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Already did. I see no problem both agreeing with its author and holding to my own analysis.
Can you give a short summary, i really dont feel like listening a 4h discussion.Yesterday Ahmet Hakan made an excellent program with 6 former army personnel whom jailed at the time from phony cases like Balyoz, Poyrazköy, etc...
Can you give a short summary, i really dont feel like listening a 4h discussion.
69 tane 1 dolar parası mı? Bu adam polise ne dedi acaba ifade de??:''biriktirecem dayı o yüzden getirdim, hani darbe olacagını tahmin ettim(!!) dedim ki dolar artacak o yüzden saklıyordum...'' beyinlerini si.... salakları.
There is no summary, they talked about lots of different things.... I watched it from tv when it was airing.
You might wanna watch it 20-30 minutes per day....
Okay, i wrote this on our telegram group but i will post it also here so everybody can read.
The story of "1 Dollar"
On many Gülenists One dollar banknotes have been found, and on some high level Gülenists, 1 dollar coins have been found. All banknotes had serials numbers starting with "F", "T", "H"
- F found on high level Gülenists
- T found on mid level Gülenists
- H found on low level Gülenists
- 1 dollar coins found on top level Gülenists.
You know we have a tradition, like when entering university exams, our elders would pray and blow on rice...then they put in your pocket, to bring good luck.
It's being said that Gülen also prayed and blowed on these banknotes and coins.
Ahmet Hakan, brought 6 ex-soldiers whom convicted by Gülenists at the past.
One of the Admiral told a story.
He said "When i was in US, for traning, in the evening, we went to a bar with my American colleagues. One of them throw, a one dollar coin in front of me and said that i have to buy them drink"
Our Admiral says why ?
Marine explains like this;
If some one don't have a one dollar coin, he has to buy the drinks.
Our Admiral asks the importance of one dollar coin.
Marine explains.
One dollar coin given to marines, there are 3 reasons.
1-) It shows our loyalty to marine corps.
2-) It shows that our loyalty to USA and to it's government.
3-) It means that we have accomplished important mission or missions for the USA.
Also, they searched the house of the one of the pilot (Highest Ranked Couping General's son in law) and they found 69, 1 Dollar banknotes...when asked, he replied "ıt's the change left from my visit to the USA, it's not like i'm distributing them to anyone".
69, 1 Dollar banknotes.
And also, there was a very funny moment. There was a ex-Military soldier from Gata. You know GATA is hospital and he worked there as a Scientist. The guy is like you know, he is not "Çakal", when you look at him that you will say that he is will be the last person that will hand in funny business.
Gülenists accused him of spying...and providing 3 three travesties for his contacts.
From laughing tears kept coming for 10 minutes.
Hmm sounds a little bit over the top but lets see.The story of "1 Dollar"
On many Gülenists One dollar banknotes have been found, and on some high level Gülenists, 1 dollar coins have been found. All banknotes had serials numbers starting with "F", "T", "H"
- F found on high level Gülenists
- T found on mid level Gülenists
- H found on low level Gülenists
- 1 dollar coins found on top level Gülenists.
You know we have a tradition, like when entering university exams, our elders would pray and blow on rice...then they put in your pocket, to bring good luck.
It's being said that Gülen also prayed and blowed on these banknotes and coins.
Ahmet Hakan, brought 6 ex-soldiers whom convicted by Gülenists at the past.
One of the Admiral told a story.
He said "When i was in US, for traning, in the evening, we went to a bar with my American colleagues. One of them throw, a one dollar coin in front of me and said that i have to buy them drink"
Our Admiral says why ?
Marine explains like this;
If some one don't have a one dollar coin, he has to buy the drinks.
Our Admiral asks the importance of one dollar coin.
Marine explains.
One dollar coin given to marines, there are 3 reasons.
1-) It shows our loyalty to marine corps.
2-) It shows that our loyalty to USA and to it's government.
3-) It means that we have accomplished important mission or missions for the USA.
Whut? what do you mean by providing 3 trannies?And i also, there was a very funny moment. There was a ex-Military soldier from Gata. You know GATA is hospital and he worked there as a Scientist. The guy is like you know, he is not "Çakal", when you look at him that you will say that he is will be the last person that will hand in funny business.
Gülenists accused him of spying...and providing 3 three travesties for his contacts.
From laughing tears kept coming for 10 minutes.
He says it's the change left from his trips to US.....and he kept them as souvenir.69 tane 1 dolar parası mı? Bu adam polise ne dedi acaba ifade de??:''biriktirecem dayı o yüzden getirdim, hani darbe olacagını tahmin ettim(!!) dedim ki dolar artacak o yüzden saklıyordum...'' beyinlerini si.... salakları.
Neyse YAŞ olsun da görecegiz nereye kadar uzuyorlar
Well, i hate conspiracy theories....i think the most simple explanation is the true explanation.Hmm sounds a little bit over the top but lets see.
Think of it like bribing.Whut? what do you mean by providing 3 trannies?
Yeah i read about the dollar notes found but not on enough people so we can say theres a system behind it, lets see what comes out.Now, you can interpret this story in any way that you want....but it's true that 1 Dollar banknotes and 1 Dollar coins found on Gülenists,(Soldiers, Judges, Police, Journalists, etc...)
Morons should have sent real women, if they sent me 3 trannies i would expose all their network the next day just out of grudge.Think of it like bribing.
He says it's the change left from his trips to US.....and he kept them as souvenir.
69, 1 $.......come on......It's obvious that he was distributing those to Gülen followers..
Also, all 6 had no doubts that US is behind Gülenists.....if they are aware there is no way that government isn't aware.... I'm curious that how will government will position itself against US.
Also, i found it interesting that Erdoğan will make it's first formal visit after the coup to Russia. And if you recall after all major military incidents, our officials would go to Brussels and debrief NATO over the incident (Syria downing our Jet, Downing of the Russian Jet, etc....) But this time, i mean this is the most serious military matter after the Invasion of Cyprus....no debrief.
Well, i hate conspiracy theories....i think the most simple explanation is the true explanation.
Now, you can interpret this story in any way that you want....but it's true that 1 Dollar banknotes and 1 Dollar coins found on Gülenists,(Soldiers, Judges, Police, Journalists, etc...)
Think of it like bribing.
Ah excellent. I bet it's illegal in the US to try and violently overthrow a democratically elected government using a shady religious sect that has infiltrated the organs of the state and military over the past 40 years. This means we gonna get the Fetomon!Reviewing the U.S.-Turkey extradition treaty. Article 7, paragraph 1(c) is the sticking point:
(1) A request relating to a person being prosecuted or who is charged with an offense, and who has yet to be convicted, shall be accompanied by the following:
(a) A warrant of arrest issued by a judge or other competent judicial officer;
(b) A statement of the facts of the case;
(c) Such evidence as, according to the laws of the Requested Party, would justify arrest and committal for trial of the person sought if the offense had been committed in the territory of the Requested Party;
(d) Evidence proving that the person sought is the person to whom the warrant of arrest refers, including information, if available, on nationality; and
(e) The text of the applicable laws of the Requesting Party, including the law defining the offense, the law prescribing the punishment for the offense, and the law relating to the limitation of legal proceedings or the enforcement of the penalty for the offense.
Until Turkey provides the necessary information extradition cannot proceed, even if the U.S. government wants to kick Gulen out. Under Article 3, paragraph 1(a), an attempt against the Head of Government is explicitly not considered an excusable "offense of a political character". That includes conspiracy.
However, to prove conspiracy in the U.S. you need to proof of an agreement between the parties to commit a crime. One person claiming he conspired with somebody else does not itself constitute proof under U.S. law. There has to be evidence of two-way communication: a series of letters, wiretap records, etc. As far as I know, Turkey hasn't yet provided the U.S. with any of these.
Reviewing the U.S.-Turkey extradition treaty. Article 7, paragraph 1(c) is the sticking point:
(1) A request relating to a person being prosecuted or who is charged with an offense, and who has yet to be convicted, shall be accompanied by the following:
(a) A warrant of arrest issued by a judge or other competent judicial officer;
(b) A statement of the facts of the case;
(c) Such evidence as, according to the laws of the Requested Party, would justify arrest and committal for trial of the person sought if the offense had been committed in the territory of the Requested Party;
(d) Evidence proving that the person sought is the person to whom the warrant of arrest refers, including information, if available, on nationality; and
(e) The text of the applicable laws of the Requesting Party, including the law defining the offense, the law prescribing the punishment for the offense, and the law relating to the limitation of legal proceedings or the enforcement of the penalty for the offense.
Until Turkey provides the necessary information extradition cannot proceed, even if the U.S. government wants to kick Gulen out. Under Article 3, paragraph 1(a), an attempt against the Head of Government is explicitly not considered an excusable "offense of a political character". That includes conspiracy.
However, to prove conspiracy in the U.S. you need to proof of an agreement between the parties to commit a crime. One person claiming he conspired with somebody else does not itself constitute proof under U.S. law. There has to be evidence of two-way communication: a series of letters, wiretap records, etc. As far as I know, Turkey hasn't yet provided the U.S. with any of these.
Also, i found it interesting that Erdoğan will make it's first formal visit after the coup to Russia. And if you recall after all major military incidents, our officials would go to Brussels and debrief NATO over the incident (Syria downing our Jet, Downing of the Russian Jet, etc....) But this time, i mean this is the most serious military matter after the Invasion of Cyprus....no debrief.
Didn't read the rest of the article when i saw this;
Even if "Gulen is a CIA asset" I can't see how the U.S. government can prevent his extradition under the terms of the U.S.-Turkey treaty.I don't know what evidence has been sent by our officials, but i assume that they also knew of this treaty and acted in according to it. However, i strongly believe that Gulen is a CIA asset. US is not going to hand him over...