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Arabic is the standard language in heaven.

Fawad Alam is right on the point when he said our scripture was changed intentionally to distance our society from Islam and our roots/history. For decades we were taught how barbaric, backward and uncultivated Arabs were in our schools and society in general. We were constantly fed with the idea that Turkey should look and imitate west when westerns wouldn't even trust us. This is typical case of brain washing of the general populace. Things are taking a change in course today elhamdullah.

Fawad Alam is correct on allot of things in this topic, having done his research and educated him self on Turkish matters/history. Props to him.

Pray for Mustafa Kemal Ataturk for his reforms and sense of nationalism he installed in Turks, otherwise people like you would have been calling every Syrian in Turkey a shaykh right now. You dont have to look far beyond our borders with Europe and Middle East to see who is advanced and who is backwards in technology, rights, morals and treatment of one another.

Also there is absolutely nothing as a solid source which mentioned Arabic being the language of paradise so another bs people who no knowledge sprout, whats next saying shit in Arabic is holy?

Pakistan, Iran, Syria, Iraq all have "Arabic / Persian" script and yes they are wayyyy more advanced then the west and us of course not to mention they are all grade A imams......
 
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Pray for Mustafa Kemal Ataturk for his reforms and sense of nationalism he installed in Turks, otherwise people like you would have been calling every Syrian in Turkey a shaykh right now. You dont have to look far beyond our borders with Europe and Middle East to see who is advanced and who is backwards in technology, rights, morals and treatment of one another.

Also there is absolutely nothing as a solid source which mentioned Arabic being the language of paradise so another bs people who no knowledge sprout, whats next saying shit in Arabic in holy?

Pakistan, Iran, Syria, Iraq all have "Arabic / Persian" script and yes they are wayyyy more advanced then the west and us of course not to mention they are all grade A imams......
The governments after Ataturk were to soft on the policies,thats why we have such ''thinkers'',they should have been more strict and hanged a couple of these radicals every year.
We wouldnt have these problems now.
 
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Pray for Mustafa Kemal Ataturk for his reforms and sense of nationalism he installed in Turks, otherwise people like you would have been calling every Syrian in Turkey a shaykh right now. You dont have to look far beyond our borders with Europe and Middle East to see who is advanced and who is backwards in technology, rights, morals and treatment of one another.

Also there is absolutely nothing as a solid source which mentioned Arabic being the language of paradise so another bs people who no knowledge sprout, whats next saying shit in Arabic in holy?

Pakistan, Iran, Syria, Iraq all have "Arabic / Persian" script and yes they are wayyyy more advanced then the west and us of course not to mention they are all grade A imams......


A guy who has a grey wolf as his avatar and “Turk” written in Turkic Orkhon script and talking about Turan in his signature says how important Arab language and arabic script is for the Turkish nation... I remember him welcoming his Syrian brothers too and post Kadir Misiroglu’s brain farts all over the place too. The same historian who was talking how it would have been better if the Greeks and their allies conquered Anatolia instead of Ataturk because that way the Khalifat would have still supposedly be alive. A typical wanna be Arab, Islamist and uneducated day dreamer who is hiding behind a fake profile.
 
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Pray for Mustafa Kemal Ataturk for his reforms and sense of nationalism he installed in Turks, otherwise people like you would have been calling every Syrian in Turkey a shaykh right now. You dont have to look far beyond our borders with Europe and Middle East to see who is advanced and who is backwards in technology, rights, morals and treatment of one another.

Also there is absolutely nothing as a solid source which mentioned Arabic being the language of paradise so another bs people who no knowledge sprout, whats next saying shit in Arabic is holy?

Pakistan, Iran, Syria, Iraq all have "Arabic / Persian" script and yes they are wayyyy more advanced then the west and us of course not to mention they are all grade A imams......

I don't have to pray for M. Kamal for anything thank you very much. You are blinded (brain washed) by the education system that was in place for many decades, instilling unnecessary love, affection for M. Kamal.. blindly following his ideology like as though he was a true nationalist and patriot. Turks have always been progressive people from dawn to dusk (evelden ezele) adopting to the changing dynamics of the geography and the world patterns, whether that may be the Gokturks, Selcuks and Ottomans (mind you Ottomans were first/inventors in allot of fields) so to credit M. Kamal for all the progress in the current republic, including the recent developments in the last couple decades is blind/brainwashed ideological adoption.

Adopting western scripture/alphabet doesn't necessarily mean the people/country is destined to great progress. China for example was dirt poor in the 50's & 60's, yet with great leadership and change of mental attitude in the country as whole, they are now destined to be the next rising superpower, yet, they have their very own scripture since inception of literacy.

Arabic is the language of paradise, whether you believe this or not doesn't worry me. Islam clearly indicates this in allot of fields. You're obviously not an avid/devout follower so it seems you have no knowledge on this.

The governments after Ataturk were to soft on the policies,thats why we have such ''thinkers'',they should have been more strict and hanged a couple of these radicals every year.
We wouldnt have these problems now.

You are referring to me as a radical yet you want to "hang" your very own fellow Turkish men for having a different view on M. Kamal.. So, who's the real radical, you or me? Would it be fair to call you a Kemalist fundamentalist/extremist?

Since I've come to this forum I have noticed there's at least 12 or more Turkish members with similar views as me, yet, they don't seem to be as vocal about these issues as me. We're more of a quiet Turks that know what's real or not and not blinded/brainwashed by the indoctrination. Would you like to "hang" all of us as well?

I personally don't want to hang anyone and certainly don't wish any ill feelings to my fellow Turkish members in here. We as a nation are on course to real progress and growth in all areas of the country and I only wish good and I have faith that in time, you also will come to the realisation of what's real and what's not.
 
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I don't have to pray for M. Kamal for anything thank you very much. You are blinded (brain washed) by the education system that was in place for many decades, instilling unnecessary love, affection for M. Kamal.. blindly following his ideology like as though he was a true nationalist and patriot. Turks have always been progressive people from dawn to dusk (evelden ezele) adopting to the changing dynamics of the geography and the world patterns, whether that may be the Gokturks, Selcuks and Ottomans (mind you Ottomans were first/inventors in allot of fields) so to credit M. Kamal for all the progress in the current republic, including the recent developments in the last couple decades is blind/brainwashed ideological adoption.

Adopting western scripture/alphabet doesn't necessarily mean the people/country is destined to great progress. China for example was dirt poor in the 50's & 60's, yet with great leadership and change of mental attitude in the country as whole, they are now destined to be the next rising superpower, yet, they have their very own scripture since inception of literacy.

Arabic is the language of paradise, whether you believe this or not doesn't worry me. Islam clearly indicates this in allot of fields. You're obviously not an avid/devout follower so it seems you have no knowledge on this.

To bad for you that you have to live or visit the republic he founded, you can pray in your mosque thanks to Ataturk, you are not forced to grow a beard taliban style thanks to Ataturk, you have the choice to follow or not follow your religion or whatever religion you subscribe to thanks to the republic he founded.

I never said adopting Latin script makes you more advance this is something idiots like you keep claiming it makes you a better Muslim if you adopt the Arabic / Persian but at the same time they don't understand 2 sentences from Arabic lol. What I did I imply was if Arabic / Persian script is the standard for an advanced civilisation or makes you a great Muslim then why is Iran, Iraq, Pakistan and pretty much the whole Middle East backwards in every way from technology to morals to the way you treat your fellow countrymen.

As for "Brainwashed" I wasn't educated in Turkey, move along... however yes in Turkey you are taught to love Ataturk just like you are taught to love and respect the founders in America, Europe, UK anywhere you go, big deal? We are not stateless Salafists what do you expect.

Reforms didn't start with Ataturk, they started with the Ottomans, need I mention which ones? Ataturk saved Turkey from the desease of the likes of Salafists in black niqabs and imams blackmailing people in exchange of money for paradise. Turkey would have been like Iran or Pakistan if he did not seperate state from religion.

Yes apart from a questionable hadith which says this, which also says Persian is the language of hell it shows how much knowledge you have... you can follow your Umayyad style Islam the rest of Turkey of distance itself from this. Don't make me post videos and articles that destroy your theory.
 
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...Arabic is the language of paradise...

I have no deal with you at personal level as any regular person can deduct ''your profile'' from your posts, so no offense personally, and therefore i know how it will end as you are not the first one i am in talk to about the similar claims, but still a point to make for others.

That said, Will you please share your sources from Kuran,Hadits, the imams of your branch(without any ''BUT'' in the end)?

Or, instead, Could you please call for the guy who whispered that into your ears?
 
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I don't have to pray for M. Kamal for anything thank you very much
Nobody asked or told you to pray for Ataturk but you have to show respect.
You think i didnt notice your trolling action on the Republic Day thread,such dumb actions tell the person you are.
You are blinded (brain washed) by the education system that was in place for many decades, instilling unnecessary love, affection for M. Kamal.. blindly following his ideology like as though he was a true nationalist and patriot
Im sure you have seen many posts of mine,you think a brainwashed person despite the dumb actions of our current administration and the many fanboy actions on the forum(Turkiye stronk) by some members would defend those dumb members and the country against those attacking them or the country?
It was not only Mustafa Kemal Ataturk but a whole group of people(he was the leader) making sure that we have ''Vatan'',your Ottomans signed the treaty of Sevres where we had only 1/8 of the country(current Turkiye) left,thanks to my Ataturks we signed the treaty of Lausanne and took some of our territories back.
He was a true patriot admired and respected by the world,many world leaders have followed in his footsteps or took his ideology as an example for their countries,important Streets are named after him from Chile to Indonesia,M.Ali Jinnah wanted the same ideology for Pakistan,unfortunately he died before he could do it,may he rest in peace.
Brainwashed is he who doesnt criticize his leader for his mistakes,ask yourself who that is you or me?
You are referring to me as a radical yet you want to "hang" your very own fellow Turkish men for having a different view on M. Kamal.. So, who's the real radical, you or me? Would it be fair to call you a Kemalist fundamentalist/extremist?
Nobody cares if you have different believes,nobody cares if you like Ataturk or not,the problem i have with you is that you do not respect him,i explained why he deserves respect,if you dont respect him,you will always problems with me.
You are a blind brainwashed person if you cant see the wrong doings of the current leadership of our country.
Since I've come to this forum I have noticed there's at least 12 or more Turkish members with similar views as me, yet, they don't seem to be as vocal about these issues as me. We're more of a quiet Turks that know what's real or not and not blinded/brainwashed by the indoctrination. Would you like to "hang" all of us as well?
That is bs,all of those members voiced their views,nobody attacked them for their views,as i have stated many times before,your view is your view,nobody can Judge or attack you for it as long as you respect other views,that was and is the rule with Turkish members,if you get out of line,you will face the consequences.
We were a unit before people like yourself came to the forum and started insulting Ataturk and other members who didnt have the same opinion.
To have a big mouth without content doesnt make you a valued member,you need to substantiate your statement,respect opinions,contribute to the group to be respected and appreciated as one of the group because if you cant dont or wont do that,you're just another fanboy/troll,they come and go.
Try reading before commenting,i would have hanged some radicals every year after Ataturk to remind people not to radicalize or else.
I personally don't want to hang anyone and certainly don't wish any ill feelings to my fellow Turkish members in here. We as a nation are on course to real progress and growth in all areas of the country and I only wish good and I have faith that in time, you also will come to the realisation of what's real and what's not.
Dont worry,nobody wants to hang you,there are others to be hanged.
Lets see in time who will come to the realisation of whats real and whats not,ok?
To conclude it all,show respect to be respected.
 
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The problem is polulism is spreading like a wild fire, Turks are the bad people in their eyes, otherwise pkk wont be tolerated that much, thats what i see from my German collegues at the moment.

you are completely wrong about that...

Germans dont see Turks as bad people... but they see what your government is doing with your country... destruction of democratic, freedom, free press... etc... Germans see Erdogan and his regim as he bad guys.. not the turkish citizen... many see similarities how Erdogan rebuild his nation with how Hitler destroyed the democratic order in Germany... the only different Hitler did it faster without masking himself as the good guy...he just made sure that he gest dictatorship as soon as possible befor other nation could react... Erdogan does it slowly and excuse everytime all is fine...which is not... what democratic nation signs massprosecution against their own academic living outside Turkey... happend only days ago... 1122 academics recived a prosecution for supporting terrorism... all they had done was to sign a peace appeal handed to the turkish governement to stop the destruction of kurdish houses.... now the turkish governemnet claims this is supporting terrorist by propaganda... SERIOUSLY ARE THEY COMPLETELY NUT around Erdogan???? Because your Elite think what the government does is not right and the have the balls to say it and the balls to sign it with their names they are suddenly terrorist support... the queastion is..how is the biggest terrorist to the turkish citizen... Erdogan and his whoreshipper or kurdish people?

Next poit
What you expect should happen if the leader of your nation and his whoreshipper contantly insult the leader of the world... they show no respect against elected leader around the world ...allowing their own press to put Merkel in Nazi uniform etc, Erdogans bodyguard attack peacefull protester in the USA .. not respectiong the freedom of protesting and claiming what ever people want to claim...... what reaction would you think would happen if a german newspaper put a fake photo of Erdogan online in Nazi uniform or Merkels bodyguards would punish turkish citizen in Turkey?... they would run completely NUTS...
First Erdogan let his Army shoot down russian jets and short after he is kissing and licking Putins ***... For sure the S400 deal was the price Turkey had to pay for the shoot down and killing of russian pilots and the embargo from Russia.... true is russian and turks hate each other... I see it here in Germany every day... both young males are pumped up with stupid propaganda from their homeland.

Next point I have to lol about
Germany does only little support Kurds in their fight against ISIS... you thing some MILAN ATGM and firearms are a big deal????????? How about the nealry 354 cost free Leo2 A4 turkey recived from Germany and all the other stuff the EU pump into your nation.

Turks overestimate themself by miles... you are just 17th member of the G20, your international influence is very low and has no effect on global development, since the plot you regional influence has shrunk because Turkey got themself into a dumb situation supporting ISIS not helping the Kurds.. all you did was blind following your own gaols in syria getting more influence... now you have no influence there at all ... what you think the world is thinking about Turkey after watching how Turkish tanks at the boarder to Syria watched the slaugther in Kobane... shame on you... at that time your governement supported a terroror organisation (confirmed by Putin and many other officel sides... including former chairman of the NATO Military Committee General Kujat) and your faggots in power blame others supporting terrorists... they only support poeple willing to fight ISIS... which Turkey for a long time did not...

How weak Turkey in reality is shows your conflict with the Kurds... your nation is not able to end it... not in a military way and not in a peacefull way...

Today Turkey reminds me on the third generation of young Turks living in Germany... pussy boys going to gym using anabolica to look strong...sitting all day long at the barber shop (I know what I am talking about the next is 20m away from my shop) driving expansive cars the family pays for them... they are not able to speak proper German even born and raised in Germany, they tell the girls they are italian to have a chance to get a none turkish girlfriend.
All show off and behind only hot air.... in my company are working several older turks... well educated well integrated.. they are shamed by this generation ...to make it worse at the moment they get pumped up by Erdogan Propaganda... so every missfortune for Turkey is for everyone here a big welcome to shut the big mouths up for a while... best what happened lately was the 0:3 Turkey vs Iceland qualyfier and throw out of Turkys world cup dreams... was nicely quiet that night ... no car corsso through the city waving turkish flags in Germany... and now they remind themself hey we life in Germany now Turkey is out let support our homenation...
For me Turkey is like a young little boy challenging the older bigger guys...till it gets put into place by someone reminding him were his place is...
 
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I don't have to pray for M. Kamal for anything thank you very much. You are blinded (brain washed) by the education system that was in place for many decades, instilling unnecessary love, affection for M. Kamal.. blindly following his ideology like as though he was a true nationalist and patriot. Turks have always been progressive people from dawn to dusk (evelden ezele) adopting to the changing dynamics of the geography and the world patterns, whether that may be the Gokturks, Selcuks and Ottomans (mind you Ottomans were first/inventors in allot of fields) and so to credit M. Kamal for all the progress in the current republic, including the recedevelopments in the last couple decades is blind/brainwashed ideological adoption.

Adopting western scripture/alphabet doesn't necessarily mean the people/country is destined to great progress. China for example was dirt poor in the 50's & 60's, yet with great leadership and change of mental attitude in the country as whole, they are now destined to be the next rising superpower, yet, they have their very own scripture since inception of literacy.

Arabic is the language of paradise, whether you believe this or not doesn't worry me. Islam clearly indicates this in allot of fields. You're obviously not an avid/devout follower so it seems you have no knowledge on this.



You are referring to me as a radical yet you want to "hang" your very own fellow Turkish men for having a different view on M. Kamal.. So, who's the real radical, you or me? Would it be fair to call you a Kemalist fundamentalist/extremist?

Since I've come to this forum I have noticed there's at least 12 or more Turkish members with similar views as me, yet, they don't seem to be as vocal about these issues as me. We're more of a quiet Turks that know what's real or not and not blinded/brainwashed by the indoctrination. Would you like to "hang" all of us as well?

I personally don't want to hang anyone and certainly don't wish any ill feelings to my fellow Turkish members in here. We as a nation are on course to real progress and growth in all areas of the country and I only wish good and I have faith that in time, you also will come to the realisation of what's real and what's not.


I want you to give me specific examples in what fields of science, industry and economics the Ottomans were the pioneers and what are the ground braking inventions that changed the world that are made in the Ottoman Empire- especially in the 18th to the 20th century (years when the Empire turned from the war machine and nightmare of the Christian world that it once was during Fatih Sultan Mehmed, Selim I, Suleyman the Magnificent etc to the Sick Man of Europe). How many schools, universities, industrial factories, hospitals, libraries, museums, theaters, train tracks and paved roads were there in the Empire or more specifically in Anatolia compared to the Industrialized countries of that time or even Poland, Russia.

What is the percentage of people who were able to read, write and do maths in the Turkish/Muslim population of the Empire in it’s last years? How much of the wealth of the Empire was concentrated in their hands when all the foreign and internal trade, banking and factories (both in small numbers and size) were controlled by Greeks, Armenians, Jews and Levantine European Traders? How powerful was an empire whose whole finances were controlled by it’s internal enemies and was heavily indebted and dependent to the Brits, Germans and the French?

While nations like the Dutch, British, Venetians, Spanish, Portuguese, French were putting the fundamentals of international trade and the financial system we now use, while Germans, Americans, Brits, Frenchmen, Scandinavians, Italians etc were pushing ahead the scientific, industrial and military development of the whole modern world the Ottoman Empire in it’s last decades was still an agricultural feudal state where most ethnicities rebelled for freedom and where Turks were used as peasants and cannon fodders only... An empire that was at the mercy of the Great powers and was basically controlled by them. Even many of the high ranking stuff and generals in the Ottoman Empire were Germans during WWI.

With science, visionary politicians and industry a small island like Britain became a global empire that ruled 1/4 of the world and the world oceans and seas, a country that conquered and rulled the Indian Subcontinent with 50 000 people and chocked China by taking it’s ports and controlling it’s trade with a small flotilla of modern ships.

With being backward, refusing to adapt to the changing world, with giving power to cemaats and all kinds of tarikats, with having bad rulers having an absolute power, with having a poor and uneducated population you turn from the Empire of Suleyman the Magnificent and it’s Golden age to the Sick Man of Europe.
 
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I don't have to pray for M. Kamal for anything thank you very much. You are blinded (brain washed) by the education system that was in place for many decades, instilling unnecessary love, affection for M. Kamal.. blindly following his ideology like as though he was a true nationalist and patriot. Turks have always been progressive people from dawn to dusk (evelden ezele) adopting to the changing dynamics of the geography and the world patterns, whether that may be the Gokturks, Selcuks and Ottomans (mind you Ottomans were first/inventors in allot of fields) so to credit M. Kamal for all the progress in the current republic, including the recent developments in the last couple decades is blind/brainwashed ideological adoption.

Adopting western scripture/alphabet doesn't necessarily mean the people/country is destined to great progress. China for example was dirt poor in the 50's & 60's, yet with great leadership and change of mental attitude in the country as whole, they are now destined to be the next rising superpower, yet, they have their very own scripture since inception of literacy.

Arabic is the language of paradise, whether you believe this or not doesn't worry me. Islam clearly indicates this in allot of fields. You're obviously not an avid/devout follower so it seems you have no knowledge on this.



You are referring to me as a radical yet you want to "hang" your very own fellow Turkish men for having a different view on M. Kamal.. So, who's the real radical, you or me? Would it be fair to call you a Kemalist fundamentalist/extremist?

Since I've come to this forum I have noticed there's at least 12 or more Turkish members with similar views as me, yet, they don't seem to be as vocal about these issues as me. We're more of a quiet Turks that know what's real or not and not blinded/brainwashed by the indoctrination. Would you like to "hang" all of us as well?

I personally don't want to hang anyone and certainly don't wish any ill feelings to my fellow Turkish members in here. We as a nation are on course to real progress and growth in all areas of the country and I only wish good and I have faith that in time, you also will come to the realisation of what's real and what's not.

Your mentality and masturbation on Arabic language is a disease and threat to my Republic established by proud Turkish people under the leadership of Mustafa Kemal Ataturk. You can’t even celebrate Republic day properly but implying imaginary things. This nation speaks own language, Turkish proudly. There are many Arab countries speaking Arabic. You can do a citizenship application If you are serious on your words. Turks always show respect to founders/leaders. Here is Turkish Republic, not any Arabic state !

Banned !
 
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US mission in Turkey says visas being processed on 'limited basis'

The U.S. mission in Turkey will resume processing visas on a "limited basis," Reuters reported, citing a mission email that the news agency has claimed to obtain.

The tension between Ankara and Washington escalated to unprecedented levels in October, with the arrest of U.S. Consulate staff member and a mutual suspension of visa services added to the list of ongoing disputes between the NATO allies.

The arrest of a Turkish employee at the U.S. Consulate in Istanbul, Metin Topuz, triggered the latest deterioration, with the U.S. Embassy in Ankara saying on Oct. 8 that it would stop issuing visas for tourism, medical treatment, business, temporary work or study. Turkey retaliated the U.S. move, suspending visa services for American citizens.


http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/us-mission-in-turkey-says-visas-processed-on-limited-basis-122017
 
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We stand 100% with Turkey on this matter

Sometimes it is best to take a break for 5-10 years till political climate changes no point to invite folks who drop weapons for Terrorist from C130

Refugee crisis created in Syria 100% US fault from their weaponization of rouge group

Only people who should be allowed in people over age 60 coming in for cultural exchange
 
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