia

I do not know why pakistani army stayed out of the yemen war. it is the right decision even if it was for the wrong reasons
 
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US is always against Pak China friendship & of course Gawadar port is hurting US very badly.
 
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Guess which army has American tanks, combat aircraft ?? India or Pakistan
That was the old story,,, Guess for which country Pentagon has a special desk for quick weapon procurement? Guess for which country USA is offering most advance tech of A/C Carrier,,, I guess there are alot more air craft suppliers in the market,, some are even advance then US supplied AC but US is not supplying AC carrier tech to anyone,,, So don't think others are blind,,, other can see policy shift by US and India,,,
 
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Hi,

A war against pakistan and china is a reality at this moment for the U S----. The chance that the U S has now to neutralize these two countries at this time---may not be available after the next 5 to 10 years----.

The the second option that became available was earlier this year in the form of Yemen coalition---and we failed again at that as well.

The Yemen coalition was another chance for pakistan to have strengthened its military and economic might---. With a little adjustment here and a little adjustment there----moving of some fighter aircraft from one region to another---making mutual protection deal thru the resources of friendly GCC states and pakistan would have been in the driving seat one more time.

Enough funds to deploy troops---procure 5 to 8 sqdrns of frontline aircraft----navy frigates between 3500 tonnes to 8000 tonnes and create an additional force of 150 K troops---. Of those a 75 K troops deployed in yemen with at least 4 sqdrn's of aircraft and naval ship and subs---which would have given pakistan military a massive control and fire power in the region.

For the folly of Yemen---pakistan may end up losing its source of power. @Khafee @Indus Falcon @Irfan Baloch @Viper0011.

MK.....the US won't go against Pakistan. Unless you are in a WWIII and Pakistan becomes the next Japan. If the US wanted Pakistan at war, she would've allowed Modi to STRIKE, as Modi REALLY wanted to. Not force him to stop and now, visit Pakistan....

Second, the Saudis aren't stupid. And they certainly are not US in terms of being generous and a military equipment manufacturer. They would buy JFT to support Pakistan's armed columns inside the KSA against Yemen. But they wouldn't be paying off your debt or buy you 40-60 Rafale's / EFT's and ships and all. That's a crazy idea and has no reality to it. A billion or two here and there is different than spending like $ 10 billion on Pakistan's force modernization. It won't happen.

Third: You'd risk a civil war to start inside Pakistan between Shiite's and Sunni's. You keep forgetting, going against Yemen would be seen and supported ONLY by Pakistan's messy religious nutt jobs as another "Jihad", this time, only against Shiite Muslims. Imagine the lates, 2015 violent hate drive such a situation would cause inside Pakistan. You'd spend the next two decades fighting with these crazy Islamist fractions who just got fresh blood and recruits because now, in 2015, they had to fight the other types of enemy, which is Shitte Muslims. I won't be surprised if such a silly venture doesn't result in breaking Pakistan into pieces.

Just by saying NO to KSA to get involved in Yemen, I think the Pakistanis have learned from the past. No amount of $$$$ and weapons justify destroying a country's 1 or 2 full decades in dealing with the left overs of these crazy extremists, who kill without mercy and spare no woman, child or elderly.

So with that, I'd conclude that I think Pakistan has finally embarked upon the right path of peace, tolerance, stability and economic progress. Why would anyone want to damage Pakistan's rather bright future? 5-8 more years worth of economic growth and you can buy all these weapons yourself. And once you become a 1.5 trillion or more strong economy, the debt can be paid off. You have over a 110 million labor with 30 years left in them, paying off $ 70 or more billions worth of debt isn't that difficult once the economy grows to where it needs to be for the next ten or so years :tup:

Once pakistani state drops terrorism against India, it does not face any military threat. Our bilateral engagement on trade and energy issues will take off dramatically. India will NEVER attack pakistan just because AmirKhan wants it. India will be faced with cataclysm no matter if it wins or loses. The frantic weapons shopping is to plug holes in our defence and achieve some strategic land, air / naval parity with China, to negotiate several geopolitical issues from a position of strength. Once war threat from India subsides, Pakistan would not be forced to obey Chinese diktats and have a better negotiating position with them regarding trade / infrastructure development.

Modi is sincere in his outreach to pakistan to change the paradigm of these inter relation ships. The timing is perfect since for the first time, PA has tackled homegrown terrorists groups in NWFP & FATA & some level of democracy has taken hold creating civilian / military stakeholders for detente with India. The presence of ISIS in Afghanistan is a strategic threat for both Pakistan and India and threatens to disrupt energy supply from Central Asia.

Hope pakistan reads the tea leaves correctly and engages with India / Modi in the coming months

Very balanced post :tup:
 
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MK.....the US won't go against Pakistan. Unless you are in a WWIII and Pakistan becomes the next Japan. If the US wanted Pakistan at war, she would've allowed Modi to STRIKE, as Modi REALLY wanted to. Not force him to stop and now, visit Pakistan....

Second, the Saudis aren't stupid. And they certainly are not US in terms of being generous and a military equipment manufacturer. They would buy JFT to support Pakistan's armed columns inside the KSA against Yemen. But they wouldn't be paying off your debt or buy you 40-60 Rafale's / EFT's and ships and all. That's a crazy idea and has no reality to it. A billion or two here and there is different than spending like $ 10 billion on Pakistan's force modernization. It won't happen.

Third: You'd risk a civil war to start inside Pakistan between Shiite's and Sunni's. You keep forgetting, going against Yemen would be seen and supported ONLY by Pakistan's messy religious nutt jobs as another "Jihad", this time, only against Shiite Muslims. Imagine the lates, 2015 violent hate drive such a situation would cause inside Pakistan. You'd spend the next two decades fighting with these crazy Islamist fractions who just got fresh blood and recruits because now, in 2015, they had to fight the other types of enemy, which is Shitte Muslims. I won't be surprised if such a silly venture doesn't result in breaking Pakistan into pieces.

Just by saying NO to KSA to get involved in Yemen, I think the Pakistanis have learned from the past. No amount of $$$$ and weapons justify destroying a country's 1 or 2 full decades in dealing with the left overs of these crazy extremists, who kill without mercy and spare no woman, child or elderly.

So with that, I'd conclude that I think Pakistan has finally embarked upon the right path of peace, tolerance, stability and economic progress. Why would anyone want to damage Pakistan's rather bright future? 5-8 more years worth of economic growth and you can buy all these weapons yourself. And once you become a 1.5 trillion or more strong economy, the debt can be paid off. You have over a 110 million labor with 30 years left in them, paying off $ 70 or more billions worth of debt isn't that difficult once the economy grows to where it needs to be for the next ten or so years :tup:



Very balanced post :tup:


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The saudis would have paid a hefty sum if pakistan had agreed to send force in yemen and so would have the emiratis and qataris and bahrain--etc etc etc---.

Attacks on civilians in france and in san bernardino has changed the war scenario. Those who were sitting back and keeping quite have stood up and are pointing fingers---.

This is election year coming---and the war drums are already sounding very loud---. The republicans will sell whatever to get back into the white house---they are desperate---they sound angry---and they have a further desire for blood.

And the way the U S reacts---it won't take it a moment to cartwheel into action against pakistan directly or indirectly.

The threshold of war is one major terrorist attack in india----and under these circumstance---pakistan is between a rock and a hard place.

Truthfully----I do not like the silence from india for the last two months----it has the knell of death written over it.

Then some very aggressive and provocative flying by the U S and australia over south china seas---trying to pull china into acting stupid----.

All this unpredictability points towards one thing---some kind of a clash. The U S has the next 5 years to contain china---it would be extremely difficult after that and next to impossible after 10 years.

Once pakistani state drops terrorism against India, it does not face any military threat. Our bilateral engagement on trade and energy issues will take off dramatically. India will NEVER attack pakistan just because AmirKhan wants it. India will be faced with cataclysm no matter if it wins or loses. The frantic weapons shopping is to plug holes in our defence and achieve some strategic land, air / naval parity with China, to negotiate several geopolitical issues from a position of strength. Once war threat from India subsides, Pakistan would not be forced to obey Chinese diktats and have a better negotiating position with them regarding trade / infrastructure development.

Modi is sincere in his outreach to pakistan to change the paradigm of these inter relation ships. The timing is perfect since for the first time, PA has tackled homegrown terrorists groups in NWFP & FATA & some level of democracy has taken hold creating civilian / military stakeholders for detente with India. The presence of ISIS in Afghanistan is a strategic threat for both Pakistan and India and threatens to disrupt energy supply from Central Asia.

Hope pakistan reads the tea leaves correctly and engages with India / Modi in the coming months


Hi,

That is an absolutely the thoughtless post that I have come across for the last whatever.

What benefit does pakistan gain since 2001 to have any terrorist activity against india.

None---zilch---nada---nothing---. But as india thinks that way----actually the indian public is MADE to think that way and when the peace depends on a terr strike---we then basically are at the mercy of any terr group---and it cannot work that way.

If there needs to be a resolve---it needs to be on the same standards as between the british govt and IRA / sin fein---that even when they were lobbing morat shells at 10 downing street---the negotiators would not walk away from the peace table---.

Pakistan is not going to walk away from china---by the time pakistan's economy gets better---china will be deeply imbeded in pakistan---.
 
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Once pakistani state drops terrorism against India, it does not face any military threat. Our bilateral engagement on trade and energy issues will take off dramatically. India will NEVER attack pakistan just because AmirKhan wants it. India will be faced with cataclysm no matter if it wins or loses. The frantic weapons shopping is to plug holes in our defence and achieve some strategic land, air / naval parity with China, to negotiate several geopolitical issues from a position of strength. Once war threat from India subsides, Pakistan would not be forced to obey Chinese diktats and have a better negotiating position with them regarding trade / infrastructure development.

Modi is sincere in his outreach to p

Hope pakistan reads the tea leaves correctly and engages with India / Modi in the coming months
Your country's national security adviser brags about funding TTP and BLA
Justifies its terror support in east Pakistan and in Sindh
It's operations from Afghan soil since 50s against Pakistan predate what your media has against Hafiz saeed
So please don't talk from arse since you only talk crap

If Modi is sincere then he should recall 80% of Indian military from Pakistani borders while we fight TTP and possible Daesh invasion from Afghanistan. But we know he won't
Instead we get threats of cold start and we found a cold stop solution for that since we are not berma or Nepal.

Hi,

A war against pakistan and china is a reality at this moment for the U S----. The chance that the U S has now to neutralize these two countries at this time---may not be available after the next 5 to 10 years----.

This would also mean to drop pakistan totally as an ally and start up with a full time engagement with India to be the fulcrum of military action against these two nations.

Gwadar port and a naval base that the chinese may have full access to in the future, is a big challenge for the U S navy to keep its control in the arena. As it has full control over china in the south china seas---it can strangulate the chinese trade routes and oil shipments coming into china.

But Gwadar port brings out new issues and a change in power structure and power projection for the americans. As it links china thru a railhead----an oil pipeline that would reach into china----and the immediate presence of a chinese naval flotilla in the arena would bring many a headaches to the U S.

The U S navy that has controlled the area with impunity----since the second world war---will be facing fierce competition in power positioning.

So---just a few days ago---the U S fired the first round across the bough of pakistan---thru its secretary defense and the issue brought up was the short range pakistani nucs. Now---how and why did the short range pakistani nucs become a threat to the U S is unfathomable---but their concern of its usage in India Pakistan conflict seems to be un-acceptable to the americans at this stage or in the future----.

So---the thing what one needs to ask is---what are the americans trying to say---and what do the americans mean when they want pakistan to curtail the production of the short range nucs and also reduce their numbers or just totally demolish them.

Another issue is---why does the U S want pakistan to do that---why has the U S made this demand when it does not effect the U S in any way.

Does it want to pi-ss off pakistan---does it want pakistan to show any reaction---does it want to push pakistan into a corner---so that pakistan reacts and the U S finds a justification to strike.

This strike will basically neutralize pakistan's assets completely---which will put india in a much stronger position in the region---and as pakistan's legs get chopped off----that means that china's security is in question.

Now why do I think that the U S has a chance to succeed now than later----because pakistan military has failed to meet its obligation to strengthen the force in the given time.

The given time was between after 2001 till 2011---a 10 years time period---in the first part and then 2015 in the second part.

The bad decision of not getting the french aircraft between 2002---2005 is haunting them right now in the JF 17 program. With that handled---the JF17 program would have been in full swing and the upper and lower tier aircraft in place and military focused on other issues---. But tragically---the force is still bogged down even after 12 years.

The the second option that became available was earlier this year in the form of Yemen coalition---and we failed again at that as well.


Here is what Pakistan is----IT IS A NATION WITH THE BRAIN OF A LITTLE CHILD---BUT THE BODY OF A MONSTER----and the ability to rain destruction that a monster can---but as it is still a child brain---it does not comprehend the power of destruction that it has over other nations---and that has those other nations worried out of wits.

So---when this second God given opportunity came----pakistan floundered one more time out of habit----. It still was not able to comprehend what those monstrous dark clouds far out in the horizon were headed out towards----. It just could not understand that those clouds were headed its way.

The Yemen coalition was another chance for pakistan to have strengthened its military and economic might---. With a little adjustment here and a little adjustment there----moving of some fighter aircraft from one region to another---making mutual protection deal thru the resources of friendly GCC states and pakistan would have been in the driving seat one more time.

Enough funds to deploy troops---procure 5 to 8 sqdrns of frontline aircraft----navy frigates between 3500 tonnes to 8000 tonnes and create an additional force of 150 K troops---. Of those a 75 K troops deployed in yemen with at least 4 sqdrn's of aircraft and naval ship and subs---which would have given pakistan military a massive control and fire power in the region.

50---75000 troops spread around two to three bases in yemen with full military strength to keep peace in the arena and another 75---100000 troops based in saudi arabia and emirates---bahrain and qatar.

The naval flotilla would have seen another 4---6 F22 type ships---possibly 2 type 054 type frigate and possible 1 type 052 frigate. For the air force----we could see around 36 to 50 Rafale MS----4---6 division of tanks and other complimentary armor resource---the cargo fleet of the gulf countries would suffice to do the job and additons could be made.

Primary job of 50000 troops created in the first year and the total of 150000 in a 3 to 5 years time period---. Secondary jobs of over 300000 to 500000 would also had been created to cater to the needs of the troops---also money sent home in remittance would better the lifestyle of the families---who would be spending more on construction etc etc etc.

But---as pakistan has chosen to reject that offer---it is going to find itself on the brink of a dark and nasty hole of death---destruction---and mayhem.

The situation looks extremely grim for pakistan and china. The U S military has tried many a imes to provoke china in the south china seas---its partner australia alos has tried to provoke china in the recent days as the U S----and these provocations are not going to stop.

The ante will be upped slowly but surely---and at times rapidly for china to react. For pakistan---it will be put under immense pressure one more time---and this pressure that it is going to be put under---pakistan did not need to find itself in this place at this time.

For the folly of Yemen---pakistan may end up losing its source of power. @Khafee @Indus Falcon @Irfan Baloch @Viper0011.
Re loosing decade to modernise military
It would have only helped against india
Any military strenght against USA is irrelevant. The only sure shot insurance against that was through political clout and support of GCC after joining Yemen war

But only if our leadership didn't sell itself cheap to Saudis. Knowing our helplessly pathetic negotiation skills we might have been made to live with some leftovers instead of a feast
 
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Hi,

The saudis would have paid a hefty sum if pakistan had agreed to send force in yemen and so would have the emiratis and qataris and bahrain--etc etc etc---.

Attacks on civilians in france and in san bernardino has changed the war scenario. Those who were sitting back and keeping quite have stood up and are pointing fingers---.

This is election year coming---and the war drums are already sounding very loud---. The republicans will sell whatever to get back into the white house---they are desperate---they sound angry---and they have a further desire for blood.

And the way the U S reacts---it won't take it a moment to cartwheel into action against pakistan directly or indirectly.

The threshold of war is one major terrorist attack in india----and under these circumstance---pakistan is between a rock and a hard place.

Truthfully----I do not like the silence from india for the last two months----it has the knell of death written over it.

Then some very aggressive and provocative flying by the U S and australia over south china seas---trying to pull china into acting stupid----.

All this unpredictability points towards one thing---some kind of a clash. The U S has the next 5 years to contain china---it would be extremely difficult after that and next to impossible after 10 years.




Hi,

That is an absolutely the thoughtless post that I have come across for the last whatever.

What benefit does pakistan gain since 2001 to have any terrorist activity against india.

None---zilch---nada---nothing---. But as india thinks that way----actually the indian public is MADE to think that way and when the peace depends on a terr strike---we then basically are at the mercy of any terr group---and it cannot work that way.

If there needs to be a resolve---it needs to be on the same standards as between the british govt and IRA / sin fein---that even when they were lobbing morat shells at 10 downing street---the negotiators would not walk away from the peace table---.

Pakistan is not going to walk away from china---by the time pakistan's economy gets better---china will be deeply imbeded in pakistan---.
Sir I agree with you mostly but what I think is USA would come after us because of Israel more than China. So we need to sign strategic and defence agreement with China and increase size of our Army as well as nukes and develop ballistic missiles. We also need to increase Navy by adding more ships but specially Destroyers and nuclear submarines. Finally we need bigger and advance Air Force. Yes our budget and economy sucks but we need act fast and develop both things, so we can increase and modernize our forces.
 
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Re loosing decade to modernise military
It would have only helped against india
Any military strenght against USA is irrelevant. The only sure shot insurance against that was through political clout and support of GCC after joining Yemen war

But only if our leadership didn't sell itself cheap to Saudis. Knowing our helplessly pathetic negotiation skills we might have been made to live with some leftovers instead of a feast

Hi,

Off course----the lost decade---absolutely it would help against india---but it would have secondary and tertiary effects as well.

The extra strength would have reduced the trumpets of war from india---pakistan and india would be more focused towards peace---thus the over all threat level in the region would be reduced---and pakistan would not have been threatening with tactical nucs all the time----thus it would not become an issue with the U S congress and pentagon.

And as india would be on a more friendlier terms---there would be no threat of war from either side---and as there would have been no war drums sounding from the region as loud as they are as now---the U S would have its priorities elsewhere.
 
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By the way---what is the purpose of a NEGATIVE rating----? What is the reason for that?

I have given reasons---I have a deployment plan in numbers ---I have a plan to secure pakistan---and put troops in GCC---and a systematic increase in numbers thru training---funds for the coalition and usage of the funds for the procurement major weapons systems etc----.

So---what is your problem with the thread.

Today is my 10th year on the forum---and what a wonderful way to do it---to butt heads with a colleague----? Et Tu Brutus
who is giving you negative rating?

sorry I thought I clicked reply
I have no issue with alternative views
I try to rationalise all differing opinions. although I seen Yemen as misadventure but understand your pragmatic and pure business approach towards it
 
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who is giving you negative rating?
who is giving you negative rating?

sorry I thought I clicked reply
I have no issue with alternative views
I try to rationalise all differing opinions. although I seen Yemen as misadventure but understand your pragmatic and pure business approach towards it

The one that disappeared just now---
 
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Hi,

Off course----the lost decade---absolutely it would help against india---but it would have secondary and tertiary effects as well.

The extra strength would have reduced the trumpets of war from india---pakistan and india would be more focused towards peace---thus the over all threat level in the region would be reduced---and pakistan would not have been threatening with tactical nucs all the time----thus it would not become an issue with the U S congress and pentagon.

And as india would be on a more friendlier terms---there would be no threat of war from either side---and as there would have been no war drums sounding from the region as loud as they are as now---the U S would have its priorities elsewhere.
You sharpen the sword before the battle not during, First the GCC should give us all the products you are talking about then Pakistan will be able to help them.
 
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The one that disappeared just now---

The one that disappeared just now---
was me. i was either thanking or replying. I just reviewed my ratings again.
sorry for that.

back to subject, I fear that we fail to convey our demands to even our friends and might have been happy with just a candy. Arab kings are very shrewd businessmen . not out of ill-will towards Pakistan but for their own sake they would be happy if our leadership fails to get a promise of political support in the halls of American decision making or some top end war toys.

exception to rule is rejecting f20 tiger sharks and acquiring f16s.

You sharpen the sword before the battle not during, First the GCC should give us all the products you are talking about then Pakistan will be able to help them.
when it comes to our civil military leaders count ourselves lucky if we even get them afterwords
 
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