TV boss Muzzammil Hassan found guilty of beheading wife

[Spitfighter]

Please don't twist my words.
I specifically said 'south Asia' to include India in this problem.
Again, I explicitly ruled out religion as the cause and explained it is a cultural problem.
A cultural problem shared between Pakistan and India.

I'm not twisting your words. I said 'I don't think its a problem in India THOUGH'.

I never said anything about religion being the cause, I see it as more of a symptom. Also, I don't see how its a problem we share. We don't have anywhere near the sort of religious extremism you'd find in Pakistan or Afghanistan (including naturalized citizens living abroad).

 

[fallstuff]

@Santro, we're having a discussion about honor killing so I think religious fundamentalism is on topic.

The killing was not an honor killing, it was domestic violence. It has more to do with a man losing control over his wife then fundamentalism.

 

[Spitfighter]

^^ I think beheading someone is pretty symbolic of an honor killing and that's exactly how its being interpreted by everyone that's familiar with the case.

 

[Developereo]

I'm not twisting your words. I said 'I don't think its a problem in India THOUGH'.

I never said anything about religion being the cause, I see it as more of a symptom. Also, I don't see how its a problem we share. We don't have anywhere near the sort of religious extremism you'd find in Pakistan or Afghanistan (including naturalized citizens living abroad).

You are arguing in circles. You assume religion is a motivating factor in the killing and then ask why that is so.

As shown in an earlier post, India has its own share of honor killings across the religious spectrum.

This is a result of an authoritarian, dogmatic culture.

 

[fallstuff]

^^ I think beheading someone is pretty symbolic of an honor killing and that's exactly how its being interpreted by everyone that's familiar with the case.

Not really. You are more likely to buy into this type of interpretations. There are millions of Muslims living in America. One or two killings actually does not indicate any trend or a social problem. Men killing women and then dismembering their bodies are more common and more grusome then the topic being discussed. However, if a Muslim man does that its somehow tagged with honor killing.

 

[Developereo]

^^ I think beheading someone is pretty symbolic of an honor killing and that's exactly how its being interpreted by everyone that's familiar with the case.

He said explicity that he was being 'abused'. Where does the honor killing angle come into all this?

 

[fallstuff]

INTIMATE PARTNER VIOLENCE WITHIN SPECIFIC RELIGIOUS GROUPS

Currently, very few studies exist which measure the extent and nature of intimate partner violence (IPV)
within specific religious and spiritual groups. In searching for statistics for the development of this packet,
the National Resource Center on Domestic Violence (NRCDV) found statements relevant to IPV within
the Jewish and Muslim faiths. As credible research reports on the extent and nature of IPV within these and
other faiths become available, their findings will be added to the contents of this packet.

Jewish Community

■ An estimate by the organization Jewish Women International indicates that 15 to 25% of all
Jewish households experience domestic violence. This rate is the same among Orthodox,
Conservative, and Reform Jews. [Giller, B. & Goldsmith, E. (1980). All in the Family: A Study
of Intra-familial Violence in the Los Angeles Jewish Community [unpublished masters thesis]. Los
Angeles, CA: Hebrew Union College and University of Southern California.]

■ One out of five Jewish women are abused by their partners – a rate that is consistent with that
of the general population. However, the statistics show that Jewish women remain in abusive
relationships five to seven years longer than non-Jewish women. [Hadassah (n.d.). Domestic
Abuse Does Not Discriminate. Retrieved July 2003 from: ]Site Map | Hadassah, The Women's Zionist Org of America


Muslim Community

■ According to estimates by Muslim activists in the United States, approximately ten percent of
Muslim women are abused emotionally, psychologically, and/or physically by their husbands.[Faizi, N. (2001). Domestic violence in Muslim communities. Texas Journal of Women and the
Law, 10, 209-230.]


link:

http://new.vawnet.org/Assoc_Files_VAWnet/NRC_ReligionStatistics.pdf

 

[SMC]

Spitfighter, I am not quite sure you know what honour killings are. Even the western media has made it clear that this is no such killing. It was a domestic violence homicide.

Yes, there are about 1,800 domestic violence homicides each year in the US. The difference between those and this one being that this person acted for all muslims, whereas the other individuals act for themselves.