Two assassinations & a conspiracy

[nair]

RAW- famed agency but since Zia-Rajiv were already so close to a solution it defies logic for RAW to carry out an ops. On top collateral damage is too big in this mission. Of course RAW will never get political authorisation for such a mission even in denial mode later scenario also bcz of American diplomat onboard. If RAW- was involved bcz of Zia support to khalistan side folks whom he armed against India, RAW had a score to settle. But will RAW be so foolish to carry out the mission inspite of knowing that on D Day mission status changed owing to diplomats involvement? I doubt that as I said courage at political level for such outright missions is next to Zero if not negative

I think there is an unwritten agreement of not touching each others high profile leaders between India and pakistan...... (have read somewhere)......

 

[PARIKRAMA]

I think there is an unwritten agreement of not touching each others high profile leaders between India and pakistan...... (have read somewhere)......

Very much possible.. or else both sides would have seen bodies being piled up every couple of days.. that's why perhaps RAWs hand looks weak in the list of usual suspects. On top as I said political will is negligible when it comes to such ops being even given a go ahead even by PM directly under full offthe book types.

 

[SQ8]

The start with India and Pakistan goes all the way back to partition, and the billions and billions that have been made in arms sales along with many other "billions" made in strategic gains exploring the rivalries.

The issue isnt having a direct hand in any operations, just the suggestion to paranoid minds is enough for them to take any severe action.

 

[anant_s]

This sort of eternal conflict between India and Pakistan provides what is arguably the biggest arms purchase requirement on the planet.
Therefore, any chance/attempts of peace in region, may not be a desirable scenario to everybody!

 

[X-2.]

I believe it was cia
Gen Hamid gul told Gen Zia year back abt plans of his Assassination that's why he used to go with Americans

A point to make is both diplomats were suppose to fly back a day before for a tank exhibition. Implying Intel was accurate upto the previous day situation. Was the D day Intel not given or was it too late to abort such a mission? Was it still carried out to make it look that the power behind this assassination does not even fear USA?

The usual suspects

1. CIA - bcz Zia was beyond their control and was not following their narrative, their plan and what they desire for their "interests". Chiefly diversion of arms to a faction led by Gulbudin Hekmatyar and plan for the N bomb for which Zia was trying to accelerate whatever help he could provide covertly and overtly.
2. KGB - bcz Zia's policies were a direct confrontation to USSR but KGB won't bump him off in a plane having a American diplomat .. rather a lonely attempt would be their style
3. Afghanistan intelligence folks , WAD who carried out covert bombings. They also have bought insiders. But they were under active support of USSR. So they were a suspect that this might have been done by them and USSR will claim they don't have a link nor they ever controlled them.
4. RAW- famed agency but since Zia-Rajiv were already so close to a solution it defies logic for RAW to carry out an ops. On top collateral damage is too big in this mission. Of course RAW will never get political authorisation for such a mission even in denial mode later scenario also bcz of American diplomat onboard. If RAW- was involved bcz of Zia support to khalistan side folks whom he armed against India, RAW had a score to settle. But will RAW be so foolish to carry out the mission inspite of knowing that on D Day mission status changed owing to diplomats involvement? I doubt that as I said courage at political level for such outright missions is next to Zero if not negative.
5. Pakistan army insider- a theory stated that Zia was cajoled to go to tank exhibition with the diplomats. The reason behind stated was the deep changes Zia was planning to bring to the army.
6. USA beyond CIA. This was another angle thought that this was done by the government without keeping CIA in loop. In the strategic circles the next in line Benazir was identified as someone whom USA can more control easily. Of course this line got more fuel when FBI whom an unparalleled access was granted to investigate by Pakistan government but it's forensic experts were not considered by State department inspite of American diplomat on board. So no counter terrorism angle or sabotage angle was ever considered in front of the panels in USA or in Pakistan citing no evidence. This got further strengthened when within 3days first news report stated plane malfunction as first reason for the crash as per the conclusion of US AF investigators.
7. Mossad- the prime reason the N bomb.There was no autopsy done on the body remains to check for poisoning as per investigative folks. Reason being none were from criminal investigation background and nor FBI folks expert in forensics field were involved. There were talks a crew comprising civilians as well were repairing Pak One door in the morning. So planting a poison gas bomb was not an issue. But no one could prove bcz bodies marked for autopsy were sent to burial as per customs before that could be done. According to media it was customs which does nt allow such autopsies.
8. Again Pak military insider bcz post crash an attempt was seen to divert attention, files went missing about Murtaza Bhutto and transfer of personnel's happened in Bhagalpur. Also so called phone records of Zia before the takeoff were destroyed as per many theories. What added weightage was in a short few days Zia and Pak One crash was obliterated from every media and public discussion. It was as if everything is normal and nothing ever happened. This led conspiracy theorists to suspect State attempt to cover it up

Many angles.. many suspects..there are many folks who could benefit out of this.. I wish @WAJsal had completed his history of Pakistan series.. it would have thrown some more light on this surely.

Personally it looks like a deal between US government without taking CIA into confidence and some elements from Pakistan Army. The insider touch is long suspected. The interests of USA needed Zia to move out of the power position and carrot it would have got is many including slowing down the N bomb which gives them a much bigger comfort cover.

This will remain an unsolved mystery for all time . The skeletons in closet won't be allowed to come out ever even by some mistake...

I believe it was cia
Gen Hamid gul told Gen Zia year back abt plans of his Assassination that's why he used to go with Americans may be one of inner folk could be involved in Assassination plotted by CIA

 

[Star Wars]

@nair and @PARIKRAMA This story reminds me of David Headly, the guy who was both CIA and ISI. India Pakistan relations were quiet good back in 2008 before 26/11, even the people to people interactions on the forum were quiet positive..

 

[nair]

I think we have got stuck with Zia......... the article mention Rajiv too..... and Verma believes that both are interlinked....... Though there was some conspiracy reported on RG assasination (majority of them are about awareness of this plot atleast in some local circles in TN) but involvement of an outside agency or a country was never heard of......

 

[Star Wars]

I think we have got stuck with Zia......... the article mention Rajiv too..... and Verma believes that both are interlinked....... Though there was some conspiracy reported on RG assasination (majority of them are about awareness of this plot atleast in some local circles in TN) but involvement of an outside agency or a country was never heard of......

Few years back there were news reports on how the separatist folks in Kashmir were being assisted by NGO's from western countries. One thing which is clear is, the deep state has infiltrated its rot into everything and their whole existence seems to be in a much wider scale than initially thought out. Am having all kinds of conspiracy theories in my head, but it will have to wait...

 

[nair]

Few years back there were news reports on how the separatist folks in Kashmir were being assisted by NGO's from western countries. One thing which is clear is, the deep state has infiltrated its rot into everything and their whole existence seems to be in a much wider scale than initially thought out. Am having all kinds of conspiracy theories in my head, but it will have to wait...

It took some time for govt to act on these NGO's........ These guys where hell bent on pulling the nation backward...... some of them were playing to the hands of those deep states knowingly, others were not aware of the intentions of their financiers or donors....

 

[Star Wars]

It took some time for govt to act on these NGO's........ These guys where hell bent on pulling the nation backward...... some of them were playing to the hands of those deep states knowingly, others were not aware of the intentions of their financiers or donors....

Kerry was upset with the banning of the NGO's and had personally asked Sushma Swaraj to remove certain NGO's from FCRA list. Apparantly Banning spree in India has created a sort of reluctance for Donations towards NGO's in India. My issue is not the NGO's but the deep state in the background, who is controlling this nonsense and how far their power actually extends..

 

[nair]

Kerry was upset with the banning of the NGO's and had personally asked Sushma Swaraj to remove certain NGO's from FCRA list. Apparantly Banning spree in India has created a sort of reluctance for Donations towards NGO's in India. My issue is not the NGO's but the deep state in the background, who is controlling this nonsense and how far their power actually extends..

We have a very robust counter intelligence.......... But the question was the political will to take on them......

@hellfire can shed some light on our counter intelligence capabilities.....

 

[Star Wars]

We have a very robust counter intelligence.......... But the question was the political will to take on them......

@hellfire can shed some light on our counter intelligence capabilities.....

Did the lack of political will arise from incompetency or Malice ?

 

[nair]

Did the lack of political will arise from incompetency or Malice ?

I would prefer to say incompetency...... Or the lack of courage in handling them.....

 

[Hellfire]

@hellfire can shed some light on our counter intelligence capabilities.....

We are very capable in those fields, everything 'counters' intelligence

 

[nair]

We are very capable in those fields, everything 'counters' intelligence

Lols...