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TV boss Muzzammil Hassan found guilty of beheading wife

bharti propaganda, thats why many pakistanis advocate a ban on all bhartis indiscriminately....

ban all these bharat rakshaks

i especially suggest some of these bhart rakshak posters to be perma banned, so that others learn no to hit on pakistanis, in their own forum
 
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Well since it's being done by a Pakistani and/or muslim, he acts and speaks for all Pakistanis and/or muslims. Whereas if a murder or a killing is carried out by an individual from another group, that person is acting for himself/herself.
 
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I think its unreasonable to link this event to Pakistan.

But its relevant to west - muslim relations in general because of the irony of this guys actions.
 
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Jeeez, spitfighter thought only applied to Pakistan. Honor Killing and family reputation is common in South Asia. It happened in Canada as well.



1,000 honour killings in India every year



Nineteen year old Asha was tortured to death along with her 20-year-old boyfriend Yogesh Kumar in north Delhi’s Swaroop Nagar area.
When police found the couple, they had multiple stab wounds.
Police have accused Asha’s father, her uncle, her cousin, her aunt and her mother in the murders.
The family told reporters they “have no regrets whatsoever”.
Not too far away from where this couple lived, cousins Shobha and Monica grew up walking to school together and sharing their secrets.
Monica, 23, fell in love with Kuldeep Singh, 26 and married him with the help of Shoba four years ago.
Shoba also helped her sister Khushbu, a model, to elope with a man from another caste.
Shobha, Monica and Kuldeep were each shot twice in the head on the evening of June 20.
Their suspected murderers are Shobha’s brother, Mandeep. The other was Monica’s brother, Ankit. The third was a local boy known to them both.

Earlier in Delhi, 22-year old Nirupama Pathak wanted to marry another fellow journalist who was her batch mate but hailed from a lower caste. She was found stangled. Her mother has been arrested.
Last week in Haryana’s Fatehabad district, a teen boy and a girl were found dead under mysterious circumstances and police arrested the two maternal uncles of the girl for killing the couple.
Shyam Mohammed and Reena, around 17 to 18 years of age, were also found dead in the open fields in Smain village of the same district.
According to police, Shyam and Reena wanted to marry but their families and the local village council was against the alliance.
Belgium-based Amritpal Kaur had fallen in love with Lakhwinder Singh, who belongs to a lower caste, and her parents didn’t approve of the relationship.
So they lured her to the Sikh holy city of Amritsar and poisoned her last week.
These are just some of the 20 cases of honour killings reported in Northern India over the past three months.
In addition to brothers gunning down sisters, mothers strangling their daughters and uncles orchestrating the murders of their kin in the cities of India, village councils or khap panchayats from Jharkhand, Haryana, Tamil Nadu and Andhra Pradesh are also enforcing the age old practice of gotra which prohibits intermarriage within the clan and in many cases the same village.
All in all, experts believe that more than 1,000 young people in India are murdered every year in honour killings Chandigarh-based legal experts Anil Malhotra and his brother Ranjit Malhotra said recently at the International Child Abduction, Relocation and Forced Marriages Conference organised by the London Metropolitan University.
In a joint paper, they said: “Forced marriages and honour killings are often intertwined. Marriage can be forced to save honour, and women can be murdered for rejecting a forced marriage and marrying a partner of their own choice who is not acceptable for the family of the girl….honour killings are basically ‘justified’ as a sanction for ‘dishonourable’ behaviour.”
Stung by international criticism and shocked by the recent spate of killings, India’s political parties of various stripes have all called for specific legislation to curb this social menace.
But village elders and members of the khap panchayat have warned that any such legislation will only make matters worse.
In an Indian media report, Rajkumar Numberdar, a khap panchayat leader of Narnoud village was quoted as saying: “It is not as if girls and boys did not fall in love earlier. But, of late, it is becoming difficult to control them because they know they just need to elope and ask for police protection. If politicians want to foist their warped ideas on us, why don’t they first kill off village elders?”
Another village councilor, Rajveer Dhanda said: “If the government sends these elopers to jail instead of giving them police protection, the malaise will be taken care of in no time.”
Fabian Dawson, deputy editor-in-chief of The Province newspaper in Vancouver, Canada, said these so called honour killings not only shame India but also its vibrant and powerful diaspora around the planet.

“On one hand we have post-modern India signing nuclear deals and on the other we have a tribal system that kills young people because they fall in love, giving the impression that India is still in the medieval era,” said the veteran journalist of South Asian descent, who exposed the sensational honour killing of British Columbian beautician Jaswinder Kaur in news stories and documentaries. (see justiceforjassi.com).
Veteran Bollywood actor Om Puri, who plays a village head against same-clan marriages in his next film “Khap...A Story of Honour Killing”, agrees.:tup:
“This is a very grave topic. It is so disturbing when you see that these honour killings are not happening in any remote area, but in the heart of the country. It is creating a bad impression about our country in the international circuit,” Puri told IANS.
Alarmed by the steep rise in suspected honour killings, India’s central government has decided to bring a new bill providing for the prosecution of the entire khap panchayat for ordering violent punishment for young couples marrying against their rulings.
Law and Justice Minister M. Veerappa Moily said under the new law, members of khap panchayat, who order the killing of the couples who dare to go against the dictates of these panchayats will be treated as accomplices in the crime.
The Congress and the Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP), India’s main political forces also sought strict action against the culprits in cases of honour killings.
The BJP said that honour killings were cold-blooded murders and demanded setting up of fast-track courts to deal with such cases.
The Congress favoured a specific law to deal with honour killings.
“If the existing criminal laws of the land are not sufficient, the government should consider a suitable law,” Congress spokesperson Jayanthi Natarajan told reporters.
– with IANS
 
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^ I find this spitfighter guy doesn't really think about what he's saying before saying it. He's said similar stuff before. There's a grand total of one such reported killing by a Pakistani in the US, and the Pakistani community should now start introspecting and trying to fix the problem. WTF?

How about this news, also from US:

Wife's killing: hubby, mother-in-law get life term


Yes, it's 3 years old, but that's not relevant. But I suppose Indian Americans should also start introspecting and trying to fix this problem. Or did this guy and the mother in law acted for themselves? Sarcasm aside, point is that this doesn't represent whole Indian american community.

I mean, really, think about what you say before speaking such nonsense.
 
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How does religious fundamentalism come into this topic? You mean the Times square guy now also represents Pakistanis in the US?
 
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Just a few pages back you were making stereotypes based on this one case. Now that's not working now. So now, why are we allowed to stereotype people only by religious fundamentalism? Is religious fundamentalism the only wrong one can do?
 
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You're taking a while with you're reply so I'll be back in ~2 hours. (Not sarcasm, relax, something came up)
 
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Lol at spitfighter desperately trying to make Pakistanis seem like crazy terrorists :lol:

Fail!

Thanks for your "concern", but its not needed.
 
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The issue here is not religion but culture. South Asian culture, to be precise.
(Yes, these problems also exist in other cultures, notably Middle Eastern, but let's focus on south Asia for now.)

The basic problem is the authoritarian nature of our culture. Someone in authority says something and it becomes dogma. Nobody may dare question it. We couch it in euphemisms like "respect for authority" or "respect for elders" but the point is that there is no room or attempt at persuasion and justification. Only dogma.

Bas, mein ne jo keha, to hua.

From our mullahs to our teachers to our politicians -- no one is prepared to answer questions or justify their position through persuasion. All they do is issue fatwas or edicts and expect blind obedience. So when someone fails to obey, these people don't know how to react, other than flying into a blind rage.
 
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I think so too. Pakistanis in US are well integrated . Cases of them involving crimes is very rare. The credit also goes to US for giving them the opportunity to integrate unlike UK, were they seem marginalized .

I don't think that is the case. Pakistanis here are pretty well integrated into our society too. We actually have more crimes commited by caucasians and afro caribbeans than asians and orientals. In general people here live in harmony and problems are very few, depending on the area of course. I personally consider UK to be very similar to the US when it comes down to opportunities for members of ethnic groups.
 
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This might come as a surprise to you, but a lot of people are wondering whether Islam is compatible with liberal western values. I think it isn't. People may disagree, that's their right. I'd like to elaborate, but it'll have to wait.

I think you are wrong!!!!! Look at Indian Muslims.. how many such examples, similar to the ones in this thread can you quote? Its open to debate, but I think secular nations have done better than nations that brand themselves Islamic when you strictly compare the conduct of Muslims among the two!
 
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I think you are wrong!!!!! Look at Indian Muslims.. how many such examples, similar to the ones in this thread can you quote? Its open to debate, but I think secular nations have done better than nations that brand themselves Islamic when you strictly compare the conduct of Muslims among the two!

I agree. Perhaps I wasn't very clear, but that's sort of what I've been getting at from the start. Many people are indeed wondering whether Islam is compatible with western values, but Indians have nothing to do it. Religious fundamentalism isn't a problem in our society precisely because we've managed (to an extent) to exclude religion from state affairs. However, as SMC pointed out, when it comes to Islam people in the west think along religious lines so every one gets lumped together. They don't think Indian or Pakistani, they think Muslim.

Sohni Dharti summed it up pretty neatly in his post, religious extremism is a result of South Asian/middle eastern culture. I don't think it has too much to do with India though, fortunately we aren't a theocracy so its primarily a Pakistani/Afghan problem.
 
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@Santro, we're having a discussion about honor killing so I think religious fundamentalism is on topic.
 
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Sohni Dharti summed it up pretty neatly in his post, religious extremism is a result of South Asian/middle eastern culture. I don't think it has too much to do with India though, fortunately we aren't a theocracy so its primarily a Pakistani/Afghan problem.

Please don't twist my words.
I specifically said 'south Asia' to include India in this problem.

@Santro, we're having a discussion about honor killing so I think religious fundamentalism is on topic.

Again, I explicitly ruled out religion as the cause and explained it is a cultural problem.
A cultural problem shared between Pakistan and India.
 
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