Two billion Muslims do nothing Shame. Retired General Asim munier is only man in 2 billions with atomic bomb

[VCheng]

Let me take this point by point:

First, let's look at Islamic history: 1,400 years ago, Muslim Arabs started with nothing, yet they created one of the greatest empires in history. They faced immense challenges but overcame them through unity, faith, and strong leadership. This historical example shows that when a nation is determined and united, it can achieve greatness despite seemingly insurmountable odds.

And yet that is all history for the simple reason that all that greatness that once existed was all lost and is long gone. It is a different world.

Secondly, consider more recent examples. Afghanistan, a small nation, managed to defeat two of the world’s largest military powers—first the Soviet Union, and then the American-led NATO forces. Despite the overwhelming might of these empires, the Afghan people stood their ground and ultimately triumphed. Similarly, Vietnam, though small and under-resourced, successfully resisted and defeated the United States during the Vietnam War. These examples illustrate that size and power are not the only factors that determine the outcome of conflicts; determination, resilience, and the will of the people are equally, if not more, important.

Afghanistan is a destroyed society living in piles of rubble, with only drug dealing and smuggling enabling it to survive. And Vietnam's biggest trading partner is the same USA. Neither is a very good example of what you are trying to say.

Now, addressing the question of whether Pakistan can face the consequences of standing up to Israel: With a population of 250 million and the fourth-largest army in the world, Pakistan has the strength to withstand significant pressure. If the people are united and stand behind their leadership, they can endure any diplomatic or economic challenges that may arise. As Sultan Tipu famously said, "One day's life of a lion is better than a hundred years ' life of a jackal."

A population of 250 million with no health, education or social development with an army that is more for a security state that power projection simply is not enough to give Pakistan any meaningful strength. Unity and leadership cannot achieve anything without a functioning economy. Otherwise it will end up like Sultan Tipu: a lion, perhaps, but definitely defeated and dead.

Moreover, it's important to understand that I'm not suggesting Pakistan should threaten Israel directly. What I'm saying is that Pakistan can leverage its power in diplomacy. A nation with such resources should not be afraid to assert itself on the global stage. In any major conflict, whether it is diplomatic, economic, or military, a nation must have leadership with the heart of a lion. In History, both Islamic and Western worlds are full of examples of brave leaders who led their nations to victory, and they are remembered with pride. We must choose between bravery and slavery because, in the end, nothing is permanent. If we must die, why not live like lions rather than as jackals?

Pakistan has no diplomatic gravitas. NONE. At all. And international geopolitics has simply no concept of bravery or lion-heartedness. Those noble concepts belong in historical fables, and apply in personal domains only.

As for standing up against diplomatic and economic pressure, Pakistan can build alliances with other nations that share its interests. By strengthening ties with other Muslim-majority countries and fostering partnerships with nations that are wary of Israeli aggression, Pakistan can create a diplomatic buffer. Economically, Pakistan can work towards self-reliance and diversify its trade partnerships to reduce dependence on Western powers. This way, even if sanctions or other economic pressures are applied, the country can maintain its stability and continue to assert its sovereignty.

Pakistan will fall like a house of cards in three days given the state of its economy and society. Pakistan is a mere bystander in the Middle East.

In my opinion Pakistan has the potential to withstand and overcome the consequences of standing up for its principles, provided if it has strong, courageous leadership and the unwavering support of its people. But I am afraid USA will allow Pakistan to have rightful person in office. They will use asim munir as toilet paper, they will use him and throw him in a bin. Reason why they disposed and prison imran khan. Man is lion heart. You can disagree with his politics but man is truly fighting for his country and people and understands west more then anyone else in Pakistan.

Oh the irony. You want Pakistan to realize its potential to be strong and independent and yet also accept that it has no strength to govern itself internally. You can adulate IK all you want. His time came and went. The country goes on as it is designed to as before. Even if he comes back into power, the fundamentals as I have mentioned above will not change for several decades at least.

 

[Novus ordu seclorum]

Agree. They not Muslims

That means Arab rulers reverted to tyrannical rule early on, but we know there were few leaders after the Prophet who followed Quran and Sunnah - examples are Abu Bakr, Omar, Usman, Ali, Hassan, and Hussein. They were inspired and trained by the Prophet, were similar to the Prophet (and to each other) in faith and practise. The latter three were obviously the closest to him.

Were they recommending to drink camel piss like the Hadith says about the Prophet or marrying 9 year olds? No, therefore, some Hadith are dubious and cannot be taken as templates for leadership, faith, values, and practise. There are Hadith which say to be slaves to the ruler, practically worship him. If it wasn't for clarifiying and guiding verses in the Quran, Muslims would be lost.

 

[Cash GK]

Were they recommending to drink camel piss like the Hadith says about the Prophet or marrying 9 year olds? No, therefore, some Hadith are dubious and cannot be taken as templates for leadership, faith, values, and practise. There are Hadith which say to be slaves to the ruler, practically worship him. If it wasn't for clarifiying and guiding verses in the Quran, Muslims would be lost.

this statement is based on ignorance. Would you give me reference of those hadiths

 

[VCheng]

this statement is based on ignorance. Would you give me reference of those hadiths

Sahih Bukhari Volume 7, Book 71, Hadith Number 590.

 

[Cash GK]

Sahih Bukhari Volume 7, Book 71, Hadith Number 590.

Did you even read whol of it… are yous stupid or what…

Sahih Bukhari Volume 7, Book 71, Hadith Number 590.

Did you even read whol of it… are yous stupid or what… do you know what was concept behind.

 

[VCheng]

Did you even read whol of it… are yous stupid or what… do you know what was concept behind. It was for few people. For time like COVID 19 situation don’t use it for defame Islam

You asked for a reference; that is all I provided. So please stop your slander. I did not say anything else about the hadith.

 

[Cash GK]

You asked for a reference; that is all I provided. So please stop your slander. I did not say anything else about the hadith.

Read previous one.. if you have any braincell working you will understand

 

[Novus ordu seclorum]

Did you even read whol of it… are yous stupid or what…


Did you even read whol of it… are yous stupid or what… do you know what was concept behind. It was for few people. For time like COVID 19 situation don’t use it for defame Islam
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It contradicts verse in the Quran 'eat of the good things'. Quran specifically prohibits drinking blood, which is cleaner than urine. I don't doubt drinking it was an existing traditional practise. There are still people drinking camel or herbivore urine. They don't drink it because it is Sunnah. It is obvious it is a long tradition found among the more primitive people in the region, in parts of Africa too. None from the mentioned leaders following Quran and Sunnah drank it. Somehow people ignore that. The later historical context of how they lived (without the politics) is more reliable because it was a larger and more literate population across Iraq, Syria and Egypt who would have witnessed it if they brought such behaviour with them.

 

[VCheng]

Read previous one.. if you have any braincell working you will understand

Only an idiot will presume I have not already read all of the quoted reference even before posting it here. Well before, actually.

It contradicts verse in the Quran 'eat of the good things'.

There is also Sunan Abi Dawud Hadith 3795 about lizards.

 

[Novus ordu seclorum]

There is also Sunan Abi Dawud Hadith 3795 about lizards.

Dubious but it would also be relevant to know the timing of the hadith. For example, there is a hadith about Abu Bakr making a bet of 100 camels. In this case, it is known that the bet occurred before the Quranic prohibition against gambling.

 

[VCheng]

Dubious but it would also be relevant to know the timing of the hadith. For example, there is a hadith about Abu Bakr making a bet of 100 camels. In this case, it is known that the bet occurred before the Quranic prohibition against gambling.

Of course. It depends on whether one is an absolutist about ahadeeth or regards them as relative, subject to suitable interpretations depending on one's inclinations, as matters of personal beliefs.

 

[Novus ordu seclorum]

Of course. It depends on whether one is an absolutist about ahadeeth or regards them as relative, subject to suitable interpretations depending on one's inclinations, as matters of personal beliefs.

What matters to me -- is the narration true, possibly true, or partly true. Mass transmitted narrations are most likely to be true. These are very tiny in number, around 100, but the overwhelming majority were passed down by individuals as hearsay or second hand information.

Filtering was applied over a thousand years ago when they were drowning in grossly fabricated narrations. Few dedicated individuals came up with their own lists, which were labeled authentic or given lesser grades on the basis of the chain of narrators, not on the basis of possible mistakes, contradictions, or problems in the content.

It needs further filtering. But, yeah it is difficult because of biases and vested interests in Hadith 'Sciences'. I could go on and on with problems. For example, it is clear in the Quran that Satan is unconditionally reprieved till the Day of Resurrection to mislead mankind. But, in the Hadith he gets locked up every year during the month of Ramadan, contradicting the Quran. There are people who will twist, turn, and jump through hoops to justify the Hadith.

 

[VCheng]

What matters to me -- is the narration true or possibly true. Mass transmitted narrations are most likely to be true. These are very tiny in number, around 100, but the overwhelming majority were passed down by individuals as hearsay or second hand information.

Filtering was applied over a thousand years ago when they were drowning in grossly fabricated narrations. Few dedicated individuals came up with their own lists, which were labeled authentic or given lesser grades on the basis of the chain of narrators, not on the basis of possible mistakes, contradictions, or problems in the content.

It needs further filtering. But, yeah it is difficult because of biases and vested interests in Hadith 'Sciences'. I could go and on and on with problems. For example, it is clear in the Quran that Satan is unconditionally reprieved till the Day of Resurrection to mislead mankind. But, in the Hadith he gets locked up every year during the month of Ramadan, contradicting the Quran. There are people who will twist, turn, and jump through hoops to justify the Hadith.

All the more reasons to keep religion exactly where it belongs: in the personal domain.

 

[Cash GK]

And yet Turkey, Morocco, Egypt, UAE and Bahrain have full diplomatic relations with Israel, and more are likely in due course.



Where did I say that? I am merely presenting the facts as they exist, not as we wish to see them.



That is not a claim. It is a FACT.



That is totally your right to accept or reject whatever argument as you wish. It does not affect reality, which goes on regardless.

And yet Turkey, Morocco, Egypt, UAE and Bahrain have full diplomatic relations with Israel, and more are likely in due course.



Where did I say that? I am merely presenting the facts as they exist, not as we wish to see them.



That is not a claim. It is a FACT.



That is totally your right to accept or reject whatever argument as you wish. It does not affect reality, which goes on regardless.

I feel that what is happening now resembles a 20th-century crusade. I read somewhere that after the fall of the Ottoman Empire, a French general entered Salah al-Din's tomb, kicked his grave, and said, "Get up, Salah, we are here." This act says everything—it symbolizes the ongoing opposition, even if we may have moved beyond religious wars.

Many of your points lack a solid foundation. I also feel that, deep down, you understand what the reality is, even if you disagree with me. When I challenge your points, it seems clear that certain countries did not willingly and organically accept Israel; rather, it was Western-installed puppets who did. Israel cannot survive long-term because it is not a natural and indigenous country. Ninety-nine percent of Israel's population consists of Western white people, and many hold dual nationalities. When difficulties arise, they will likely run away.

My point is that you and a majority of Muslims are not ready to accept the reality. You continue to think like pigeons—closing your eyes, hoping the cat will go away.

 

[Novus ordu seclorum]

All the more reasons to keep religion exactly where it belongs: in the personal domain.

But in the last two decades, politicization of Islam was mostly done by Islamophobes, Islamophobic governments, and politicians in several countries. Islamophobia is a form of extremism driving mainstream politics in several countries.