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https://thediplomat.com/2019/07/the-future-of-chinas-amphibious-assault-fleet/

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This photo has very good illustration of bridge but not the hull and deck.
 
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Basically about 90% of the hull structure is completed. Air intake and smoke exhaust funnel has not been fitted yet. The helicopter lifts may yet to be fitted. It shall be able to be launched as soon as the second hull in the same yard has been built up to the extend that it can be floated.

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So, how many months since the very first real photo of the 075 LHD at the construction was circulated? :-)

I don't think any one here ever guessed such construction speed back then! Me either :-)

Just read Hendrik_2000@SDF:

Correct but the speed of fitting out and trial are much slower average 2 to 3 years from launching to commissioning
They need to speed up on trial and fitting out. China need all hand on deck now that the global security situation is heating up
 
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aside from ASW & AEW support for other vessels, is there actually any other use for this ship!

for evacuating people you dont need a 40k ton vessel, the 071 has already shown that it is quite capable of doing so, the only case in which you need the 075 would be in a very hostile enviroment, in which case you would need to use attack helicopters to provide a cover for transport helicopters that are trying to evacuate people.

as for Taiwan, it is only 200km away or less from the mainland, meaning if the use of the 075 is to provide helicopters then in this case the 075 would be absolutely useless because helicopters from the main land could easly reach Taiwan and the helis could probably go back & forth 4 times or more within 24 hours transporting soldiers.

modern war is all about range & minimizing risks & always taking the safest route, no matter how much you trust your weapons if there is a safer way to wage war then take it, that is to strike your enemy from a range they can't harm you, using the 075 to ferry troops in the straight would be by far the riskiest route to take, do you really want to put a thousand soldier in a single ship & station it near hostile shores of a relatively advanced country? no matter how many Taiwanese anti ship missiles you take out (with preemptive airstrikes & anti-missile defences) there is always a chance some of them would survive & if the type 075 is 10km or less away from Taiwan then it would take just few seconds for anti-ship missiles to reach the 075 giving the 075 very tiny reaction time & increasing the chances of it being sunk, the loss of a 075 would not only result in the death of more than a thousand soldier but also significantly demoralize China.

in case of a war to liberate Taiwan, the safest way to do it would be the following:

first accuire 2000 land based cruise & ballistic missiles specificaly for Taiwan, second detect & chase all Taiwanese submarines, once that is done give an ultimatum on the tv to Taiwan, once negotiations start tell the Taiwanese negotiaters in the face "we have 2000 missiles ready to be fired at any second now, if you dont accept the one country two systems then invasion will happen and all military & political leadership in Taiwan will be excuted & Taiwan will get zero autonomy", in case if they refuse then commence the bombing & see if they accept a deal after one weak, if they don't then kill their political leadership & continue the bombing for few more weaks, this should result in the death of few dozens of thousands of Taiwanese soldiers and for sure they will surrender & if they dont? will just send in soldiers using helicopters
 
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aside from ASW & AEW support for other vessels, is there actually any other use for this ship!

for evacuating people you dont need a 40k ton vessel, the 071 has already shown that it is quite capable of doing so, the only case in which you need the 075 would be in a very hostile enviroment, in which case you would need to use attack helicopters to provide a cover for transport helicopters that are trying to evacuate people.

as for Taiwan, it is only 200km away or less from the mainland, meaning if the use of the 075 is to provide helicopters then in this case the 075 would be absolutely useless because helicopters from the main land could easly reach Taiwan and the helis could probably go back & forth 4 times or more within 24 hours transporting soldiers.

modern war is all about range & minimizing risks & always taking the safest route, no matter how much you trust your weapons if there is a safer way to wage war then take it, that is to strike your enemy from a range they can't harm you, using the 075 to ferry troops in the straight would be by far the riskiest route to take, do you really want to put a thousand soldier in a single ship & station it near hostile shores of a relatively advanced country? no matter how many Taiwanese anti ship missiles you take out (with preemptive airstrikes & anti-missile defences) there is always a chance some of them would survive & if the type 075 is 10km or less away from Taiwan then it would take just few seconds for anti-ship missiles to reach the 075 giving the 075 very tiny reaction time & increasing the chances of it being sunk, the loss of a 075 would not only result in the death of more than a thousand soldier but also significantly demoralize China.

in case of a war to liberate Taiwan, the safest way to do it would be the following:

first accuire 2000 land based cruise & ballistic missiles specificaly for Taiwan, second detect & chase all Taiwanese submarines, once that is done give an ultimatum on the tv to Taiwan, once negotiations start tell the Taiwanese negotiaters in the face "we have 2000 missiles ready to be fired at any second now, if you dont accept the one country two systems then invasion will happen and all military & political leadership in Taiwan will be excuted & Taiwan will get zero autonomy", in case if they refuse then commence the bombing & see if they accept a deal after one weak, if they don't then kill their political leadership & continue the bombing for few more weaks, this should result in the death of few dozens of thousands of Taiwanese soldiers and for sure they will surrender & if they dont? will just send in soldiers using helicopters

I have to disagree with you on this one. Movable airports like this provide a lot of flexibility and unpredictability. They are especially useful for encircling and sieging a weaker adversary. Think about it, if all aircraft are based in mainland then Taiwan air defense would know where to concentrate its air defense and radar, but if multiple aircraft carriers encircle Taiwan, it's like a game of cat and mouse, but the mouse is caged and the cat can attack from any directions.

Also, being movable, they are hard to be targeted by ballistic missiles. In the case of Taiwan, the first thing China would do is to bomb all the major airports in Taiwan.
 
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aside from ASW & AEW support for other vessels, is there actually any other use for this ship!

for evacuating people you dont need a 40k ton vessel, the 071 has already shown that it is quite capable of doing so, the only case in which you need the 075 would be in a very hostile enviroment, in which case you would need to use attack helicopters to provide a cover for transport helicopters that are trying to evacuate people.

as for Taiwan, it is only 200km away or less from the mainland, meaning if the use of the 075 is to provide helicopters then in this case the 075 would be absolutely useless because helicopters from the main land could easly reach Taiwan and the helis could probably go back & forth 4 times or more within 24 hours transporting soldiers.

modern war is all about range & minimizing risks & always taking the safest route, no matter how much you trust your weapons if there is a safer way to wage war then take it, that is to strike your enemy from a range they can't harm you, using the 075 to ferry troops in the straight would be by far the riskiest route to take, do you really want to put a thousand soldier in a single ship & station it near hostile shores of a relatively advanced country? no matter how many Taiwanese anti ship missiles you take out (with preemptive airstrikes & anti-missile defences) there is always a chance some of them would survive & if the type 075 is 10km or less away from Taiwan then it would take just few seconds for anti-ship missiles to reach the 075 giving the 075 very tiny reaction time & increasing the chances of it being sunk, the loss of a 075 would not only result in the death of more than a thousand soldier but also significantly demoralize China.

in case of a war to liberate Taiwan, the safest way to do it would be the following:

first accuire 2000 land based cruise & ballistic missiles specificaly for Taiwan, second detect & chase all Taiwanese submarines, once that is done give an ultimatum on the tv to Taiwan, once negotiations start tell the Taiwanese negotiaters in the face "we have 2000 missiles ready to be fired at any second now, if you dont accept the one country two systems then invasion will happen and all military & political leadership in Taiwan will be excuted & Taiwan will get zero autonomy", in case if they refuse then commence the bombing & see if they accept a deal after one weak, if they don't then kill their political leadership & continue the bombing for few more weaks, this should result in the death of few dozens of thousands of Taiwanese soldiers and for sure they will surrender & if they dont? will just send in soldiers using helicopters
This scenario doesn't account for any United States retaliation, which would be all but guaranteed. Killing the political leadership with targeted precision strikes is also probably extremely difficult giving Taiwan's advanced infrastructure. In short, there is no way to force Taiwan to surrender except for a massive Chinese invasion that will likely kill hundreds of thousands of PLA and Taiwanese soldiers and even more Taiwanese civilians (not to mention dealing with the US navy). In short, this scenario is impossible.
 
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Updated and revised from previous CG. Using similar radar, sensors and air defence weapons as those of type 054A frigates (minus main gun and missiles)?

should 075 LHD used better radar like AESA type? seems Type 382 radar too standard 3D radar...
 
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should 075 LHD used better radar like AESA type? seems Type 382 radar too standard 3D radar...
We have to wait and see if type 075 will be fitted with one, or may be on the larger type 075A.

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US Navy USS America has different radar set up.
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the type 075 definitly needs a STOVL like the F-35B, while the payload & range of such aircraft is less than that of one taking off with the aid of a catapult, the speed, air defence & strike capability & survivability is undoubtedly far much great than that of a helicopter.
Russia is already developing one:-
https://www.navyrecognition.com/ind...aft-on-instructions-from-president-putin.html
developing an STOVL aircraft can be costly & time consuming so if China can't provide an STOVL in the next 15 years, they could always just buy them from Russia and China won't need too many of them any way, if they intend to have 6-9 type 075 & 6 STOVL aircrafts for each one they would only need 36-54 aircrafts which isn't that much large of number.
 
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the type 075 definitly needs a STOVL like the F-35B, while the payload & range of such aircraft is less than that of one taking off with the aid of a catapult, the speed, air defence & strike capability & survivability is undoubtedly far much great than that of a helicopter.
Russia is already developing one:-
https://www.navyrecognition.com/ind...aft-on-instructions-from-president-putin.html
developing an STOVL aircraft can be costly & time consuming so if China can't provide an STOVL in the next 15 years, they could always just buy them from Russia and China won't need too many of them any way, if they intend to have 6-9 type 075 & 6 STOVL aircrafts for each one they would only need 36-54 aircrafts which isn't that much large of number.
China doesn't need STOVL aircrafts in the near future.
 
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China doesn't need STOVL aircrafts in the near future.
a minimum amount of air defence for the other vessels is needed, China cannot have a ski jump or catapult equipped carrier near every group of vessels, STOVL aircrafts for the 075 would not only complement the main carriers but also signifacntly boost strike capability & survivabilty of the 075, the Americans even train their pilots to take out cruise missiles, the 075 with STOVL could do that too.

actually forget about waiting 15 years, the moment Russia's STOVL aircraft is ready China should immediatly buy dozens of it, why you may ask? well they could use some of those to study them (ie:a little bit of reverse engineering).
 
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a minimum amount of air defence for the other vessels is needed, China cannot have a ski jump or catapult equipped carrier near every group of vessels, STOVL aircrafts for the 075 would not only complement the main carriers but also signifacntly boost strike capability & survivabilty of the 075, the Americans even train their pilots to take out cruise missiles, the 075 with STOVL could do that too.

actually forget about waiting 15 years, the moment Russia's STOVL aircraft is ready China should immediatly buy dozens of it, why you may ask? well they could use some of those to study them (ie:a little bit of reverse engineering).
STOVL aircrafts are very important to the countries that only have LHD.

But to China, LHD doesn't need to do the job of CV or CVN, as marines don't have to operate independently, unlike USA.
 
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