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US message in drone strikes: If Pakistan doesn't take on Taliban, we will

By Howard LaFranchi, Staff writer / June 28, 2011
Washington

US drone attacks targeting militants in Pakistan’s North Waziristan region Monday sent a “we told you” message to Pakistan’s leadership: If you won’t take on the Taliban and other extremists crossing over to fight in Afghanistan, we will.

The Obama administration has stepped up drone strikes inside Pakistan over the past year – in particular in the North Waziristan region abutting Afghanistan in recent months. Pakistani officials have called publicly for the strikes to cease, insisting they alienate the general population.

At the same time, the Pakistani military has also promised – as recently as late May – that an offensive against North Waziristan’s havens was imminent. But no such offensive into North Waziristan, stronghold of groups like the Afghan Taliban and the Haqqani network, has been launched.

The strikes this week, which reportedly killed up to 21 militants, suggest the US has no intention of waiting.

The attacks occur as US-Pakistan relations, never easy, pass through a particularly tense period in the aftermath of the successful American raid that killed Osama bin Laden in his compound not far from the Pakistani capital.

Pakistan has ordered a steep reduction in the number of US intelligence agents and special-operations forces in the country, while some in the US Congress advocate cuts in aid to Pakistan. Some officials and experts on both sides conclude it’s time for a divorce between the two countries.

But Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton told the Senate Foreign Relations Committee last week that, even though conducting diplomatic relations with Pakistan can be a “very outraging experience,” there remain compelling national security and regional stability reasons for the US to offer Pakistan substantial defense and development assistance.

Speaking at the same hearing, Sen. Richard Lugar of Indiana, the senior Republican on the committee, offered a succinct argument for why the US needs a strategic partnership with Pakistan.

“Despite the death of Osama bin Laden, Al Qaeda and other terrorist groups maintain a strong presence. And there is no question that the threat of these groups – combined with worries about state collapse, a Pakistani war with India, the safety of the Pakistani nuclear arsenal, and Pakistan’s intersection with other states in the region – make it a strategically vital country, worth the cost of engagement,” Senator Lugar said.

The drone strikes do not contradict that argument, but they also convey a message that the US has certain expectations of the relationship – and that the US will not sit by if it determines its national security is threatened, as President Obama stated in his June 22 speech on Afghanistan policy.

“So long as I am president, the United States will never tolerate a safe haven for those who aim to kill us,” Mr. Obama said.

Secretary Clinton has said she told Pakistani officials when she visited the country after the bin Laden operation that the US has set benchmarks for Pakistan to meet. Those include taking a more aggressive stance against terrorist groups and senior Al Qaeda leaders and supporting Taliban reconciliation in Afghanistan.

It is not clear if Clinton, who was accompanied by Adm. Mike Mullen, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, pressed upon the Pakistanis the importance of undertaking an offensive into North Waziristan. Some Pakistani military commanders announced publicly in the days following the Americans’ visit that such an operation would be forthcoming.

Some Pakistan experts caution against the US pressing for something that might end up backfiring. A Pakistani military push into North Waziristan could end up further destabilizing a precariously fragile Pakistani state, says Michael Kugelman, a South Asia expert at the Woodrow Wilson International Center for Scholars in Washington.

“The US either doesn’t understand or chooses to disregard that having Pakistani forces enter that particular tribal area would have huge blowback,” Mr. Kugelman says. “It would very likely destabilize Pakistan more than it is now.”

Why? Militants in the region primarily focused on routing the US from Afghanistan might be flushed out of North Waziristan, Kugelman argues – and they might end up in neighboring territories where the militants are more focused on undermining the Pakistani state.

“If you have all these different groups banding together, you essentially have the conditions for the insurgency against the Pakistani government to increase,” Kugelman says. “The US has to consider that it has a much more vital interest in a stable Pakistan than any other interest in Afghanistan.”

US message in drone strikes: If Pakistan doesn't take on Taliban, we will - CSMonitor.com

If we keep saying Pakistan is not taking on the Taliban, then we can keep justifying the murders. Also this bombing was in SWA where we have governmental control, in fact full on Army control.
 
WHAT THE HELL IS GOING ON, THEY ARE KILLING INNOCENTS, HOW DO THEY KNOW THAT THERE WERE NO INNOCENTS IN THOSE HOUSES AND HOW MANY CHILDREN THEY HAVE KILLED.

I SALUTE USA FOR SPREADING TERRORISM.

Mate this is what happens when terrorists have safe havens in your country. Innocents die along with the targets. Sleep with the dogs, and you are bound to wake up playing host to a lot of ticks..
 
As Pakistan has been arguing for a while, the issue would settle down considerably if it was Pakistan conducting these strikes, and not the US.

Theoretically, Yes. But then from American POV, they tested Pakistan with the intel on 2 (or was it 4) Bomb factories, and their suspicions of Info getting leaked to Terrorists got reconfirmed. With that credibility, its gonna be a tough sell for Pakistan to convince USA on Pakistan leading the strikes...
 
Theoretically, Yes. But then from American POV, they tested Pakistan with the intel on 2 (or was it 4) Bomb factories, and their suspicions of Info getting leaked to Terrorists got reconfirmed. With that credibility, its gonna be a tough sell for Pakistan to convince USA on Pakistan leading the strikes...

In fact it was proven, American intel was wrong. Any forensic analyst can prove/disprove the Pakistani claim that there never was a bomb factory there.

Pakistan says intel on bomb factories was wrong - Yahoo! News
 
Mate this is what happens when terrorists have safe havens in your country. Innocents die along with the targets. Sleep with the dogs, and you are bound to wake up playing host to a lot of ticks..

You can use the same argument replace terrorists with roaches. If you use a shotgun to kill cockroaches, you will end up tearing a lot of holes in your house. There is no practical way drone attacks would be able to kill all terrorists. To kill the leaders snipers and bullets should be used, but they are just using bombs and calling it a surgical strike.

Missiles should not be used in populated areas, plain and simple.
 
US = Terrorism

Alleged militants - confirmed innocents dead as well unacceptable to Pakistan
 
U.S. drones kill 21 militants in NW Pakistan - Yahoo! News

WANA, Pakistan (Reuters) - Missile strikes from two

U.S. drones killed at least 21 suspected militants in Pakistan's South Waziristan on Monday, Pakistani officials said, part of an intensified U.S. assault in the tribal belt this month.

In the first strike, a missile hit a moving vehicle in Ghalmandi Panga village on the Afghan border, killing eight militants.

A few hours later, another drone fired three missiles into a militant training center in Mantoi town, about 30 km north of South Waziristan's main town of Wana.

"It was a big compound which was used as training center. Militants have cordoned off the area and bodies are being removed from the rubble," an intelligence official in the region, who declined to be identified, told Reuters. Thirteen militants were killed in the second strike.

Another official said militant casualties could rise.

There was no way to verify the deaths independently. Militants often dispute official casualty tolls.

U.S. forces have stepped up strikes by remotely-controlled drones in Pakistan's border regions since the killing of Osama bin Laden by U.S. forces in the country last month.

Eighty-eight militants have been killed by U.S. drones this month, according to a Reuters tally based on statements from intelligence officials.

Pakistan publicly opposes drone attacks, saying it complicates its efforts to fight militants who want to topple the pro-U.S. government and impose strict Islamic rule in the country.

The United States has been pushing Pakistan to step up its war against militants who carry out attacks on Western forces in Afghanistan from their bases in Pakistan's tribal belt.

Good job USA, kill all the militants..
 
I am more concerned about Pakistani sovereignty being violated by these terrorists who roam freely in our Tribal Regions.

I totally support these drone attacks. They have done a great service to Pakistan in wiping out these terrorists.

Until and unless Pakistan doesnt send its ground forces to bring these areas under control, these areas should be attacked by drones.
 

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