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[Orez]

So you're saying we should make peace with PKK again? Are you out of your mind?

By doing so you will give them legitimation and then they'll never stop armed conflict.

Giving US-Taliban example doesn't make sense because the Taliban isn't on US soil but PKK is in Turkish soil.

PKK was mostly finished during 1999-2001, they weren't even able to launch any attacks anymore.

During 2000-2001 there were also no casualties because of terror attacks.

Gotta love these Turks living in Europe and saying what's best for us.

Not now....after destorying PKK dream in Syria, and after the west stop seeing the PKK like heros (once Daech its destroyed the west will begin to forget about PKK)...we must do it again. Certainly not before 10 years.

Ok forget the US vs taliban....what about IRA vs England ? ETA vs Spain ? Tell me when a insurection group was defeated by the army in the world ? Can you give me one exemple ?

After 1999 PKK needed time to reorganize itself because of Occalan's capture, they were weakened but not defeated and AKP begin his acilim policy not before 2009.

Don't kid yourself, PKK is kurdish group, not a armenian one, or the foreign agent....PKK survive because millions Kurds support them! Not all the kurds of course.....but maybe half of them. So either kill them all (because you cannot recognize which kurds is the good one) or make peace with PKK.

talking akpean is like talking to a wall, they like to play the victim card. and blame everyone but themselves..

Really ? Do you really think other AKP supporter what I say ? I'm well aware that what I say is unpopular with all supporter of Turkish party....but this is still the reality.

 

[T-123456]

Gotta love these Turks living in Europe and saying what's best for us.

Most if not all of these Turks in Europe care more for their country then many Turks in Turkiye do,

Not now....after destorying PKK dream in Syria, and after the west stop seeing the PKK like heros (once Daech its destroyed the west will begin to forget about PKK)...we must do it again. Certainly not before 10 years.

Ok forget the US vs taliban....what about IRA vs England ? ETA vs Spain ? Tell me when a insurection group was defeated by the army in the world ? Can you give me one exemple ?

After 1999 PKK needed time to reorganize itself because of Occalan's capture, they were weakened but not defeated and AKP begin his acilim policy not before 2009.

Don't kid yourself, PKK is kurdish group, not a armenian one, or the foreign agent....PKK survive because millions Kurds support them! Not all the kurds of course.....but maybe half of them. So either kill them all (because you cannot recognize which kurds is the good one) or make peace with PKK.




Really ? Do you really think other AKP supporter what I say ? I'm well aware that what I say is unpopular with all supporter of Turkish party....but this is still the reality.

IRA gave up because it knew that this war couldnt be won because there was no more support from the Katholics,the IRA gave up caused(forced) by the British security forces,the English didnt let them breath.
ETA almost the same thing,they were cornered and finished by the Spanish and the French,what good would a small independent country do in the EU,there are no enemies.
In Turkiye the Kurds know that Turks are not their enemies,we live side by side as citizens of the Turkish Republik,same freedom and rights,there is no need for an independent country,Kurds know this and they have seen how the KRG is doing,people are complaining every day,their economy sucks big time,the elite get everything and the poor get nothing(enough to live).
If we corner the PKK,take away their finances,kill them at sight(instead of arresting them to be free in a couple of years)set some examples by punishing the families of PKK members,protect those that are blackmailed,threatened or attacked by the PKK terrorists(real military protection) so that they feel that they belong to the society,that they are part of it,then those who dont want to be part of it,take away everything an send them to Iraq or Syria.
Nobody says its easy but it can be done with minimal losses.

 

[Orez]

IRA gave up because it knew that this war couldnt be won because there was no more support from the Katholics,the IRA gave up caused(forced) by the British security forces,the English didnt let them breath.
ETA almost the same thing,they were cornered and finished by the Spanish and the French,what good would a small independent country do in the EU,there are no enemies.

Which is why acilim was a good policy in 2011;
At this time, for the first time Turkey has a good relationship with Syria, Iran, and Iraki Kurds...PKK only choice was to give up and accept the peace. Many has a bad opinion about acilim, but what Turkey accepted to give up really ?
Today this is impossible, PKK is free to fly to Turkey's neigboor when the time if hard for them, and come back latter.

AKP biggest crime to the country is this : to support anti-Assad group without thinking about the consequence...which make PKK far stronger menace to Turkey.

In Turkiye the Kurds know that Turks are not their enemies,we live side by side as citizens of the Turkish Republik,same freedom and rights,there is no need for an independent country,Kurds know this and they have seen how the KRG is doing,people are complaining every day,their economy sucks big time,the elite get everything and the poor get nothing(enough to live).

And milions Kurdes still support them....see this video :

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This asshole deputy say PKK can drown Turkey with its splits, and hundreed or thousand other asshole applaud him.

This is the reality too.....millions kurds support Turkey but millions other support PKK too.

And you give them too much credit if you thing thease people are smart enought to know that a Kurdisdan is impossible, they accuse the country of all their misfortune, and think that with a Kurdistan they will have a better live.

If we corner the PKK,take away their finances,kill them at sight(instead of arresting them to be free in a couple of years)set some examples by punishing the families of PKK members,protect those that are blackmailed,threatened or attacked by the PKK terrorists(real military protection) so that they feel that they belong to the society,that they are part of it,then those who dont want to be part of it,take away everything an send them to Iraq or Syria.
Nobody says its easy but it can be done with minimal losses.

Many of what you say here.....will make Turkey a rogue state to the eyes of the west.
Even if we forget all human right.....Turkey still need the west. Maybe after some years if Turkey has better economy and if we can produice 100% of our weapon this can be possible, but certainly not now.

 

[Path-Finder]

RIP to the fallen

 

[T-123456]

Which is why acilim was a good policy in 2011;
At this time, for the first time Turkey has a good relationship with Syria, Iran, and Iraki Kurds...PKK only choice was to give up and accept the peace. Many has a bad opinion about acilim, but what Turkey accepted to give up really ?
Today this is impossible, PKK is free to fly to Turkey's neigboor when the time if hard for them, and come back latter.

AKP biggest crime to the country is this : to support anti-Assad group without thinking about the consequence...which make PKK far stronger menace to Turkey

''Acilim'' was there for the PKK only,it had nothing to do with Kurds,acilim made the PKK strong,many Kurds thought that PKK was there to stay because of it and thats why many started to support the PKK,people thought,''we'll never get rid of them,those millions of support for the PKK was and is because of acilim,the AKP gave the PKK a meaning,a stage to perform on,90% of the Kurds didnt care for the PKK,what did Erdogan do,he met with them on meetings and gatherings,holding hands with terrorists,un fvcking real,they used to be nothing,rats hiding in caves.
A Kurdish party never had more then 5% of votes,why did the HDP get over 10%?
Erdogan thought that the Kurdish party would take away the votes of the CHP(many Kurds used to vote CHP) and it did,the AKP got the rest of the votes after the elections(as the biggest party).
Because of acilim(the biggest mistake of all),giving terrorists a voice in society,the PKK gained power.
''I as a MP from Kurdistan .........'',at the TBMM,why not say ''I as the Mardin/Van/Hakkari/Diyarbakir etc MP'',what the fvck,who are you and who gave you the courage to say that?
Acilim did,AKP did.
Do Laz say Lazistan,Cerkez say Cerkezistan,Arnavut say Arnavutluk,Bosnak,say Bosnia etc..?
Nothing happened to the guy,nada,how the fvck is that possible?
Terrorist attacks occure,every party condems it except the HDP,what does that mean?
HDP is PKK but does anyone care and why the fvck not?
Now after so many years they take them in for not testifying?
What the fvck,why not name it supporting a terrorist organisation?
Erdogan fvcked up bigtime and he cant find a way out because he closed all doors.
There are so many wrongs to name but my fingers an my lack of patience wont allow me to write it all down.

Many of what you say here.....will make Turkey a rogue state to the eyes of the west.
Even if we forget all human right.....Turkey still need the west. Maybe after some years if Turkey has better economy and if we can produice 100% of our weapon this can be possible, but certainly not now.

Who cares what the west thinks,its our survival,this is another war of independence,why should we care?
He didnt care until now and now he should care?
We have become a ''rezil millet''.
What economy are you talking about,there is no economy,all foreign loans and investments,its like a piramide,only one big investor needs to take away his money and the fake Turkish economy is history.
To have an economy,you need to produce(export) more then you import,we dont produce more then we buy.
See how the tourism industry collapsed,how many jobs lost?
Why the fvck take that risk by downing a ''milattan kalma'' Russian fighterjet?
Whos fault was that,Feto,really?
You dont want to see whats going on,its up to you but dont forget the saying: I told you so.

 

[Constantinople]

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[AnatolianEagle]

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