TURNING POINT IN THE HISTORY OF INDIAN SUBCONTINENT

[Joe Shearer]

we r also part of ancient india.

He forgot that when he was writing his post. He forgets a lot, very often. I think he may be mentally defective as well.

 

[vsdoc]

Dude what is the starting salary of a doctor in india?

I don't know dude.

I started a long time ago.

And I now hire super specialists at least 10 years into the game.

 

[Joe Shearer]

Now what? the Aryans came way back then? The Aryan theory is a funny one, constantly changing to keep up with the facts. The Iranians can't be dated to Iran (does not mean they weren't there though) beyond the 9th century BCE (Assyrian sources) and only much later in Central Asia. The geography of the Avesta is the eastern Iran (western Iran is completely unknown) and the Indian subcontinent (till the Punjab) & Afghanistan. Makes you wonder, doesn't it?

How did you get the geography of the Avesta being the Indian sub-continent and Afghanistan? I don't know that this is correct, though I agree emphatically about the eastern Iran bit. The only connection of Afghanistan with the Avesta or with Zoroastrianism is the reputed death and burial of Zarathustra himself in what is today Seistan, and was then Arachosia. But why India? I doubt that strongly. Do you have a reference?

You are talking about Nanda Empire@ Dark Prince. It just proves why People of this map's region are most Muslim.

This is a big-time dimwit we have here. The Nanda Empire was a very small and very insignificant part of Indian history, even of ancient Indian history.

 

[Joe Shearer]

Which probably means that the Aryan waves were simply not big enough in terms of genetic load.

But big on geographical and social flux.

Exactly. This is where it begins to make sense, once we release bird-brained ideas of huge masses of people rushing in.

So there was no fking after all..

Lots of it. Ongoing. How do you think we got to be the second most populous nation in the world?

 

[Rig Vedic]

You actually answered the OP's question. Puranic Hinduism pretty much castrated this country. Everything was either maya or Karma, what incentive was there for people to strive? The golden age of Hinduism that is often mentioned is more accurately the golden age of Buddhism though the rulers, the Guptas happened to be Hindu. As Buddhism declined & puranic Hinduism took hold, India slipped into a morass.By the end of the Gupta period, caste was firmly entrenched & that pretty much doomed "India". The Kshatriyas were pretty useless in fighting & essentially needed to count on the Shudras to provide the numbers. What incentive was there for the Shudras to fight against one bunch of oppressors when the other bunch, already existing, were doing the same oppression for years? Stupid clan rules, rigidly followed, were taken to such extremes that artisans were not even allowed to change their tools across generations disincentivising any innovation. When "thinking" was made the monopoly of the few, it was the death blow whereby the intelligence of the large majority of people was rendered unusable guaranteeing a rapid civilisational decline. Regardless of individual brilliance or philosophical genius of a few, Hindu India was pretty much doomed by puranic Hinduism. The Bhakthi movement which revived Hinduism for some time was a far cry from the extraordinary metaphysical postulations of the Upanishads, a dumbing down if you will. Islamic invasions only hastened that decline by wiping out the "thinkers" in the cities. Hinduism remained in a slump, dying & decaying slowly till ironically the advent of the British helped breathe new energy into it..

The period around 500 AD was a dark age in many locations. India was in the grip of social evils which were hollowing out the strength of the civilization. The Romans were in trouble and Europe would also go through a dark age of misery and superstition. In the middle east an aggressive new faith was about to be born, which would destroy the Persian civilization and eventually the Byzantines too.

 

[vsdoc]

Lots of it. Ongoing. How do you think we got to be the second most populous nation in the world?

That and no TV.

 

[Joe Shearer]

You adopted the religion of Aryan Empire. So yes, they actually fked you.

What Aryan Empire is the cretin babbling about? When there were no Aryans, how come an Aryan empire? A Waffen SS Armee that lost its way?

You adopted the religion of Aryan Empire. So yes, they actually fked you.

So did you, and got on further to another religion, then a third. Score: BD Cretin - 3, Indians - 1.

Gee, you sure do know how to get fcked. Really professional.

 

[Joe Shearer]

The fall of Zoroastrians to Khalid bin Walid. This was the start. We all had great relations when we embraced Islam. You are always slow going. You were never a part of Aryan, was never a part of Iranian, never was a part of Mughal and will never be. They just came and rule over you. The southern Indian people.

And north Indians vanished into thin air. Like the fruits of this poster's very poor digestion.

we are not know. You are may be. How many Gods you have then!! I can't count. Why don't you start writing. You may get my name too.

It isn't counting that is your problem. It's writing. Also thinking.

 

[Iggy]

Lots of it. Ongoing. How do you think we got to be the second most populous nation in the world?

Thank God!! I was starting to get disappointed.. I thought it was like all those ads about beautiful singles in my area waiting for me!!

 

[Sashan]

Exactly. This is where it begins to make sense, once we release bird-brained ideas of huge masses of people rushing in.




Lots of it. Ongoing. How do you think we got to be the second most populous nation in the world?

Hahaha - And people say Indians are small. Used to remember Charlie Harper's quotes in "Two and a half men" - I maybe average but I make it up with enthusiasm.

 

[Joe Shearer]

Brahmin is not a race you should know that first.

Be careful. You are taking on a very compliicated class.

 

[vsdoc]

Thank God!! I was starting to get disappointed.. I thought it was like all those ads about beautiful singles in my area waiting for me!!

Maybe your tense muscles need a massage.

Full service .....

 

[indushek]

Because it is needed to fight the extremist Hindutva agenda that Islam has less right to be in India than the "indigenous" faiths. The following post by Rusty sums it up:





The only thing the genetic studies prove is that any foreign influence was not a massive physical invasion. The issue here is the Aryan cultural invasion; there is no reason why such an invasion need be accompanied by a large physical conquest. In the old days before democracy, all you had to do was to gain control of the ruling/spiritual strata and the masses would follow.

The Vedic and other influences came from areas which were foreign to the subcontinent masses at the time. Just because later empires encompassed them, centuries afterwards, somehow makes the original influence retroactively "indigenous"? By that logic, if India were to invade and conquer Saudi Arabia, would it then make Islam "indigenous" to India?

I simply meant that these discussions will only lead to accusations and counter accusations finally leading to bad taste in the mouth. Its better concentrate on present and plan for future. Nothing can be done of bygones other than learning the mistakes committed by one and taking care that they are not repeated. This holds good for an individual as well as a nation.

 

[Bang Galore]

How did you get the geography of the Avesta being the Indian sub-continent and Afghanistan? I don't know that this is correct, though I agree emphatically about the eastern Iran bit. The only connection of Afghanistan with the Avesta or with Zoroastrianism is the reputed death and burial of Zarathustra himself in what is today Seistan, and was then Arachosia. But why India? I doubt that strongly. Do you have a reference?

The geographical locations are mentioned in the Videvdad (Vendidad). Hapta-Handu is one of the geographical locations of the Avesta.

I looked for a link. This should help (disclaimer: just read briefly, so there may be parts that I don't agree with)

AVESTAN GEOGRAPHY ? Encyclopaedia Iranica

 

[indushek]

I being a Brahmin couldn't stop myself from posting ontopic, it seems that lots of people hate 'me' as in the Brahmin me.

Hey Joe what is your take on this Evil Brahmin exploitation, Bang Galore has given a wonderful post couldn't u put your eloquence in to a post. Let me tell you before hand, i am not that 'emotionally' concerned for the hatred or whatever part but think that the share of responsibility we get in fking up the Indian society is rather large.

Waiting Eagerly, sincerely

Evil Brahmin.