TYPE 214 SUB VS AMUR 1650 SUB A Layman's analysis

[DrSomnath999]

Not going to happen, since it would require re-designs to fit VLS and it's not possible again with subs that has AIP propulsion.

but cant it be tube launched

 

[sancho]

but cant it be tube launched

No, should be too long, to big in diameter and too heavy to be moved inside the sub.

 

[DrSomnath999]

No, should be too long, to big in diameter and too heavy to be moved inside the sub.

sh^t man , it's a pity we cant use it as SLCM .we gottu find a submarine platform for it

 

[ptltejas]

Project 75 I

so things are getting interesting[/QUOTE]

How u post it cut paste?

 

[DrSomnath999]

FROM DTI FEB 2012 MAGAZINE

 

[DrSomnath999]

Russia Ranks Second in Submarine Exporters Rating

Russia is the world's second largest exporter of new submarines in the period of 2008-2015, reports World Arms Trade Analytic Center (WATAC).

According to WATAC, in the coming 4-year period (2012-2015) 15 new submarines will be exported worldwide to the amount of $6.25 bln in case all delivery schedules, declared intentions, and active tenders are fulfilled.

In the past 4-year period (2008-2011 ãã.), 11 new subs were either exported or built under license to the sum of about $4 bln.

Generally, 12 submarines were exported in that period for $4.1 bln. Sales volume of new subs was 91.66% out of overall number or 98.29% out of worldwide delivery costs.

Deliveries of new subs in 2012-2015 will grow by 36.36% in quantitative terms and by 55% in value terms.

In 2008-2011, worldwide average demand for new submarines was 3 pcs per year. In the next period, annual demand will rise up to almost 4 subs per year.

Below goes rating of world submarine exporters (countries are ranked depending on the number of already delivered or planned for delivery subs).

The given rating includes deliveries up to 2015 inclusively. Carry-over deliveries on available backlog of orders for 2016 and forth were not considered.

As of 2008-2015, the top position in the new submarine exporters rating is traditionally held by Germany (17 submarines for $6.4 bln) having steadily growing backlog. In the first 4-year period Germany exported 6 non-nuclear subs ($2.209 bln), stock of orders for 2012-2015 contains 11 new diesel submarines ($4.192 bln).

As noted above, Russia holds the second position (5 subs for $2.12 bln). In 2008-2011, Russia exported 2 conventional subs ($600 mln), estimated volume of deliveries in 2012-2015 will make 3 new submarines (including 10-year leasing of 1 nuclear sub) to the amount of $1.52 bln.

France closes the trio of world leaders (4 submarines for $1.766 bln). In the first 4-year period France exported 3 diesel submarines ($1.224 bln), delivery of 1 non-nuclear sub for $541.7 bln is expected in 2012-2015.

According to WATAC technique, category "new" includes newly-built subs, license programs, and deliveries of decommissioned submarines (modernized and having prolonged lifetime) which price at the time of delivery exceeds 50% of the same-type new submarine but not less than $100 mln.

Read full report on worldwide export of submarines on the World Arms Trade magazine (No. 5, May 2012).
Russia Ranks Second in Submarine Exporters Rating

 

[DrSomnath999]

FROM JANES DEFENCE WEEKLY 8TH AUGUST 2012

 

[DrSomnath999]

Indian Navy set to issue tender for new submarines
The Indian Navy is set to “very soon”issue a RfP (Request for Proposal or tender) for a new line of six submarines with AIP (Air Independent Propulsion) capability.

The requirement has been pending for quite a few years but the proposal for the new line, designated Project 75-I, has now being given firm clearance by the government, according to Indian Navy chief, Admiral DK Joshi.

Asked how soon is “very soon,” the naval chief told India Strategic defence magazine (..:: India Strategic ::.. Home Page: The authoritative monthly on Defence and Strategic Affairs.) that the Defence Acquisition Committee (DAC) had already cleared a note on Acceptance of Necessity (AON), the navy had finalized the RfP and it was in its last stage of formalities for clearance in the defence ministry.

As per procedures, depending on the money involved, AON has to be cleared by a competent authority. If the requirement involves more than Rs.1,000 crores ($200 million ), then it is by the DAC, headed by the defence minister. The approval was accorded just before the Navy Day on December 4, 2012.

AIP increases the mission life of a submarine by around three times, depending upon the task and parameters required. The capability enables a submarine to generate air onboard without the need to surface for breathing to recharge its batteries.

At present, none of the Indian submarines have this capability, and some of them can only be under water for only three to five days. The existing fleet of 14 diesel-electric submarines is rather weak despite the periodic upgrades, although some newer EW (Electronic Warfare) systems have been installed.

Submarines are about staying underwater as long as possible, and that is why nuclear power is used to keep them submerged for around three months, or to the limits of human endurance.

The new Project 75-I submarines should be huge in value, estimated at around $10 billion-plus, depending upon the offsets and transfer of technology (ToT).

At present, six new Scorpenes under Project 75 are being built for more than $5 billion (Rs 23,562 crore) by the state-run Mazagon Dock Ltd. (MDL) under licence from the French DCNS company.

MDL is also hoping to get the new Project 75-I line but it has substantial work in hand for years – 14 ships in addition to the six Scorpenes. The experience gained in building the Scorpenes though should be extremely useful and must not get wasted.

AIP is also being considered for the last two of the existing line of Scorpenes by installing plugs – about eight meters in length and the same diameter as that of the submarine. Admiral Joshi said that the (Defence Research and Development Organisation) DRDO was working on building these plugs, but that if this entailed delay, “we will not wait”.

The Scorpene project is already late by three years, with the first submarine scheduled to be out in June 2015 – instead of 2012 – and the last in September 2018.

DCNS has offered to build the plugs and some negotiations have taken place with it. Nonetheless, DRDO’s Naval Materials Research Laboratory (NMRL) at Ambernath in Maharashtra is working on the project to bring in some indigenous capability and content.

About the Project 75-I, defence ministry sources said that its Department of Defence Production was working on fine-tuning some features like Who-Will-Do-What among the Indian shipyards and the suppliers in terms of sub-systems and weapons. Details on offsets and ToT, which have a sizeable bearing on the costs, are also being given the last touches.

Notably, the defence offsets policy mandates a minimum investment of 30 percent to be put back in a related defence industrial venture in India, but in the biggest defence contract that is now being negotiated for the French Rafale Multi Role Combat Aircraft (MRCA), this figure is 50 percent.

As per indications, the RfP for the submarines should be out even in January 2013, or latest by March before the financial year 2012-13 ends.

The Indian Navy’s current fleet of conventional diesel-electric submarines is quite old.

There are four HDW Shishumar class submarines acquired from Germany and 10 Kilo Sindhughosh class from Russia, both from 1986 onwards. The service life of a submarine is estimated at around 20 years, but because of political indecision after the allegations over the purchase of Bofors guns from Sweden, the modernization process of the Navy – along with that of the Army and Indian Air Force – suffered.

In 1998, the then naval chief, Admiral Vishnu Bhagwat, projected a requirement of a 24-submarine fleet in the navy’s long-term vision for 30 years. In 1999, the Cabinet Committee on Security (CCS) – the apex body headed by the prime minister – approved the plan for their indigenous construction in two lines.

The Scorpenes are being built in India to gain experience and indigenous support capability. India had gained some earlier with the induction of HDW boats but as there was no follow-on programme, that experience was lost and all those involved in the project have retired.

The only direct submarine acquisition of the Indian Navy after the HDW and Kilo submarines is that of the single nuclear power attack submarine (SSN) INS Chakra from Russia in 2012. There are also some technical issues with it, and during his recent to New Delhi, Russian President Vladimir Putin promised to have them sorted out ASAP.

An SSN is a nuclear propelled but not nuclear armed submarine. The conventionally-powered diesel electric submarines are knows as the SSK class.

Indian Navy set to issue tender for new submarines | idrw.org

 

[DrSomnath999]

RFP for $11.8-billion Indian Navy submarine project soon

The request for proposals (RFPs) for the $11.8-bn Project 75-I submarines of the Indian Navy is expected to be issued shortly.

Senior officials in the ministry of defence (MoD) told FE, ‘‘By mid-September-October, the delayed RFP will be issued. The Defence Acquisition Committee had already cleared the proposal; however, it was not issued as some more changes were made to the initial document.’’

‘‘Two submarines would be acquired from a selected foreign shipyard and the remaining four would be built by the state-owned Mazagon Dock and Hindustan Shipyard. Apart from plans to allow private local shipbuilders to participate in this project, the BrahMos’ naval version is expected to be added on to these submarines.’’ The BrahMos missile is fully ready for fitment in the Project 75-I(India) submarines of the Indian Navy in vertical launch configuration, which will make the platform (submarine) one of the most powerful weapon platforms in the world,” said BrahMos CMD and CEO A Sivathanu Pillai, after the underwater Brahmos Launch.

Foreign companies, including Rosoboronexport’s Amur 1650 (Russia), DCNS’s Scorpene (France), HDW Type 214 (Germany) and Navantia’s S-80 (Spain) were the possible candidates for the P75-I $11.8-billion project. However, officials said the Spanish company has withdrawn its technical specifications due to weight issues with their submarine.

With dismal underwater combat capability due to the tardy rate of acquisition of submarines, the Indian Navy plans to oversee and fast-track all its submarine acquisition plans to match its fleet with that of its neighbouring countries.

The primary focus of the Indian Navy is the Project-75 India (P-75i) programme, wherein the acquisition of six new stealth submarines, equipped with both tube-launched missiles for land-attack capabilities as well as AIP (air-independent propulsion) for enhanced underwater capability, is envisaged. The plan is to directly import two submarines from the foreign collaborator eventually selected, with the next three being built at MDL in Mumbai, and the sixth at Hindustan Shipyard in Visakhapatnam under transfer of technology.

While the Indian Navy has been anxious to get the P-75i project rolling, the earlier programme — Project-75, which involves construction of six Scorpene submarines at the state-owned Mazagon Docks, in collaboration with DCNS of France — has been delayed until 2015.

India has almost all major components of P 75i ready indigenously. Larsen & Toubro’s UG NX5 & PLM Software Team Centre has the capability for design and development of structural and engineering parts. With design inputs from DRDO and Indian Navy’s design outfit, L&T’s Submarine Design Centre created detailed engineering for nuclear submarine, INS Arihant, using the latest 3D modeling and product data management software. L&T- built launchers have been used for firing both underwater Brahmos Missile and nuclear-capable 750-km K-15/B-05 missiles. The company also devised the firing circuit for BrahMos on the lines of Harpoon missile.

RFP for $11.8-billion Indian Navy submarine project soon | idrw.org

 

[DrSomnath999]

India to fast track multiple submarine deals

After losing INS Sindhurakshak in a fire last week which gutted the submarine killing all 18 several crew members. India is fast tracking many deals to lease , purchase or import submarines to reinforce depleting submarine fleet of Indian navy . Loss of INS Sindhurakshak was a big blow to Indian Navy , not only was it recently upgraded submarine but also one of the youngest ( 16 years) submarine in Naval arsenal .

The request for proposals (RFPs) for the $11.8-bn Project 75-I submarines of the Indian Navy is expected to be issued shortly. But Navy has made some changes and Two submarines would be acquired from a selected foreign shipyard and the remaining four would be built by the state-owned Mazagon Dock and Hindustan Shipyard. Apart from plans to allow private local shipbuilders to participate in this project.

India is also Negotiating with Russia on leasing Second Akula II class ‘Nerpa’ Nuclear submarine . under Project 75 India will get first Scorpene submarine which will join Indian Navy only in 2015 or later due to four years delays faced in the project . on event of loss of INS Sindhurakshak India is considering leasing two Diesel powered Kilo submarines from Russia , but according to Defence Analysts current Kilo submarines in Russian fleet are not upgraded to latest standard and it is unlikely that Russian Navy will have extra kilo submarines to spare .

According to Naval sources India may ask winner of Project 75-I for leasing of such submarines from their fleet if Russia cannot provide Kilo submarines , Foreign companies, including Rosoboron export’s Amur 1650 (Russia), DCNS’s Scorpene (France), HDW Type 214 (Germany) and Navantia’s S-80 (Spain) were the possible candidates for the P75-I $11.8-billion project. However, officials said the Spanish company has withdrawn its technical specifications due to weight issues with their submarine.

Under Project 75-I Diesel Submarines are going to be a bigger submarine than Scorpène and will be equipped with both tube-launched missiles for land-attack capabilities as well as AIP (air-independent propulsion) for enhanced underwater capability, SLCM BrahMos will also be a standard fitment in this submarines .

India to fast track multiple submarine deals | idrw.org

India to fast track multiple submarine deals

After losing INS Sindhurakshak in a fire last week which gutted the submarine killing all 18 several crew members. India is fast tracking many deals to lease , purchase or import submarines to reinforce depleting submarine fleet of Indian navy . Loss of INS Sindhurakshak was a big blow to Indian Navy , not only was it recently upgraded submarine but also one of the youngest ( 16 years) submarine in Naval arsenal .

The request for proposals (RFPs) for the $11.8-bn Project 75-I submarines of the Indian Navy is expected to be issued shortly. But Navy has made some changes and Two submarines would be acquired from a selected foreign shipyard and the remaining four would be built by the state-owned Mazagon Dock and Hindustan Shipyard. Apart from plans to allow private local shipbuilders to participate in this project.

India is also Negotiating with Russia on leasing Second Akula II class ‘Nerpa’ Nuclear submarine . under Project 75 India will get first Scorpene submarine which will join Indian Navy only in 2015 or later due to four years delays faced in the project . on event of loss of INS Sindhurakshak India is considering leasing two Diesel powered Kilo submarines from Russia , but according to Defence Analysts current Kilo submarines in Russian fleet are not upgraded to latest standard and it is unlikely that Russian Navy will have extra kilo submarines to spare .

According to Naval sources India may ask winner of Project 75-I for leasing of such submarines from their fleet if Russia cannot provide Kilo submarines , Foreign companies, including Rosoboron export’s Amur 1650 (Russia), DCNS’s Scorpene (France), HDW Type 214 (Germany) and Navantia’s S-80 (Spain) were the possible candidates for the P75-I $11.8-billion project. However, officials said the Spanish company has withdrawn its technical specifications due to weight issues with their submarine.

Under Project 75-I Diesel Submarines are going to be a bigger submarine than Scorpène and will be equipped with both tube-launched missiles for land-attack capabilities as well as AIP (air-independent propulsion) for enhanced underwater capability, SLCM BrahMos will also be a standard fitment in this submarines .

http://idrw.org/?p=26148

 

[sardar1987]

India to fast track multiple submarine deals

After losing INS Sindhurakshak in a fire last week which gutted the submarine killing all 18 several crew members. India is fast tracking many deals to lease , purchase or import submarines to reinforce depleting submarine fleet of Indian navy . Loss of INS Sindhurakshak was a big blow to Indian Navy , not only was it recently upgraded submarine but also one of the youngest ( 16 years) submarine in Naval arsenal .

The request for proposals (RFPs) for the $11.8-bn Project 75-I submarines of the Indian Navy is expected to be issued shortly. But Navy has made some changes and Two submarines would be acquired from a selected foreign shipyard and the remaining four would be built by the state-owned Mazagon Dock and Hindustan Shipyard. Apart from plans to allow private local shipbuilders to participate in this project.

India is also Negotiating with Russia on leasing Second Akula II class ‘Nerpa’ Nuclear submarine . under Project 75 India will get first Scorpene submarine which will join Indian Navy only in 2015 or later due to four years delays faced in the project . on event of loss of INS Sindhurakshak India is considering leasing two Diesel powered Kilo submarines from Russia , but according to Defence Analysts current Kilo submarines in Russian fleet are not upgraded to latest standard and it is unlikely that Russian Navy will have extra kilo submarines to spare .

According to Naval sources India may ask winner of Project 75-I for leasing of such submarines from their fleet if Russia cannot provide Kilo submarines , Foreign companies, including Rosoboron export’s Amur 1650 (Russia), DCNS’s Scorpene (France), HDW Type 214 (Germany) and Navantia’s S-80 (Spain) were the possible candidates for the P75-I $11.8-billion project. However, officials said the Spanish company has withdrawn its technical specifications due to weight issues with their submarine.

Under Project 75-I Diesel Submarines are going to be a bigger submarine than Scorpène and will be equipped with both tube-launched missiles for land-attack capabilities as well as AIP (air-independent propulsion) for enhanced underwater capability, SLCM BrahMos will also be a standard fitment in this submarines .

India to fast track multiple submarine deals | idrw.org

India to fast track multiple submarine deals

After losing INS Sindhurakshak in a fire last week which gutted the submarine killing all 18 several crew members. India is fast tracking many deals to lease , purchase or import submarines to reinforce depleting submarine fleet of Indian navy . Loss of INS Sindhurakshak was a big blow to Indian Navy , not only was it recently upgraded submarine but also one of the youngest ( 16 years) submarine in Naval arsenal .

The request for proposals (RFPs) for the $11.8-bn Project 75-I submarines of the Indian Navy is expected to be issued shortly. But Navy has made some changes and Two submarines would be acquired from a selected foreign shipyard and the remaining four would be built by the state-owned Mazagon Dock and Hindustan Shipyard. Apart from plans to allow private local shipbuilders to participate in this project.

India is also Negotiating with Russia on leasing Second Akula II class ‘Nerpa’ Nuclear submarine . under Project 75 India will get first Scorpene submarine which will join Indian Navy only in 2015 or later due to four years delays faced in the project . on event of loss of INS Sindhurakshak India is considering leasing two Diesel powered Kilo submarines from Russia , but according to Defence Analysts current Kilo submarines in Russian fleet are not upgraded to latest standard and it is unlikely that Russian Navy will have extra kilo submarines to spare .

According to Naval sources India may ask winner of Project 75-I for leasing of such submarines from their fleet if Russia cannot provide Kilo submarines , Foreign companies, including Rosoboron export’s Amur 1650 (Russia), DCNS’s Scorpene (France), HDW Type 214 (Germany) and Navantia’s S-80 (Spain) were the possible candidates for the P75-I $11.8-billion project. However, officials said the Spanish company has withdrawn its technical specifications due to weight issues with their submarine.

Under Project 75-I Diesel Submarines are going to be a bigger submarine than Scorpène and will be equipped with both tube-launched missiles for land-attack capabilities as well as AIP (air-independent propulsion) for enhanced underwater capability, SLCM BrahMos will also be a standard fitment in this submarines .

India to fast track multiple submarine deals | idrw.org

Yaar pls go to su-30 forum and give ur opinion on the equipment posted there

And what about scorpene with mesma aip vs these 2 options

RFP for $11.8-billion Indian Navy submarine project soon

The request for proposals (RFPs) for the $11.8-bn Project 75-I submarines of the Indian Navy is expected to be issued shortly.

Senior officials in the ministry of defence (MoD) told FE, ‘‘By mid-September-October, the delayed RFP will be issued. The Defence Acquisition Committee had already cleared the proposal; however, it was not issued as some more changes were made to the initial document.’’

‘‘Two submarines would be acquired from a selected foreign shipyard and the remaining four would be built by the state-owned Mazagon Dock and Hindustan Shipyard. Apart from plans to allow private local shipbuilders to participate in this project, the BrahMos’ naval version is expected to be added on to these submarines.’’ The BrahMos missile is fully ready for fitment in the Project 75-I(India) submarines of the Indian Navy in vertical launch configuration, which will make the platform (submarine) one of the most powerful weapon platforms in the world,” said BrahMos CMD and CEO A Sivathanu Pillai, after the underwater Brahmos Launch.

Foreign companies, including Rosoboronexport’s Amur 1650 (Russia), DCNS’s Scorpene (France), HDW Type 214 (Germany) and Navantia’s S-80 (Spain) were the possible candidates for the P75-I $11.8-billion project. However, officials said the Spanish company has withdrawn its technical specifications due to weight issues with their submarine.

With dismal underwater combat capability due to the tardy rate of acquisition of submarines, the Indian Navy plans to oversee and fast-track all its submarine acquisition plans to match its fleet with that of its neighbouring countries.

The primary focus of the Indian Navy is the Project-75 India (P-75i) programme, wherein the acquisition of six new stealth submarines, equipped with both tube-launched missiles for land-attack capabilities as well as AIP (air-independent propulsion) for enhanced underwater capability, is envisaged. The plan is to directly import two submarines from the foreign collaborator eventually selected, with the next three being built at MDL in Mumbai, and the sixth at Hindustan Shipyard in Visakhapatnam under transfer of technology.

While the Indian Navy has been anxious to get the P-75i project rolling, the earlier programme — Project-75, which involves construction of six Scorpene submarines at the state-owned Mazagon Docks, in collaboration with DCNS of France — has been delayed until 2015.

India has almost all major components of P 75i ready indigenously. Larsen & Toubro’s UG NX5 & PLM Software Team Centre has the capability for design and development of structural and engineering parts. With design inputs from DRDO and Indian Navy’s design outfit, L&T’s Submarine Design Centre created detailed engineering for nuclear submarine, INS Arihant, using the latest 3D modeling and product data management software. L&T- built launchers have been used for firing both underwater Brahmos Missile and nuclear-capable 750-km K-15/B-05 missiles. The company also devised the firing circuit for BrahMos on the lines of Harpoon missile.

RFP for $11.8-billion Indian Navy submarine project soon | idrw.org

But does hdw 214 come with vls??sorry am too lazy to go back and read

 

[Black Eagle 90]

PLZ NOTE ANYONE HAVING DIFFICULTY VIEWING THE PICS THEN KINDLY SAVE IT TO UR COMPUTER & THEN ZOOM IT FOR BETTER VIEW

1.INTRODUCTION

AMUR 1650 SUBMARINE
• It is a new 4th gen diesel electric ,export version submarine which is have been laid down at the Admiralteiskiye Verfi
state-owned shipyard in St. Petersburg.Designed to destroy hostile submarines and surface ships, to protect friendly naval bases, seacoast and communications, as well as to carry out reconnaissance missions.

TYPE 214 SUBMARINE
• The Type 214 is a diesel-electric submarine developed by Howaldtswerke-Deutsche Werft GmbH (HDW). It features diesel propulsion with an air-independent propulsion (AIP) system using Siemens polymer electrolyte membrane (PEM) hydrogen fuel cells. The Type 214 submarine is derived from the Type 212, but as an export variant it lacks some of the classified technologies of its smaller predecessor.

It is well equipped to undertake a wide scope of missions ranging from operations in littoral waters to ocean-going patrols. The modular weapon and sensor mix, in combination with the submarine's air-independent features, makes the Class 214 predestined for
•anti-surface ship and anti-submarine operations
•intelligence, surveillance and reconnaissance tasks
•Special Forces operations.
Howaldtswerke-Deutsche Werft GmbH


2.SIZE

AMUR 1650 SUBMARINE
• surface displacement: 1765 m³ /1,675 tons
• Submerged displacement:2500-2600 m³/2,800 tons
• length: 66.8 m
• pressure hull diameter: 7.1 m
• Height :8.2m
http://www.ckb-rubin.ru/fileadmin/editor/listovki/Amur_1650_eng.pdf
Amur / Lada Class - Project 677

TYPE 214 SUBMARINE

• surface displacement:1,690 t (surface)
• Submerged displacement:1,860 t (Submerged)
• length: 213 feet 3 inches (65 m)
• pressure hull diameter: 20 feet 8 inches (6.3 m)
• Height :19 feet 8 inches (6 m)
Type 214 submarine - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Scorpene vs T-212 vs T-214

so amur 1650 is considerably larger sub than type 214 sub

3.PERFORMANCE

AMUR 1650 SUBMARINE
• Speed:19 kts (submerged)
• Diving depth:300m-(maximum)
• Range: (AIP) 300 -500 nm
snorkel),4000 -6000nm
http://www.ckb-rubin.ru/fileadmin/editor/listovki/Amur_1650_eng.pdf
Amur / Lada Class - Project 677

TYPE 214 SUBMARINE

• Speed:20 kt submerged / fuel cells: 2-6 kt estimated
• Diving depth: more than 250 m officially, 400 m estimated
• Range: 420 nmi @ 8 kt (780 km @ 15 km/h) submerged
: 1,248 nmi @ 4 kt (2,310 km @ 7 km/h) fuel cells
Type 214 submarine - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

so type 214 has much better performance in terms of range & speed & DIVING DEPTH as compare to AMUR 1650 SUB

4.STRUCTURE

AMUR 1650 SUBMARINE

•Amur 1650 is a single-hull, single-shaft submarine with two reserve propulsors.

•The submarine has a solid hull made of unique highstrength steel alloys,

•According to Rubin, the ship features a new efficient antisonar coating of the hull new generation “Molniya” (“Lightning”).

•The submarine hull also has a new multi-layered rubber cover providing almost complete absorption of own noises
generated by submarine mechanisms, and sonar echo signals.

• The submarine, its propulsion plant, machinery and weapons systems can be controlled either from the main control room or from separate battle stations.

http://www.roe.ru/cataloque/navy/navy_10-14.pdf
http://spsnavalforces.net/ebook/21032011.pdf
Russian Military Forces | Aviation | Navy | Infantry firearms | Communications | Ground systems | Weapon photogallery


TYPE 214 SUBMARINE

•Type 214 is a single hull,& made up of HY-80/HY-100 High Tensile steel

•A hull shape, which has been further optimised for hydrodynamic and stealth characteristics, and a low-noise propeller combine to decrease the submarine's acoustic signature.

U212 / U214 - Naval Technology

well structurally both are built keeping stealth as top priority in construction ,but AMUR 1650 external structure coating is better compare to type 214 ,while Type 214 hull sectioning & shaping are more stealth optimized than AMUR 1650


5.PROPULSION

AMUR 1650 SUBMARINE

• The submarine's propulsion system integrates two diesel generators, a main electric propulsion motor, two air independent propulsion (AIP) systems and a single shaft driving on a skewed seven-bladed propeller

• An Air Independent Propulsion (AIP) system based on oxygen-hydrogen fuel cells is being offered for Amur-class submarines as option to achieve extended immersion endurance.


• The new diesel-electric propulsion system is arranged in a modular compartment which can be plugged into the basic submarine. A radio electronic equipment of a new generation, variable-speed permanent-magnet propulsion motor and storage battery with increased service life are provided to the 4th generation Russian non-nuclear submarine.


Project 677 Lada Class / Project 1650 Amur Class Submarines - Naval Technology
Amur 1650
Amur / Lada Class - Project 677

TYPE 214 SUBMARINE

• In the current design, propulsion is provided by two MTU 16 V 396 engines (2,000 kW) serving a 600-900 V propulsion battery with a fully integrated auxiliary AIP system based on two PEM (polymer electrolyte membrane ) 120 kW fuel cell modules.

• The propulsion motor is a Siemens Permasyn (type FR6439-3900 KW) low-speed permanently excited electric motor driving a Low-noise, skewback 7- blade propeller.
Hellenic U214 pics (Greek Turkish Affairs Forum)
Scorpene vs T-212 vs T-214

• It has an electrical propulsion system based on a silver oxide and aluminium battery.

well TYPE 214 SUBMARINE has much better propulsion than AMUR 1650 SUBMARINE thanks to it's better & efficient AIP system although both have skewed seven-bladed propeller .

In short IN should move a deal for:

6 Amur 1650
6 Amur 950

6 Scorpion
6 Andrsta

 

[DrSomnath999]

it's damn funny IDRW .org in this link have taken pics from my thread
& cleverly mentioning that the above image is not copy right protected .
Russia and Germany Eye Project-75I , Battle Heats Up | idrw.org
Yes it true i dont have copyrights on those images becoz i myself dont give a sh!t about copyright

but i am happy my work is appreciated

CHEERS

 

[BDforever]

it's damn funny IDRW .org in this link have taken pics from my thread
& cleverly mentioning that the above image is not copy right protected .
Russia and Germany Eye Project-75I , Battle Heats Up | idrw.org
Yes it true i dont have copyrights on those images becoz i myself dont give a sh!t about copyright

but i am happy my work is appreciated

CHEERS

i really appreciate your effort

 

[PRINCE_THE_SHOWSTOPPER]

i really appreciate your effort

Keno mekur're loy'ya submarine chorben naki??