Post statistics from credible sources, instead of one or two events that happen in every country in the world, and I'll be the first to agree that that really is news!
Read the forum title.. Current Events/Social issues.. If it is that insignificant then move to the thread bin..
I totally agree though, that gang rapes happen everywhere, including Pakistan. There you go, that kind of throws your nationalist theory off the Hindu Kush!
No one in the right frame of mind would deny that.. but ultra-nationalistics will never condemn it and at least not w/o bringing in their arch enemies in the picture.. There I Kargiled your assertion...
The difference between what I posted and what you posted, is that yours is just a weak attempt at some sort of image defamation of Pakistan (when you full know that gang rapes happen all over the world, even more so in India).
Defaming Pak in a Pak defence forum? I am not upto such foolish/doomed misadventures...
What I posted from the gay site (and other sites of greater repute), was a statistical fact that really was news regarding the degree of homosexuality in India. You can, I hope see the difference between posting an instance of something we know happens all over the world, and posting a statistical fact from a credible source, like I did.
I posted a Current Event/Social Issue which occured in Pak ... I was not trying to defame another country by taking help of pornographic sites, and conjuring up stats, doing research from sites of (greater) repute (than pornographic ones)
Too bad the current event/social issue happened to portray Pak in a badlight... Are such events and issues in Pak's arch-rival nation? Yes.. do they get posted? Yes.. Should I bother posting them? we have some very active Pak members I would be doing them a disservice..
Right, but you never posted this, which makes me wonder even more your intention behind this thread.
Simple to highlight a current event and not start a dispute (like the one that happened in the theological section) but I failed...
I don't see the relevance of Mukhtar Mai's rape and this rape - you did not mention this in your initial post, and I doubt anyone knows the area where this Mukhtar Mai was raped. So, it's difficult to believe this.
If you read the newsreport it mentions the area.. did you read it?
and I thought it was highly unlikely that such a rape would take place there again...
"Muzaffargarh is the same district where Mukhtaran Mai suffered a gang rape of the similar nature in 2002. She was punished for a love affair between her brother and the rapists female relative."
Indeed it would, "aryan2007"
I don't want another pissing contest .. Hindu tolerance of Christians is lesser than those of Muslims...
your views on Hinduism, Shiva worship, Genetics etc. are very colourful..
Well, I've seen the crime statistics. And I don't consider an honour killings crime rate of 1,000 / 160,000,000 or 0.0006% to be significant.Though this doesnt prove that the majority of Pakistanis do not think like Lahori PaJee, I have not seen any proof to suggest they do.
Yep I felt the same about the CPC supporter who was crying about 40000 dead pregnant Indian women..
I am not suggesting I am offering a viewpoint.. I am trying to convince you..
Sample stats..
Assuming 5000 acts of rape/killings/torture/violence/threatning per annum(under-reporting must be huge IMO but leaving that aside) due to honour .. over a period of 10 years(for sake of discussion) implies 50,000 killed/raped/beaten up/tortured.. and those involved are on an average say 5 that is 250,000 involved in killing.. Let us very conservatively assume that each tribal Pakistani family has 20 unique adult peers(who they think judge it on honour and have been unimplicated in previous crimes) therefore killings due to honour receives tacit approval by 5,000,000 Pakistanis over a decade..
so 5,250,000 Pakistanis over 10 years are supporting this crime...
Statistically 3% of Pakistanis support it...
Certainly no survey has been done, so we're both basing this on personal opinions.
I am merely offering a viewpoint.. you can shred the above stats to smithereens and I may come out with a better calculation but you get the idea? constructively speaking...
I would rather rely on Pakistani posters for what is happening in Pak than rely on media... that is why I asked Neo a few questions...
I would say though that there is some evidence to suggest that Pakistan is a secular, liberal society, therefore I do not think that the honour crime rate would be worse than many other countries in the world.
I always thought Pak was very liberal and secular... and I can't fathom why it should have an honour crime rate at all?
It's all down to egos. The union between a foreign tribe member and a tribal member might be considered to be an embarassment to the insecure ego of some tribal elders perhaps, just as an affair is considered a humiliation to the male ego on more of an individual level in a crime of passion.
She married a relative.. in any case.. I get the idea of the basic need..
there many reasons , the girl ran away with another man after marriage for example...
It's not "many" as you like to suggest. It's isolated cases that you can perhaps count on the digits of one hand. And I would say that there are isolated cases of this happening in the British Indian community also, or more globally. One cannot make the argument though, that it is commonplace amongst British Pakistanis or British Indians. Again, this is skewed opinion not fact. An equivalent assertion to yours that is based in fact, would be to say that the British Indian Hindu community is anti-woman based on the fact that many hundreds of British Indian Hindu women go to India every year to terminate female foetuses. This would be using credible data, you are not posting such data.
I am not denying such things don't happen I also mentioned Hindi in my post...
"it is not uncommon to see posters in Urdu, Hindi in UK police stations for women who are threatened by their families" Hindi as you know is spoken by Indians and not Pakistanis generally.. so I am not saying such things don't happen in India.. but right now we are talking about Pakistan..
PS: Honour killings acc. to some "claimed" Hindu scholars are almost given a religious, cultural and social approval(not constitutional)... so it would not be unimaginable for Sati practising, caste system practising and anti-widow remarrying Hindus to not indulge in such activities...
So comparing Muslims of Pakistan with Hindus of India in terms of honour killings is not an exercise in comparative/qualitative discussion...