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who told you Brahmins are peaceful people! Lol..

Brahmins were the ones who used to teach kings the art of war. Ever heard of Prashuram, dronacharaya, bharadvaj, ashwathama? When the Kings of Afghanistan and Punjab were exploiting the minority of Brahmins then they ransacked their kingdom 21 times.

You have no knowledge of Indian culture go and don't piss me off with your half knowledge!

Let me rephrase, the brahmins of Kashmir behaved peacefully when they faced religious violence from separatists that's what I mentioned in my post. I already have read enough about the merry activities of Kashmiri Wazirs during Dogra rule to know how peaceful they were, it was said in a particular context. Do you know what a "context" is?

Speaking of half knowledge, you don't even know that the title Khan in South Asia is not attached to the mongols but to the Turkic rulers.And even if we accept your suggestion, Aren't Indians themselves the ones who adopted an Indo aryan language and now call themselves Aryan to feel martial ? Lmao, kettle calling the pot black. :lol:
 
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Let me rephrase, the brahmins of Kashmir behaved peacefully when they faced religious violence from separatists that's what I mentioned in my post. I already have read enough about the merry activities of Kashmiri Wazirs during Dogra rule to know how peaceful they were, it was said in a particular context. Do you know what a "context" is?

Speaking of half knowledge, you don't even know that the title Khan in South Asia is not attached to the mongols but to the Turkic rulers.And even if we accept your suggestion, Aren't Indians themselves the ones who adopted an Indo aryan language and now call themselves Aryan to feel martial ? Lmao, kettle calling the pot black. :lol:


what kind of Indo aryan language did Indian adapt to? LOL you are also part of the the same breed so you are asking question to yourself only. Later you guys got converted well just the faith but your culture is still the same. Same habit of eco system .
Indo aryan my foot. There is no word as Indo aryan.. Aryan world is itself the product of Sanskrit from India.

When it comes to the context of Kashmiri pandits, None of them were trained and who threatened them were given enough training how to threaten the normal people. They were all gangsters.

If you have a family and a wife in your case may be 4, and 6-7 kids in your case and mob of gangsters will come and threaten you, I am sure you will leave the Mohalla within 24 hours.
 
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what kind of Indo aryan language did Indian adapt to? LOL you are also part of the the same breed so you are asking question to yourself only. Later you guys got converted well just the faith but your culture is still the same. Same habit of eco system .
Indo aryan my foot. There is no word as Indo aryan.. Aryan world is itself the product of Sanskrit from India.

When it comes to the context of Kashmiri pandits, None of them were trained and who threatened them were given enough training how to threaten the normal people. They were all gangsters.

If you have a family and a wife in your case may be 4, and 6-7 kids in your case and mob of gangsters will come and threaten you, I am sure you will leave the Mohalla within 24 hours.


Written by Julio Ribeiro | Updated: May 18, 2016 5:53 pm
malegaon1.jpg
Karkare belonged incidentally to the topmost tier of the pecking order in the hierarchy of castes.
Hemant Karkare laid down his life for his friends. Every man and woman in the land was his friend. He did not discriminate between man and woman, Hindu and Muslim, this caste or that. He was a professional policeman. And he was a patriot. And that is what people expect of their public servants.

Karkare belonged incidentally to the topmost tier of the pecking order in the hierarchy of castes. That factor became irrelevant when he donned the uniform. Traditional culture was subsumed by a new “police” culture, which demanded that all citizens are treated equally. In the eyes of the law all are equal. Any policeman true to his salt would follow this maxim, which becomes his “dharma”.

I knew Karkare well. He was one of the — now, unfortunately, diminishing number of — IPS officers who enjoyed an unsullied reputation for integrity, both financial and intellectual. People who wanted true justice would gravitate towards him. He did not know what it was to speak anything but the truth (or what he felt in his bones was the truth).

He came to meet me on November 25, 2008, a day before his life was extinguished by jihadi terrorists. He came to tell me he was disturbed. He was disturbed because L.K. Advani had the previous day, or a couple of days earlier, accused the Maharashtra Police Anti-Terrorist Squad (ATS), of which he was then the chief, of framing Sadhvi Pragya Thakur and others in the Malegaon blast case. He said he would not dream of framing anyone and I believed him because I knew he would do nothing wrong. I told him I would speak to Advani personally as I had faith in his integrity.

Karkare had brought the case papers to show me that his investigations had nailed the real culprits. I did not look into those files for lack of patience. I am sorry today that I did not take more interest in his findings. If I had done so I could have attempted to defend that good and honest man with concrete facts. He is not alive to defend himself against all the forces that have been unleashed against him in his absence.

But I cannot let these forces go unchallenged. I will not be able to refute them on the details but the police officers who knew him are sure that he was not one to concoct evidence. Investigations were conducted first by Karkare’s predecessor in the ATS, then by the dead man himself and now by the National Investigation Agency (NIA). The investigators seem to be hopelessly at odds with each other: The first set actually arresting the usual suspects, the second collaring a more plausible group with concrete proof in the shape of telephone intercepts and recorded conversations, and then the third watering down the evidence and charges against the alleged culprits named by the Karkare team. It is highly unusual for later investigators to weaken evidence in this manner. They are expected to strengthen cases, not do the opposite.

When the well-respected public prosecutor, Rohini Salian, bemoaned the attempt by the NIA to influence her to soften the case against the Hindutva ultras, I expected them to be let off. But, even in my wildest imagination, I could not have dreamt that to achieve this objective a national hero like my friend Hemant Karkare, would be sacrificed. His reputation was all that was left of him and that is being buried.

Hemant’s wife died a natural death not many years after his assassination. The pain was too much for her to endure. If she was around she would have fought. I have no doubt about that. But in her absence and in the absence of his daughters who are abroad, it is left to old colleagues like me to come to Karkare’s defence.

I have spoken to many officers and policemen who were disappointed with the NIA’s decision to sully the fair name of a trustworthy and fair-minded colleague. It smacks of an attempt to snuggle up to those in power. I had sensed a similar disenchantment in the force when the Central Bureau of Investigation (CBI), in the Ishrat Jahan case, named some Intelligence Bureau (IB) officers in the conspiracy to eliminate Ishrat. For the first time I saw one Central police agency trying to rope in a sister agency’s operatives in a criminal conspiracy when the ways of working of the latter agency are well known to the rank and file. “Snuggling” was apparent there too. If a law is in place to prevent “post- retirement” sinecures the tendency to “snuggle-up” will reduce.

The developments in the Malegaon blasts case have shown that the Hindutva forces are succeeding in widening the Hindu-Muslim divide.

When Karkare came out with his list of culprits it was easy for us Indians to proclaim that India was different from Pakistan. In that benighted country, jihadi terrorists are always protected if they act against the “enemy”, that is us. We proudly proclaimed that ours was a land governed by the “rule of law”. Hindus killing Muslims would be dealt with as sternly as Muslims killing Hindus.

But that pride has to be discarded now. This emperor, too, has no clothes. We are slowly but relentlessly moving towards being bracketed with Pakistan in our attitude towards the law, terrorism, and the minorities. I doubt if we will ever get to sit on the high table if the law is not enforced equitably and fairly.

When the NIA finally came out with its conclusions in the Malegaon case, my Hindu friends kept a studied silence till I cajoled them to comment. A leading question on the denigration of Karkare evinced a tepid response. But when I identified Islamist extremism as the cause for the unexpected and unusual birth of Abhinav Bharat they were infinitely more enthusiastic. My Muslim and Christian friends, on the other hand, were eager for me to articulate my thoughts through the media. The divisions are sharpening. And that is not a good augury.

(This article first appeared in the print edition under the headline ‘Burying Karkare’)

http://indianexpress.com/article/op...n-blasts-2008-burying-hemnat-karkare-2805887/

 
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Written by Julio Ribeirio | Updated: May 18, 2016 5:53 pm
malegaon1.jpg
Karkare belonged incidentally to the topmost tier of the pecking order in the hierarchy of castes.
Hemant Karkare laid down his life for his friends. Every man and woman in the land was his friend. He did not discriminate between man and woman, Hindu and Muslim, this caste or that. He was a professional policeman. And he was a patriot. And that is what people expect of their public servants.

Karkare belonged incidentally to the topmost tier of the pecking order in the hierarchy of castes. That factor became irrelevant when he donned the uniform. Traditional culture was subsumed by a new “police” culture, which demanded that all citizens are treated equally. In the eyes of the law all are equal. Any policeman true to his salt would follow this maxim, which becomes his “dharma”.

I knew Karkare well. He was one of the — now, unfortunately, diminishing number of — IPS officers who enjoyed an unsullied reputation for integrity, both financial and intellectual. People who wanted true justice would gravitate towards him. He did not know what it was to speak anything but the truth (or what he felt in his bones was the truth).

He came to meet me on November 25, 2008, a day before his life was extinguished by jihadi terrorists. He came to tell me he was disturbed. He was disturbed because L.K. Advani had the previous day, or a couple of days earlier, accused the Maharashtra Police Anti-Terrorist Squad (ATS), of which he was then the chief, of framing Sadhvi Pragya Thakur and others in the Malegaon blast case. He said he would not dream of framing anyone and I believed him because I knew he would do nothing wrong. I told him I would speak to Advani personally as I had faith in his integrity.

Karkare had brought the case papers to show me that his investigations had nailed the real culprits. I did not look into those files for lack of patience. I am sorry today that I did not take more interest in his findings. If I had done so I could have attempted to defend that good and honest man with concrete facts. He is not alive to defend himself against all the forces that have been unleashed against him in his absence.

But I cannot let these forces go unchallenged. I will not be able to refute them on the details but the police officers who knew him are sure that he was not one to concoct evidence. Investigations were conducted first by Karkare’s predecessor in the ATS, then by the dead man himself and now by the National Investigation Agency (NIA). The investigators seem to be hopelessly at odds with each other: The first set actually arresting the usual suspects, the second collaring a more plausible group with concrete proof in the shape of telephone intercepts and recorded conversations, and then the third watering down the evidence and charges against the alleged culprits named by the Karkare team. It is highly unusual for later investigators to weaken evidence in this manner. They are expected to strengthen cases, not do the opposite.

When the well-respected public prosecutor, Rohini Salian, bemoaned the attempt by the NIA to influence her to soften the case against the Hindutva ultras, I expected them to be let off. But, even in my wildest imagination, I could not have dreamt that to achieve this objective a national hero like my friend Hemant Karkare, would be sacrificed. His reputation was all that was left of him and that is being buried.

Hemant’s wife died a natural death not many years after his assassination. The pain was too much for her to endure. If she was around she would have fought. I have no doubt about that. But in her absence and in the absence of his daughters who are abroad, it is left to old colleagues like me to come to Karkare’s defence.

I have spoken to many officers and policemen who were disappointed with the NIA’s decision to sully the fair name of a trustworthy and fair-minded colleague. It smacks of an attempt to snuggle up to those in power. I had sensed a similar disenchantment in the force when the Central Bureau of Investigation (CBI), in the Ishrat Jahan case, named some Intelligence Bureau (IB) officers in the conspiracy to eliminate Ishrat. For the first time I saw one Central police agency trying to rope in a sister agency’s operatives in a criminal conspiracy when the ways of working of the latter agency are well known to the rank and file. “Snuggling” was apparent there too. If a law is in place to prevent “post- retirement” sinecures the tendency to “snuggle-up” will reduce.

The developments in the Malegaon blasts case have shown that the Hindutva forces are succeeding in widening the Hindu-Muslim divide.

When Karkare came out with his list of culprits it was easy for us Indians to proclaim that India was different from Pakistan. In that benighted country, jihadi terrorists are always protected if they act against the “enemy”, that is us. We proudly proclaimed that ours was a land governed by the “rule of law”. Hindus killing Muslims would be dealt with as sternly as Muslims killing Hindus.

But that pride has to be discarded now. This emperor, too, has no clothes. We are slowly but relentlessly moving towards being bracketed with Pakistan in our attitude towards the law, terrorism, and the minorities. I doubt if we will ever get to sit on the high table if the law is not enforced equitably and fairly.

When the NIA finally came out with its conclusions in the Malegaon case, my Hindu friends kept a studied silence till I cajoled them to comment. A leading question on the denigration of Karkare evinced a tepid response. But when I identified Islamist extremism as the cause for the unexpected and unusual birth of Abhinav Bharat they were infinitely more enthusiastic. My Muslim and Christian friends, on the other hand, were eager for me to articulate my thoughts through the media. The divisions are sharpening. And that is not a good augury.

(This article first appeared in the print edition under the headline ‘Burying Karkare’)





court has granted clean chit... and karkare or who so ever is not higher authority than the court. Game over!!
 
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And you think we are sitting here to trust your story. Most of the Punjabis in Pak are Khatris( punjabi baniyas). This is the real identity of Pakistan. Nawaz Sharif is one of them.

After Ghazni a more Brutal force from Mongolia and hills of tibet and Himalayas came which ran sac everything till Mecca Medina , captured Kabah and converted themselves into Muslims, do you know why? To convert the basic ideology of Islam and sham it in which they succeeded and till now Muslims in the world are facing the mistake of taking fight with Mongols. 8-)

:rofl:
Well, atleast you aren't one of those loonies drunk on Gomutra, thinking that Makkah, Times Square and the Vatican are ancient Hindu temples.
First of all, Nawaz Sharif is Kashmiri-origin Punjabi. Both his parents migrated from Kashmir to Amritsar. I don't know where you got the delusion that he's a Punjabi Baniya.
Second of all, WTF? The Mongols captured Makkah? Is this one of those brainfarts you Southies tend to have or are you just historically-illiterate and are thinking that the Turks are actually Mongols? :crazy: You need to step out of the designated defecation pits and get some clean fresh air into your system. Stop those spicy Vedic brainfarts going off in your head.

Dalit is a community and not a part of religion, try harder coming up with proper replies.

Erm, why should I? You barged into this thread, starting talking about the Kaabah and think you deserve a low-quality response? This isn't Twitter or Facebook where you can harass women and spam copypasta from HinduPost.in. :disagree:
Come up with a coherent response to why you jungle Southies think you are related to Afghans.

The fact is MahaBharata vividly describes about the Kingdoms of the world.
Gandahar was a Hindu/Buddhist Kingdom.

And? You pray to monkeys? How does this connect you to Afghans? I don't see South American Catholics or Ashkenazi Jews talking about being part of Solomon's Kingdom because they worship the same deity.

Listen kid, Bharat will be a Economic Powerhouse Your moaning cannot stop it, nor can anyone's .
When you have Economy on your side,Nobody talks bad about you, everyone want's to be your friend /Well Wisher .
That is where we are headed, in future i will see a lot of many people claiming to be Hindus and their love of Sanatana Dharma.
Your Oil dream is over.So was your dream of Hating Hindus etc.

Yes, I've heard that shupa pawa nonsense a thousand times. No need to remind me about how you folks will get flying Vimanas with gomutra-enriched missiles which will obliterate Muslim masjids and women radars so every once in a while you can land and assault some poor broad.
 
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:rofl:
Well, atleast you aren't one of those loonies drunk on Gomutra, thinking that Makkah, Times Square and the Vatican are ancient Hindu temples.
First of all, Nawaz Sharif is Kashmiri-origin Punjabi. Both his parents migrated from Kashmir to Amritsar. I don't know where you got the delusion that he's a Punjabi Baniya.
Second of all, WTF? The Mongols captured Makkah? Is this one of those brainfarts you Southies tend to have or are you just historically-illiterate and are thinking that the Turks are actually Mongols? :crazy: You need to step out of the designated defecation pits and get some clean fresh air into your system. Stop those spicy Vedic brainfarts going off in your head.


What the hell on earth is Kashmiri origin Punjabi? o_O Either you are Kashmiri or a Punjabi. Or kashmiri living in Punjab :tdown:
If some one even farts .. you will add punjabi paad! :omghaha: What is that now, everything is Punjab? :crazy:

I said that Mongol captured Baghdad and killed the Khalifa which is termed equivalent to capture of Kabah in Islamic history. Read my corrected post!!:hitwall:

Mongols even captured the turks by invading them.
 
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What the hell on earth is Kashmiri origin Punjabi? o_O Either you are Kashmiri or a Punjabi. Or kashmiri living in Punjab :tdown:

Both his parents were Kashmiri, nitwit. He was born in Punjab with parents who had migrated from Kashmir to Punjab in their lifetime. What does that make him? Take all the time you like. Consult your gods, if you like. Sacrifice a baby to that monkey god of yours and you might get the answer. :lol:

I said that Mongol captured Baghdad and killed the Khalifa which is termed equivalent to capture of Kabah in Islamic history. Read my corrected post!!:hitwall:

So now Baghdad has become the equivalent of Makkah and the Kaabah....
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:lol:

Muslims generally agree that none of the khalifas who came after the original 4 rashidun caliphs are true successors of the Prophet Muhammad, dimwit. Baghdad can't become the spiritual equivalent of the Kaabah and Makkah because a self-imposed caliph decided to do so. Lay off the spicy Vindaloo curry and consult a book some time.
 
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Both his parents were Kashmiri, nitwit. He was born in Punjab with parents who had migrated from Kashmir to Punjab in their lifetime. What does that make him? Take all the time you like. Consult your gods, if you like. Sacrifice a baby to that monkey god of yours and you might get the answer.

They are simply Kashmiris living in Punjab! Not Punabi Kashmiri. :coffee: . It makes only NONSENSE!

So now Baghdad has become the equivalent of Makkah and the Kaabah....
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:lol:

Muslims generally agree that none of the khalifas who came after the original 4 rashidun caliphs are true successors of the Prophet Muhammad, dimwit. Baghdad can't become the spiritual equivalent of the Kaabah and Makkah because a self-imposed caliph decided to do so. Lay off the spicy Vindaloo curry and consult a book some time.


I did not say it has become equivalent, but what I said is, it is the second largest black day in the history of Islam. When Mongols besieged Baghdad as it was the rich capital and of very high importance to Muslims. I have listed what has happened.

Whom you called Khalif whom not is none of my concern but the Khalifa was in relation with Mohammad ( blood lineage). And was brutally killed by the Mongols. As per the history and events I am posting here.

And later Mongols converted themselves into Muslims to destroy and contaminate the Islamic ideology and culture of arab. And what we see now is the outcome fo that .. Islam has lost it's values because arabs took fight with Mongols. Even the names Muslims use are sort of Mongoloid. Example, Temur, Khan, Mughal.. etc.
 
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:coffee: . It makes only NONSENSE!

Yes, your claim that Nawaz Sharif was a Punjabi Khatri was nonsense, thank you for admitting that.

I did not say it has become equivalent, but what I said is, it is the second largest black day in the history of Islam. When Mongols besieged Baghdad as it was the rich capital and of very high importance to Muslims. I have listed what has happened.

Backtracking again.
First, the Mongols invaded Makkah.
Second, the Mongols invaded Baghdad, spiritual equivalent of Makkah.
Now you're at the Mongol invasion of Makkah was the second darkest day in the Muslim world. :disagree: :tdown:

Whom you called Khalif whom not is none of my concern but the Khalifa was in relation with Mohammad ( blood lineage). And was brutally killed by the Mongols. As per the history and events I am posting here.

Blood lineage doesn't matter in Islam. Why do you think Muhammad chose Abu Bakr as his successor opposed to Ali, who was closely related to him?
 
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Blood lineage doesn't matter in Islam. Why do you think Muhammad chose Abu Bakr as his successor opposed to Ali, who was closely related to him?

Oh well ask A shia about that ;) he will explain you much better :D

Backtracking again.
First, the Mongols invaded Makkah.
Second, the Mongols invaded Baghdad, spiritual equivalent of Makkah.
Now you're at the Mongol invasion of Makkah was the second darkest day in the Muslim world.

If you wish to troll you can troll as much as you like running away from what I said. Please READ AGAIN my previous posts.

Yes, your claim that Nawaz Sharif was a Punjabi Khatri was nonsense, thank you for admitting that.

Because I was not aware that he was a Kashmiri, now I will not call him Punjabi Khatri. But rest of the Punjabis are pure Punjabi Khatris. It's a proven fact!!

Muslim Khatris are originally from Hindu Khatri community of India who had converted to Islam. In western districts of the Punjab (Sargodha, Mianwali, Multan, Jhang, Chakwal, rawalpindi and Faisalabad), converted Khatri traders called themselves "Khoja". Some times they are called "Khoja Sheikh".

from wiki :P
 
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Just like most of the pathans adopted the name Khan from the invasion of Mongolians to show themselves martial race lol ;)

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Pashtuns have adopted the Khan title from Turk Sultans of Delhi , Mughal rulers of India also gave Khan title to their mansabdars including Pashtuns.....not from early Mongol invaders of 13th century. Most of the characters with last name Khan that appear in Indian history , are actually non-Pashtuns. Even converts from Hinduism had Khan titles e.g Khusro Khan. Within Pakistan itself, Balochs like Pashtuns, have also middle name of Khan e.g Zafrullah Khan Jamali, Ataullah Khan Mengal. Some Punjabi clans also uses Khan title.
 
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[QUOTE="Hiptullha, post: 8320202, member: 154718"



And? You pray to monkeys? How does this connect you to Afghans? I don't see South American Catholics or Ashkenazi Jews talking about being part of Solomon's Kingdom because they worship the same deity.



Yes, I've heard that shupa pawa nonsense a thousand times. No need to remind me about how you folks will get flying Vimanas with gomutra-enriched missiles which will obliterate Muslim masjids and women radars so every once in a while you can land and assault some poor broad.[/QUOTE]
Look at Afghanisthans history they were all Buddhists /Hindus so were the central asians ,Mongolia even now is Buddhist country which basically means the Huns were buddhist.
Buddhist revere Jataka tales and they too pray to Monkeys and all kinds of Animals.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Afghanistan


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gandhara (This shows you worshipped the same figures and figurines as Hindus did)


Regarding your superpower rant,
We already left your in the race,as it is evident from your Intellectuals in Pakistan.You keep asking please give us some attention,when conventionally and economically we are looking at competing with much bigger players.Pakistan we forgot about it in 1971.
( from your Air chief Marshall)
 
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In my opinion, Hindus are not only weak but also susceptible to conversion to other religions. Take my maternal ancestors for example, they were Hindus and survived fine even with all the foreign invasions as high caste brahmins, yet converted to Islam during the rule of a Hindu ruler. Pathetic.

Yes and that gave you a chance to be a part of a great religion. Now enjoy. My good wishes are there with you.
 
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Look how indian defending rss here .
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Thn they ask us to ban JUD .
****off ugly neighbor ..
 
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